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Wow, ESPN article disses on Shaq! (ripped from fark.com)
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Have you ever listened to this guy talk? He'd never be that eloquent, and I guarantee he didn't learn anything about Darwinism in college. He spent most of his time learning how being a big basketball star could get you a degree at a state university no matter how incredibly stupid you are.
this guy's obviously got some problems. why is he comparing shaq's numbers to a 6' point guard? this guy is comparing apples and oranges.
does shaq have a negative assist-turnover ratio? NO (not possible to have a negative ratio)
shaq has averaged more assists than turnovers since 1994, which is great for a center. tim duncan has barely done it once in his five seasons. dikembe mutombo has never done it.
if you look at shaq's numbers they are very similar to wilt chamberlain's.
http://hometown.aol.com/bradleyrd/wilt.html
wilt averaged 51% from the line for his career, and even had an awesome 38% one season.
and no, it's not just shaq that's traveling (almost every player) and bumping and elbowing (ala karl malone), but it's just easy to pick on him.
i bet this guy has a photoshopped image of sacramento as 2002 nba champions and is fapping off to it right now.
does shaq have a negative assist-turnover ratio? NO (not possible to have a negative ratio)
shaq has averaged more assists than turnovers since 1994, which is great for a center. tim duncan has barely done it once in his five seasons. dikembe mutombo has never done it.
if you look at shaq's numbers they are very similar to wilt chamberlain's.
http://hometown.aol.com/bradleyrd/wilt.html
wilt averaged 51% from the line for his career, and even had an awesome 38% one season.
and no, it's not just shaq that's traveling (almost every player) and bumping and elbowing (ala karl malone), but it's just easy to pick on him.
i bet this guy has a photoshopped image of sacramento as 2002 nba champions and is fapping off to it right now.
iamme
Lifer
BWAAHAHAHAHA.....ROFL........ 😀
Hypocrites! If everyone one of you were a GM in the NBA, you'd be signing away your first born to have Shaq on your team!
Everyone dissed Shaq because he couldn't hit a free throw. Now he hits free throws, so you have to diss him because he's too tall and big? LOL!
Hypocrites! If everyone one of you were a GM in the NBA, you'd be signing away your first born to have Shaq on your team!
Everyone dissed Shaq because he couldn't hit a free throw. Now he hits free throws, so you have to diss him because he's too tall and big? LOL!
Originally posted by: AGodspeed
Divac! LMAO! Oh yeah, he's quick alright, quick to flop whenever someone gets near him.
And don't get me started about your "Shaq can't lose weight because his big toe is hurt" comment
Yeah, sure, because I know it would be such a great response.
Duncan is a great player; faster than Shaq? Debatable.
Robinson? Do you watch NBA basketball? Have you never watched Shaq guard Robinson? Have you ever seen Robinson get past Shaq in the lane for a basket? Basically never. Have you ever seen Shaq rape Robinson in the lane dunk after dunk? Do I need to answer this?
Garnett isn?t really a center, but since he can play the role, I would say that he might be faster than Shaq, but, like Robinson, he hasn?t proven it.
I hope you?re joking about Elton Brand?
LMAO, Dale Davis. Puhlease.
Mutumbo is a great defender and is quick; again, it?s debatable. I?d still go with Shaq. I?m sure you watched the finals last year?
Mourning has always been good, but I barely watched him this season (wasn?t he injured?).
are you equating footwork as to who can push around the most? then yeah, Shaq would be the best.
No. Shaq has the skill to get the open shots by simply moving around them. Is it a wonder Shaq gets blocked almost never, but that Shaq continually blocks other centers? No.
Sometimes I wonder if some of you guys have even watched a game in the last year.
Obviously you didn't watch NBA long enough, David Robinson is one of the fastest, most athletic center in the NBA before he hurt his back. And how about Olajuwon and his "Dream Shake"?
Originally posted by: jbahseng
Originally posted by: AGodspeed
Divac! LMAO! Oh yeah, he's quick alright, quick to flop whenever someone gets near him.
And don't get me started about your "Shaq can't lose weight because his big toe is hurt" comment
Yeah, sure, because I know it would be such a great response.
Duncan is a great player; faster than Shaq? Debatable.
Robinson? Do you watch NBA basketball? Have you never watched Shaq guard Robinson? Have you ever seen Robinson get past Shaq in the lane for a basket? Basically never. Have you ever seen Shaq rape Robinson in the lane dunk after dunk? Do I need to answer this?
Garnett isn?t really a center, but since he can play the role, I would say that he might be faster than Shaq, but, like Robinson, he hasn?t proven it.
I hope you?re joking about Elton Brand?
LMAO, Dale Davis. Puhlease.
