Wow! 46 Cooler Summary and Tests. The God of all Cooler reviews
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TimeKeeper
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Very interesting.... I have never seen so many HS before.
Even thought Zelman perform poorly, but it does has very interesting design.
Even thought Zelman perform poorly, but it does has very interesting design.
Damn that's a lot. I wish the OCZ Gladiator would have been included. I'm thinking of picking up one of them. Can anyone vouch for this HSF?
MadRat
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oh, sorry dude who posted this before me. i didnt see your thread...
as for OCZ:
watch yourself! why NOT to buy from OCZ: and yes, they use pencil. stupid people..
1)whats tech support? does that mean they have to answer the phone?
2)huh? processing time is a week?
3)whats a rma?
4)check their reseller ratings. they have been convicted of making up their own ratings to boost their score
5)an example of bad internet business
6)a shame to the subject of economics.
in fact, ocz has been banned from the hot deals forums.. the fact of ordering from then cancels the hot deal.
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as for OCZ:
watch yourself! why NOT to buy from OCZ: and yes, they use pencil. stupid people..
1)whats tech support? does that mean they have to answer the phone?
2)huh? processing time is a week?
3)whats a rma?
4)check their reseller ratings. they have been convicted of making up their own ratings to boost their score
5)an example of bad internet business
6)a shame to the subject of economics.
in fact, ocz has been banned from the hot deals forums.. the fact of ordering from then cancels the hot deal.
"One of them actually posts at hardforum, completely childish and unprofessional. He was calling them names and telling to f off and crap. Would stay away. "
--BOBBY RIBS - Platinum Member
"I received an email from them that claimed they were bought out by another company. I just glanced over it before I deleted it so I can't tell you what it was all about. "
--Red Dawn - Elite Member
I have heard nothing but bad things about this operation. In fact I have seen a few "employees" on this BBS, and their post habits reflect the immaturity of the storefront.
--John - Elite Member
Its a typical tomshardware cooling review: and like the rest, its generally crap. They only improvement is that they no longer insist on generating C/W numbers with socket-thermistor readings, but regardless the review is garbage.
mike
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seriously? oh. so i guess their test methods arent as good.. they use onboard temp montior? not external reader?
would anybody care to explain to the ignorant (like me) why the review is no good.
you can use the socket thermistor, which surely says something very worthwhile about sustained temperatures.
you can use the socket thermistor, which surely says something very worthwhile about sustained temperatures.
because, other than by reading my site in my sig:
A) SOcket-thermistors do not measure solely CPU temp. They measure socket-temp, socket-air temp, heat coming from the mb, and CPU pcb temp.
B) The results are almost often compressed versus core temps since it is a secondary heat pathway measurement, and one that is uninsulated
C) certain heatsinks designs tend to "manipulate" socket-thermistor readings for the "reading benefit". A popular example is the thermoengine, when looking at overclockers.com testing the Thermoengines end up wiht far lower socket-thermistor readings than other heatsinks, but has similiar heatsink-thermocouple readings as the others. Therefore, when relying on socket-thermistors you get a false sense of performance from this heatsink. And no, the thermoengine is not the only case where this happens.
D) Thing such as fans on the heatsink are blown out of proportion when using socket-thermistors. Again going to the Overclockers.com testing, when they switch fans, the socket-thermistor shows a good 33-50% more gain in performance than is actually realized by the heatsink-thermocouple. Again a side-effect of being a secondary heat pathway measurement nad one that does not measure solely CPU pcb temp.
The result of that is when upgrading a fan, you get more air blowing on the MB, which definately effects socket-thermistor readings, which is why you see more benefit than you would actually get in core temp.
E) Socket-thermistors, for these reasons and because they under-read core tmep and are useless for testing heatsink grease and can overexagerrate some heatsink and fan combo performances, are utterly useless for heatsink comparisons.
Mike
A) SOcket-thermistors do not measure solely CPU temp. They measure socket-temp, socket-air temp, heat coming from the mb, and CPU pcb temp.
B) The results are almost often compressed versus core temps since it is a secondary heat pathway measurement, and one that is uninsulated
C) certain heatsinks designs tend to "manipulate" socket-thermistor readings for the "reading benefit". A popular example is the thermoengine, when looking at overclockers.com testing the Thermoengines end up wiht far lower socket-thermistor readings than other heatsinks, but has similiar heatsink-thermocouple readings as the others. Therefore, when relying on socket-thermistors you get a false sense of performance from this heatsink. And no, the thermoengine is not the only case where this happens.
D) Thing such as fans on the heatsink are blown out of proportion when using socket-thermistors. Again going to the Overclockers.com testing, when they switch fans, the socket-thermistor shows a good 33-50% more gain in performance than is actually realized by the heatsink-thermocouple. Again a side-effect of being a secondary heat pathway measurement nad one that does not measure solely CPU pcb temp.
The result of that is when upgrading a fan, you get more air blowing on the MB, which definately effects socket-thermistor readings, which is why you see more benefit than you would actually get in core temp.
E) Socket-thermistors, for these reasons and because they under-read core tmep and are useless for testing heatsink grease and can overexagerrate some heatsink and fan combo performances, are utterly useless for heatsink comparisons.
Mike
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