Wow! 72% of republican primary voters do not believe Obama born in America!!!

[dca221]

51% say he was not born in America, 21% are simply not sure.

I knew republicans had a lot of nut cases, I just didn't know they were the rule, rather than the exception!

So, if someone is just pure nuts, how are you supposed to "find common ground" and do something positive for the country with them?


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49554.html

51% of GOP voters: Obama foreign
By: Andy Barr
February 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST

In a shocking finding, more than half of GOP primary voters believe President Barack Obama was not born in the United States, according to a new poll.

Fifty-one percent of 400 Republican primary voters surveyed nationwide by Public Policy Polling said they ascribe to the controversial birther conspiracy theory — despite the fact that the state of Hawaii has posted Obama’s certificate of live birth.

Only 28 percent said they think the president was born in the United States — a constitutional requirement to be president. Twenty-one percent said they were “not sure.”

“Any thought that the birther theory has been put to rest can be thrown out the window,” said Dean Debnam, the president of the Democratic-leanign polling firm. “That view is still widely held in Republican circles.”

Even a number of Republicans officials have said they believe Obama was born in the US and have called for an end to the debate

Among those who do not believe Obama was born in the United States, Mike Huckabee is their first choice for president, followed by Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and then Mitt Romney.

Those who do think the president is a citizen favor Romney over the rest of the field. Huckabee, Palin and Ron Paul trail Romney among believers in Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

A CNN/Opinion Research poll in August showed that a quarter of Americans have doubts about Obama’s citizenship, with 11 percent saying the president was definitely not born in the United States.

The PPP poll was conducted Feb. 11-13 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points.

 

[boomerang]

This has been covered numerous time but I guess one more won't hurt.

Your math is faulty, but I do understand that to prove your point you must sensationalize the numbers. Still, it doesn't reflect well on you.

 

[theeedude]

That's why Obama is going to be reelected. GOP primary voters are going to pick an unelectable nutcase moron like themselves.

 

[bfdd]

I know people are going to say "zomg", but 55 million registered Republicans(last I remember looking), half of them believing Obama was born in another country would line up with those 11% of the population thinking the same numbers.



although i have said i believe sample sizes like 400 are far to small to make any sort of board generalization about peoples political feelings which are mostly based on illogical assumptions anyways.

 

[PeshakJang]

So a polling agency affiliated with the Democratic Party conducts a touch-tone poll of 400 people, and this is scientific?

LOLibs

 

[dca221]

This has been covered numerous time but I guess one more won't hurt.

Your math is faulty, but I do understand that to prove your point you must sensationalize the numbers. Still, it doesn't reflect well on you.

How is the math faulty? Only 28% believe he is born in the USA. 100-28=72, which is what had above, either outright do not believe or just cannot be sure with the evidence they have seen so far.

If there is anything sensational, it's that nearly three quarters of Republican primary voters do not believe the President is legitimate, see him as "other"

 

[dca221]

So a polling agency affiliated with the Democratic Party conducts a touch-tone poll of 400 people, and this is scientific?

LOLibs

Are you arguing the results are not true? poll after poll, regardless of who conducts it, shows similar results: vast majority of republicans do not believe Obama is a citizen. There are Republican congressmen (11 or so?) who themselves do not believe Obama is a citizen (or at least say so for political gain). Neither Boehner nor Cantor could answer the question clearly on Meet The Press within the last three weeks!

Yes, it must be the polling outfit, not batshit crazy Republicans or their agitators

 

[nageov3t]

is there any way to account for the percentage of people who would reflexively agree with anything negative said about Barack Obama even if they don't actually believe it themselves?

 

[bfdd]

How is the math faulty? Only 28% believe he is born in the USA. 100-28=72, which is what had above, either outright do not believe or just cannot be sure with the evidence they have seen so far.

If there is anything sensational, it's that nearly three quarters of Republican primary voters do not believe the President is legitimate, see him as "other"

Well counting "not sures" is kind of bogus. I'm willing to bet a few of those not sures were "i don't give a fuck".

 

[sandorski]

Hawaii could probably declare Independence and not a single Republican would be the wiser....

 

[boomerang]

How is the math faulty? Only 28% believe he is born in the USA. 100-28=72, which is what had above, either outright do not believe or just cannot be sure with the evidence they have seen so far.

If there is anything sensational, it's that nearly three quarters of Republican primary voters do not believe the President is legitimate, see him as "other"

Look at your title and then look at the numbers. You might want to quit while you're ahead because it appears our educational system has failed you. Keep going and it will be a certainty.