Mutumbo is a great defender and is quick; again, it?s debatable. I?d still go with Shaq. I?m sure you watched the finals last year?
Mourning has always been good, but I barely watched him this season (wasn?t he injured?).
are you equating footwork as to who can push around the most? then yeah, Shaq would be the best.
No. Shaq has the skill to get the open shots by simply moving around them. Is it a wonder Shaq gets blocked almost never, but that Shaq continually blocks other centers? No.
Sometimes I wonder if some of you guys have even watched a game in the last year.
Obviously you didn't watch NBA long enough, David Robinson is one of the fastest, most athletic center in the NBA before he hurt his back. And how about Olajuwon and his "Dream Shake"?
you got it wrong man... David Robinson WAS one of the fastER, MORE athletic centers in the NBA... before he got old and injured... even then, he was more of a center who faced up and took the jumper... tell me, how much quickness and athleticism do you need to put a jump shot over other people when you're over 7'...?
yes, Olajawon was THE SH!T. If shaq had the moves that he had, it would be insane... but the fact is, that that's a different era in the NBA... the dream beat shaq when his game consisted of dunks... now shaq has his jump-hook, his turnaround j, and is quicker to jump than a LOT of centers out there when it comes to getting offensive re's too... if you had olajawon at his prime and shaq rite now, it'd still be close... why? because shaq is more physically gifted and if you ever watch olajawon's game, he isn't that fast or quick... he just has REALLY good ball fakes... he'd fake you out of your own shorts before he put up the shots... but, olajawon has a quick drop step.... wait, shaq does too... but shaq is a wall when it comes to defense...
bottom line : why y'all gotta playa hate?
In all professional games, there are players, who excel, in specific roles that people do or do not like. Take a major league pitcher, like Roger Clemens and look at how he didn't even give a good pitch to Barry Bonds (and beaned him nonetheless)
Would you put ahead all the mistakes and faults of an individual player over their accomplishments as a teammate, or their power in their position?
I think not.
Shaq is definitely not the best free throw shooter, cannot handle the ball worth a darn, and definitely has no hope of making a 3 pointer. But what CAN Shaq DO? He can purely dominate in the paint! He admits that, he knows what he can do and he does it all very, VERY well. We can see that his size, speed and knowledge of basketball is has made him a great player in the history of the game. Sure, he can't handle the ball or shoot it nearly as well as other centers of the game, but SO what? Michael Jordan couldn't rebound like Shaq, does that make him a bad player?
I think not.
In the end, we can all admit that Shaq has made the Lakers where they are right now and without him, Phil Jackson would have a much more difficult time in bringing home a three peat.
To all the haters of Shaq and his "game": EAT IT (until he leaves B-ball)! Go ahead and hate the guy that seemingly gets the "right" calls (hrm. Jordan got those calls, so did Magic as well). Be upset when he eats your favorite teams center/power forward's alive. He's the best there is right now and until he leaves or someone else comes around that'll stop him, Shaq will wearing more and more gold on his hands.
vash
Would you put ahead all the mistakes and faults of an individual player over their accomplishments as a teammate, or their power in their position?
I think not.
Shaq is definitely not the best free throw shooter, cannot handle the ball worth a darn, and definitely has no hope of making a 3 pointer. But what CAN Shaq DO? He can purely dominate in the paint! He admits that, he knows what he can do and he does it all very, VERY well. We can see that his size, speed and knowledge of basketball is has made him a great player in the history of the game. Sure, he can't handle the ball or shoot it nearly as well as other centers of the game, but SO what? Michael Jordan couldn't rebound like Shaq, does that make him a bad player?
I think not.
In the end, we can all admit that Shaq has made the Lakers where they are right now and without him, Phil Jackson would have a much more difficult time in bringing home a three peat.
To all the haters of Shaq and his "game": EAT IT (until he leaves B-ball)! Go ahead and hate the guy that seemingly gets the "right" calls (hrm. Jordan got those calls, so did Magic as well). Be upset when he eats your favorite teams center/power forward's alive. He's the best there is right now and until he leaves or someone else comes around that'll stop him, Shaq will wearing more and more gold on his hands.
vash
thawolfman
Lifer
I read that at work...good stuff 🙂
"tell me, how much quickness and athleticism do you need to put a jump shot over other people when you're over 7'...?"
You need athleticism to run the floor, and Robinson can runs the floor like a guard before he injured. How often did you see Shaq run back and defence when the opponents have a fast break?
Olajuwon "just has REALLY good ball fakes?" what are you smoking? You don't make shot with only ball fakes, you also need GREAT FOOTWORK to shake off your defender, that why it call DREAM SHAKE and not DREAM FAKE. Yes, Shaq is a wall when it come to defence, but don't forget Olajuwon is current NBA career block leader and .
