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ponyo

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Will it go up for the people who bought in when it was at 20k?
My guess is we'll see greater than $20k before we see $5k again. Under $10k should freak some of the late buyers and shake them out. I would be heavy buyer at around $8,500 or so. If $11k doesn't hold and then $10k for nice round number, we could definitely see $8.5k. I'm still working on getting my account funded so hopefully I will be in position to buy in soon if it happens.
 

KIAman

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IMO this time it counts. All the other massive drops that people like to talk about (Don't worry it does this 3x a year it will be fine!) happened in relative obscurity. It mattered only to a tiny minority of people, and only a slightly larger minority was vaguely aware of it due to proximity (tech forums, etc). The vast majority of the world didn't even know it existed, much less care about it. This time it's for real, there's a ticker on CNBC. Everybody in the developed world is aware of it, all the susceptible people have had their shot. I don't see how it possibly comes back to any sort of relevance if it does go to (or near) nothing.

Viper GTS

At this point, everything is pure speculation. I really hope people don't read this thread as any indication on what to do with their hard earned money. It is MUCH easier for me to be relaxed about the dip because this is all play money and I have already pulled out the initial investment plus extras. All of my opinions are pure speculation. Given the context of where I am coming from, here are my thoughts.

Almost every crypto has lost 20-25% of their value recently. On the surface, this is scary as hell for most people who are not used to such fast drops. If cryptos were stocks or home values or other types of assets that most people "understand" they would be devastated if they were affected and it's a completely understandable reaction. If they had the foresight to expand the timeline, they would see that overall the value has been rising year by year. But besides the point, I really do understand why people are scared and pull out if they had investments.

Crypto especially has been surging these past few months, huge increases of value to most crypto. Crypto also has had a surge of visibility because of this unnatural increase in value and people want their piece of the pie. It was a combination of greed and high risk tolerance that led the normal people to buy crypto riding the wave, without really doing a ton of research or much caring about what the point of it even was. These people I consider weak hands. And unfortunately, there are people who were burned by buying close to or at the ATH and having the values drop almost as rapidly as they went up. These "weak hands" do what they need to do to survive and they pull out trying to recover as much as they can, further dropping crypto values.

Along with all the news about China and Korea and nobody really knows what's going on. Will they ban? Will they regulate? Will they try to control? For people who only know the surface only get the quick info and this further drops confidence and consequently lead to sell off.

This pattern has happened many times in crypto's history. And as more and more people are aware of crypto, the highs get higher and the drops get more scary. It will start with a trickle, China and Korea might make an announcement to clear the air or whales want to make money off buying the dip or exchanges start opening or coins go public or a technology finally gets implemented or whatever reason but as the trend starts going up again, so will other new "weak hands" or risk takers start buying hoping to ride the wave again and we'll be at this pattern once again. They will go to a new ATH then a pullback, following this pattern over and over again.
 
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Capt Caveman

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Saw an MSI Gaming X RX 580 8GB was for sale, for $345, and an MSI RX 570 4GB Armor card for $275. Went to bank, deposited some cash, and then, came back, and they were both sold out, and showing as around $700 from third-parties scalpers.

Thankfully, Newegg had a fresh listing for an RX 570 Gaming X 8GB, so I snagged that one for $305. I'm a big fan of the MSI "Gaming" / "Gaming X" cards, the fans are huge and so is the heatsink, they don't overheat like my XFX cards. (*) Mine XFX 570 may have defective heatpipes.

You keep your money at home? Stuffed in your mattress?
 

njdevilsfan87

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New paradigm at $20K, a number far higher than anyone probably ever imagined in early 2017. Return to normal at $17K. Now at $12K, the market is in a fear phase. I'm not comfortable enough to play this. A lot of people mistake fear, for being a good time to buy... there is still a potential capitulation and despair phase to follow.
 
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Yakk

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New paradigm at $20K, a number far higher than anyone probably ever imagined in early 2017. Return to normal at $17K. Now at $12K, the market is in a fear phase. I'm not comfortable enough to play this. A lot of people mistake fear, for being a good time to buy... there is still a potential capitulation and despair phase to follow.