 

[Atreus21]

I know people are going to say "zomg", but 55 million registered Republicans(last I remember looking), half of them believing Obama was born in another country would line up with those 11% of the population thinking the same numbers.



although i have said i believe sample sizes like 400 are far to small to make any sort of board generalization about peoples political feelings which are mostly based on illogical assumptions anyways.

Sample size only affects the standard deviation I think. My question is not of the sample size, but if the sample was randomly drawn.

 

[Fern]

Gosh, this poll has been done so many times it's retarded.

Who cares what Repub believe, they're not going to vote for Obama anyway.

If they are gonna continue to poll about this, they should poll independants. They're who matters in an election.

Fern

 

[thegimp03]

Wow, another false and misleading thread title.

 

[bfdd]

Sample size only affects the standard deviation I think. My question is not of the sample size, but if the sample was randomly drawn.

I'm not talking about standard deviation in statistics. I'm strictly talking about politics being to convoluted of a subject for each individual person that political polls are fucking retarded.

 

[trenchfoot]

There's a difference between honestly not believing, and not wanting to believe out of hatred, spite, fear, ignorance, bigotry, political affiliation, etc.

The biggest problem with disliking Obama is that he is intelligent, well versed and an excellent orator. To dislike him, most of his detractors would have to rely on their baser instincts and rationalize their way into it.

Let's face it; internationally, he is well respected and regarded, he has a well groomed family who do not make spectacles of themselves which speaks to his success as a father and husband and he has all the charisma and charm one could hope for. So to actaully dislike him and marginalize his capabilities, his "enemies" have to make stuff up about him to make him become the demon they feel they need to fixate on so as to justify all their other uglier suppressed and/or hidden/unspoken feelings about him.

 

[bfdd]

There's a difference between honestly not believing, and not wanting to believe out of hatred, spite, fear, ignorance, bigotry, political affiliation, etc.

The biggest problem with disliking Obama is that he is intelligent, well versed and an excellent orator. To dislike him, most of his detractors would have to rely on their baser instincts and rationalize their way into it.

Let's face it; internationally, he is well respected and regarded, he has a well groomed family who do not make spectacles of themselves which speaks to his success as a father and husband and he has all the charisma and charm one could hope for. So to actaully dislike him and marginalize his capabilities, his "enemies" have to make stuff up about him to make him become the demon they feel they need to fixate on so as to justify all their other uglier suppressed and/or hidden/unspoken feelings about him.

they don't make spectacles out of themselves cause his daughters aren't even in middle school yet. i like and respect Obama well enough, i don't agree with him on every issue, but that is a stupid fucking reason to throw on there.

 

[Vette73]

That's why Obama is going to be reelected. GOP primary voters are going to pick an unelectable nutcase moron like themselves.

THIS!

The tea party cost the R the senate in the last election. They keep this up they will give Obama a 2nd term with ease.

Moderate voters hate BS like this and will label the person on the R side a nut like these.

 

[Infohawk]

This has been covered numerous time but I guess one more won't hurt.

It hurts. We've been over this people.

 

[OCGuy]

This forum is again hurt by the continuing policy of allowing commentary in thread titles for new articles.

 

[umbrella39]

So a polling agency affiliated with the Democratic Party conducts a touch-tone poll of 400 people, and this is scientific?

LOLibs

LOLShills

 

[fskimospy]

So a polling agency affiliated with the Democratic Party conducts a touch-tone poll of 400 people, and this is scientific?

LOLibs

What about it isn't scientific, and what's wrong with a sample size of 400, given the results?

 

[fskimospy]

Sample size only affects the standard deviation I think. My question is not of the sample size, but if the sample was randomly drawn.

Sample size affects the standard deviation, which in turn will affect the margin of error for each question. (4.9% here). Considering 51% of these guys are birthers according to this poll, if only 46% were it wouldn't really be considerably better.

The arguments against sample size that I continually see on here are just based in an ignorance of scientific polling and statistics. Given the results, 400 is plenty.

 

[Jhhnn]

Birthers, just one faction of the delusional repub base. Lots still believe that we really did find wmd's in Iraq, that the housing bubble wasn't caused by their heroes, and that trickle down economics actually work, too... among a broad range of other fallacies, as well...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Wow! 72% of republican primary voters do not believe Obama born in America

51% say he was not born in America

Math fail.