"bottom line : why y'all gotta playa hate?"
I didn't say Shaq is not good enough, i just stating the facts, Shaq is the strongest, but not the fastest. BTW, why do you have to hate Olajuwon?
hahaha, robinson runs the floor like a guard... hehehe, ok... if you REALLY believe that... shaq runs the floor occasionally too... but don't forget, he's got a bad set of wheels... how much mobility would YOU have if you had an arthritic big toe, and at times two sprained ankles...?
how do i hate olajuwon? i said he's the SH!T!!!... yes, i did forget about the footwork, but shaq has good footwork too, maybe not as good as the dream, but he doesn't need it as much with his strength... Olajawon is the current block leader... but wait until some other people get to the point in their career which olajawon is... the dream has a LOT of years under his belt... and btw, to those who say shaq is always charging with his shoulder and stuff... he's just leaning and bumping just like all other post up players do... so you want to punish him for being bigger than everyone? i mean they already let everyone put two hands and forearms all over his back, now you want to punish him for being bigger and stronger than other peple?
the point of the article was not to say that shaq isn't far and away the most effective center in the league.
his point is that the game, involving shaq, is ugly and less fun to watch.
and when it comes down to it, none of these professional sports figures are anything more than entertainers.
The number of people watching NBA games has been on the decline the last few years. Is it because shaq makes the game ugly? I don't know. But I don't doubt that it would be a lot more interesting to watch without him in there.
edit: of course who in their right mind is going to give up however many million a year just because he makes everybody outside of LA unhappy? i mean all of the important people are in LA, right?
his point is that the game, involving shaq, is ugly and less fun to watch.
and when it comes down to it, none of these professional sports figures are anything more than entertainers.
The number of people watching NBA games has been on the decline the last few years. Is it because shaq makes the game ugly? I don't know. But I don't doubt that it would be a lot more interesting to watch without him in there.
edit: of course who in their right mind is going to give up however many million a year just because he makes everybody outside of LA unhappy? i mean all of the important people are in LA, right?
FrontlineWarrior
Diamond Member
i love it when little kids cry about the playground bully on their little internet columns. wha wha wha shaq is too big, life isn't fair i have to freelance at espn.com boo focking hoo
iamme
Lifer
Originally posted by: josphII
take away shaq's skills and you would be left with mutombo. anybody who has ever watched that guy attempt a shot knows what im talking about. it looks like a 3 legged giraff trying to do a summersalt.
but mutombo has real skills and shaq is just big
HAHAHAHA.........Now, someone should write an article on how FUUUUUUGLY Mutombo's offensive game is
To say Shaq doesn't have skill is stupid. But his game does make the game uninteresting as others have said. Without another center being able to guard him effectively, its a cake walk for him. There's just no challenge. As soon as he gets the ball down low, you know its done. I would be watching a bit more if there were centers who took it to Shaq, and maybe even blocked Shaq's monster dunks down low instead of trying to grab him or fall out of the way.
The other reason Shaq makes the game boring is because of his intimidation factor. Teams don't take it to Shaq enough. The Kings tried to do it, and they were able to succeed on some level by making Shaq defend the ball. Vlade was posting up against Shaq down low and was successful on occasion. Webber would drive to the basket to draw shaq out and dish it off. Even Bibby took it to shaq, and ended up drawing fouls on him. If teams did more of this, rather than let Shaq do what he does without being impeded, then yeah, people aren't going to watch that.
The low finals ratings i wouldn't say should be contributed to shaq. Throughout the whole year, the media has hyped the Western Conference finals as the REAL championship game, and we witnessed it with the great Kings/Lakers series. The media made the actual NBA finals just a mere afterthought. And after New Jersey not being able to put up a fight in game 1, it was pretty much downhill for the ratings from there,
The other reason Shaq makes the game boring is because of his intimidation factor. Teams don't take it to Shaq enough. The Kings tried to do it, and they were able to succeed on some level by making Shaq defend the ball. Vlade was posting up against Shaq down low and was successful on occasion. Webber would drive to the basket to draw shaq out and dish it off. Even Bibby took it to shaq, and ended up drawing fouls on him. If teams did more of this, rather than let Shaq do what he does without being impeded, then yeah, people aren't going to watch that.
The low finals ratings i wouldn't say should be contributed to shaq. Throughout the whole year, the media has hyped the Western Conference finals as the REAL championship game, and we witnessed it with the great Kings/Lakers series. The media made the actual NBA finals just a mere afterthought. And after New Jersey not being able to put up a fight in game 1, it was pretty much downhill for the ratings from there,
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