WOW -- A good deal of Respect for TOM'S is now GONE -- THG muscles out the competition at MML2 !!

[grant2]

Originally posted by: bocamojo
This is true. However, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof of libel is on THG.

Actually, in your country (USA) the burden of proof is on RYAN to justify his public statements.

The burden of proof is on THG only to prove that the statements were harmful, and then only to collect money.

 

[grant2]

Originally posted by: ketchup79
For those whose Internet Explorer no longer navigates to THG, here is all of what Omid had to say. Sounds like he sobered up for this one:
<snip>

What a whiner.

 

[dodecahedron]

i'm still wondering what the "recodings" amdmb claims to have. of AMD people and of THG people.
very interested...

 

[PrinceXizor]

Originally posted by: grant2

Originally posted by: bocamojo
This is true. However, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof of libel is on THG.

Actually, in your country (USA) the burden of proof is on RYAN to justify his public statements.

The burden of proof is on THG only to prove that the statements were harmful, and then only to collect money.

I'm sorry grant2, you are simply mistaken. If someone (in this case THG) accuses someone else (Ryan of AMDMB) of libel in the U.S.A. the burden of proof is upon the accuser (THG) to prove that the statments made are in fact libel (which is probably exactly what his lawyer told THG which is why they backed down).

Irving sued Lipstadt for libel in London, where defendants bear the burden of proof. In the U.S, plaintiffs must prove statements made about them are false, but British courts don?t honor the U.S. Constitution?s First Amendment, guaranteeing freedom of the press. A recent New York Times article says British libel laws make London ?a magnet for litigators.?

Quote from a story on the Irving vs. Lipstadt (about the Holocaust FYI) court fight in the UK.

Edit: Nice general article on the legal issues of libel and slander in the U.S. can be found here.

P-X

 

[grant2]

You're right, i jumped to conclusions, dumb me!! Sorry!

 

[PrinceXizor]

Originally posted by: grant2
You're right, i jumped to conclusions, dumb me!! Sorry!

No harm, no foul!
:beer:

P-X

 

[Ketchup]

Originally posted by: grant2

Originally posted by: ketchup79
For those whose Internet Explorer no longer navigates to THG, here is all of what Omid had to say. Sounds like he sobered up for this one:
<snip>

What a whiner.

Explanation please. Who are you calling a whiner, and why?

 

[Diable]

Originally posted by: Dulanic

Originally posted by: PrinceXizor
Some well said posts on a topic that could easily descend into the pits of a hellish flamewar.

While I applaud Kyle using his own resources to help Ryan, one has to wonder if Kyle doesn't have his own agenda (after doing some digging and finding a lot of HardOCP vs. THG spats).

P-X

I doubt there is any reasoning besides that Kyle does not want to see big dogs like THG just bully others. And I'm glad to see the support from Kyle, it gives me back alot of the respect I used to have for him. And the whole thing he's been pushing with benchmarks is a good thing too IMO.

I for one am inclined to beleive Ryan.... first he has no reason to lie.... mostly he would end up hurting himself. Also the one other online media was ASKED by THG/AMD to hold off on their coverage... they agreed, that does show me that THG was trying to get first rights to it. And look at moron Omid's responses.... their nothing but childish mud flinging, they don't even really defend themselves, they just show me that they are jerks enough to do it.

I doubt Kyle's jump to aid Ryan was to stop "big dogs like THG from bully others". He did it because he can't stand THG. It started when Tomas said tech sites shouldn't stop publishing in the wake of 9-11. For some reason this pissed Kyle off so he banned linking to THG in the HardOCP fourms (for almost a year) and banned a few people that spoke up for THG.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Diable
I doubt Kyle's jump to aid Ryan was to stop "big dogs like THG from bully others". He did it because he can't stand THG. It started when Tomas said tech sites shouldn't stop publishing in the wake of 9-11. For some reason this pissed Kyle off so he banned linking to THG in the HardOCP fourms (for almost a year) and banned a few people that spoke up for THG.

Kyle is not alone in that point of view. You should be smart enough to realize that saying that everybody should just forget 9/11 and go on with life as normal only a week or so after the tragedy is a plenty good enough reason to piss off the majority of your American audience. If the Europeans want to go on with life as normal, that's fine, but don't fvcking tell us as Americans what we have to do on our tech sites.

 

[grant2]

Originally posted by: ketchup79
Explanation please. Who are you calling a whiner, and why?

Omid, because he is! He wastes 873 words cutting down "Mr. Shroud." Oh ya, and some bitching about his lawyer being unable to extract blood from stone.

 

[Diable]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: Diable
I doubt Kyle's jump to aid Ryan was to stop "big dogs like THG from bully others". He did it because he can't stand THG. It started when Tomas said tech sites shouldn't stop publishing in the wake of 9-11. For some reason this pissed Kyle off so he banned linking to THG in the HardOCP fourms (for almost a year) and banned a few people that spoke up for THG.

Kyle is not alone in that point of view. You should be smart enough to realize that saying that everybody should just forget 9/11 and go on with life as normal only a week or so after the tragedy is a plenty good enough reason to piss off the majority of your American audience. If the Europeans want to go on with life as normal, that's fine, but don't fvcking tell us as Americans what we have to do on our tech sites.

Last time I checked I'm American and it didn't offen me at all. Tom is entitled to voice his opinion and Kyle is free to act like a ass.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Diable
Last time I checked I'm American and it didn't offen me at all. Tom is entitled to voice his opinion and Kyle is free to act like a ass.

Last time I checked, Kyle is entitled to voice his opinion as well, and Tom is free to act like an ass, too.

 

[Ketchup]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: Diable
Last time I checked I'm American and it didn't offen me at all. Tom is entitled to voice his opinion and Kyle is free to act like a ass.

Last time I checked, Kyle is entitled to voice his opinion as well, and Tom is free to act like an ass, too.

Last time I checked, they are both entitled to act like asses.