Still a lot of activity, probably not at capitulation yet.
 

momeNt

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Setting up some coinbase price alerts to go heavy into ETH when the spiral stops. What do you guys think? is $350 too aggressive? That was about the June and August peaks.
 

Ns1

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Setting up some coinbase price alerts to go heavy into ETH when the spiral stops. What do you guys think? is $350 too aggressive? That was about the June and August peaks.

this (appears to be) the greater fool theory playing itself out, except the greater fools don't seem to post about their losses on the internet.
 

Red Storm

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Setting up some coinbase price alerts to go heavy into ETH when the spiral stops. What do you guys think? is $350 too aggressive? That was about the June and August peaks.
In my experience every single crypto price tracking app I've used is late with their alerts. You're better off checking it manually.
 

ponyo

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It's starting to get interesting again. Bitcoin under $10k and Ether under $1k. This is pretty good flesh wound. I like the quickness of the drop.
 

ponyo

Lifer
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Happens every year BTW...
This mini-crash is not how bubbles end. This is buy the dip and sell the rip moment. You hold your nose and close your eyes and buy here to sell the rip later.
 

Yakk

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This mini-crash is not how bubbles end. This is buy the dip and sell the rip moment. You hold your nose and close your eyes and buy here to sell the rip later.

60%+ crashes happen often enough with BTC. With the amount of activity still going on looks like some whales are probably targeting a price to load up. Not much to do but wait and see now.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Setting up some coinbase price alerts to go heavy into ETH when the spiral stops. What do you guys think? is $350 too aggressive? That was about the June and August peaks.

I doubt it will go too far below $1k to be honest. There's already buy pressure stepping up to stymie the losses, at least on GDAX.

GDAX hit $854 earlier today, and it's back over $1k. So I think the worst of it may be over unless there's another hit.

this (appears to be) the greater fool theory playing itself out, except the greater fools don't seem to post about their losses on the internet.

For BTC and LTC? Sure. ETH has too much utility value for that scenario to apply. It's possible ETH is still overvalued for what it is, though. I think people outside the finance world are struggling to figure out how exactly to make smart contracts work economically.

If my account was funded, I would be buying this dip now.

Your post was spot-on, actually. Market is recovering already . . .

https://www.fool.com/taxes/2018/01/15/bad-news-republicans-just-closed-this-lucrative-cr.aspx

Whoo boy, CC traders potentially in for a world of hurt from the IRS...if they don't keep stellar records.

Capital-gains tax assessed EVERY TIME YOU SPEND A BITCOIN amount.

It's been like this since 2014. Some folks thought that like-kind could work, and I guess many people have been getting away with it (IRS would have problems tracking active trading). It's shurt down now, and it's all over the crypto subs.
 

Yakk

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Also went sub $10K ...

Back to where it was about 1 1/2 months ago. Some news outlets already had 10K as a "historic support level" :D

Internet time goes fast.
 

Zeze

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I'm still up +75%. My ATH is +120%.

VEN at $1.20 carrying me pretty hard. Also I got in more at $3.03. This dip can't touch my prices. This dip's lowest for VEN has been $4.25~.

I feel really bad for people who bought at the ATH around Dec 10-20~. They must be wrecking their brains.

Apparently this happens every year.
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destrekor

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Bitcoin Cryptocurrency


11,264.0 -2284.0 -16.86%

:eek:

Here comes the regular doomsayer with his "prophecy foretold" grandeur.

Not yet, bud, cool your jets. It may go down some more, could even stay at these levels or worse for a few months, but the market isn't down and out just yet, just down. The DOW is still very healthy so overall economic optimism is high, cryptos just have high volatility due to a weird combination of fairly high demand, big players, yet fewer big players and many small players actively trading at the same time. Unlike just about any other asset/market combination, cryptocurrencies trade globally on international exchanges, the entire globe at the same time. Total uptake is actually astonishingly low for such a global asset, but since every market is still nearly entirely independent at a regional scale -- even with international reach for the large exchanges -- huge fluctuations are common.
 

Yakk

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Absolutely can't wait for more decentralized exchanges to come fully online later this year with all the proper trading tools. THAT should be interesting indeed, and very needed at this point in crypto global scaling.