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charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Crimson
I've seen wounded numbers posted all over the place.. its around 1100 or so if I recall correctly.. What next? Complaining about how the Administration is covering up how many bottles of water the troops are drinking? Everything is made out to be a conspiracy because it fits the agenda of getting a democrat into office.
Out of those 1100 I wonder how many are permantly disabled?

Time magazine reported that about 100 have had amputations.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: StormRider
To go off-topic for a bit -- but what is the definition of a "legal" war?

To define a war as "legal" or "illegal" doesn't make sense to me.


Originally posted by: GrGr
Crimson, what would you say if you lost three limbs, say both arms and a leg, in an illegal war.
Yeah I wouldn't say this was illegal..just ill advised. It also seems that the Administration or more to the point Rumsfield really screwed the pooch as far as underestimating the amount of troops and equipment needed to wage the ill advised war and it is costing unnessecary lives and causulties among our troops. If you are going to fight a war you do it right, fsck trying to do it on a tight budget.

And this is exactly why Bush can't win with you folks.. If they would have sent in twice as many troops, you would have complained about the waste of manpower and money.. not enough, you complain they should have sent in more.

In every thread about the cost of this war, you will complain its too high.. then turn around and say we are not spending enough. There is NOTHING Bush could have done to please you guys. If he WOULDN'T have gone into Iraq you would be complaining he wasn't doing enough on terrorism..

If he would have raised taxes to pay for the war, you would blast him for raising taxes in a recession. If he cuts them you blast him for lowering taxes..

There is no way to win.. EVERYTHING he does is wrong because you don't like him.. period.
Look puppet, I supported the Invasion and occupation when the Dub got up in front of the nation and told us that Iraq was an imminent danger to the US because of the WMDs he possessed, the Nuclear Program that he had under way and his alleged ties to Al Qaeda. Now that it seems he misrepresented the facts (serves me right for believing him) we are there and it would be totally foolish for us to just pull out. Unfortunately it seems the Rummy and his crew underestimated what it would take to do this job right. Of course he and Herr Wolfowitz aren't paying the price for their blunder, it's the American Soldier who is. Now for you to defend them (the Neo Cons) out of Partisan loyalty is not only ignorant but an insult to the brave American Soldiers who are risking their life and limbs because of their deceit.

I love America and even more I love our service people who willingly sacrifice themselves for our freedom and it really pisses me off that they are being hung out to dry for some sinister fsckheads agenda. WTF, if you are going to use them as pawns at least give them the funds and support so they can protect their ass.

You are the asshole who only cares about your party. I don't for one second believe that lowlife like you give a rats ass about the young men and women who are putting their lives on the line for your "Boys" great adventure. I also don't believe you when you say that you would be the first to sign up and defend our country. You are all talk and no action just like the Chicken Hawks we have running this war. Blowhard Cowards like you are a dime a Dozen. It's easy to pretend liuke you are Patriotic when it isn't your ass on the line!


 

cumhail

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So then you're saying that you don't accept the Bush administration...

cumhail

Originally posted by: Crimson

Woah there buddy. I refuse to accept ANY organization which consists of people not elected by U.S. citizens as part of the "Supreme Law of the Land".

 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: cumhail
So then you're saying that you don't accept the Bush administration...

cumhail

Originally posted by: Crimson

Woah there buddy. I refuse to accept ANY organization which consists of people not elected by U.S. citizens as part of the "Supreme Law of the Land".
Zing! That's going to leave a mark. :D
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Crimson[ ... ]
In every thread about the cost of this war, you will complain its too high.. then turn around and say we are not spending enough. There is NOTHING Bush could have done to please you guys. If he WOULDN'T have gone into Iraq you would be complaining he wasn't doing enough on terrorism..

If he would have raised taxes to pay for the war, you would blast him for raising taxes in a recession. If he cuts them you blast him for lowering taxes..

There is no way to win.. EVERYTHING he does is wrong because you don't like him.. period.
You're spreading those Bush-lite lies again. In spite of continuing innuendo to the contrary, Iraq had no connection with 9/11 and little connection to terrorism compared to other states in the region. I was OK with Bush's strikes in Afghanistan. I think he did the right thing ... at first. I didn't become so disgusted until he dropped the ball on terrorism and diverted our focus to Iraq. In my opinion, Bush took advantage of the public support re. 9/11 to further the imperialist agenda of his neo-fascist minions. In the process, he sold out America and failed his war on terrorism.

Your comments re. taxes are equally dishonest. First, we wouldn't need to raise taxes to pay for the invasion if he had stayed out of Iraq. While that is an inconvenient fact for the Bush apologists, it is accurate nonetheless. Second, cutting taxes is fine as long as you cut spending to match. The problem with Bush's cuts, aside from the fact they disproportionately benefit the wealthy, is that they are loans that our children will have to repay with interest. The cuts are imaginary. They are a cash advance on your U.S. TaxsterCard. They let Bush pander to people who can't do math while passing the bill to his successors.



 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: StormRider
To go off-topic for a bit -- but what is the definition of a "legal" war?

To define a war as "legal" or "illegal" doesn't make sense to me.


Originally posted by: GrGr
Crimson, what would you say if you lost three limbs, say both arms and a leg, in an illegal war.
Yeah I wouldn't say this was illegal..just ill advised. It also seems that the Administration or more to the point Rumsfield really screwed the pooch as far as underestimating the amount of troops and equipment needed to wage the ill advised war and it is costing unnessecary lives and causulties among our troops. If you are going to fight a war you do it right, fsck trying to do it on a tight budget.

And this is exactly why Bush can't win with you folks.. If they would have sent in twice as many troops, you would have complained about the waste of manpower and money.. not enough, you complain they should have sent in more.

In every thread about the cost of this war, you will complain its too high.. then turn around and say we are not spending enough. There is NOTHING Bush could have done to please you guys. If he WOULDN'T have gone into Iraq you would be complaining he wasn't doing enough on terrorism..

If he would have raised taxes to pay for the war, you would blast him for raising taxes in a recession. If he cuts them you blast him for lowering taxes..

There is no way to win.. EVERYTHING he does is wrong because you don't like him.. period.
Look puppet, I supported the Invasion and occupation when the Dub got up in front of the nation and told us that Iraq was an imminent danger to the US because of the WMDs he possessed, the Nuclear Program that he had under way and his alleged ties to Al Qaeda. Now that it seems he misrepresented the facts (serves me right for believing him) we are there and it would be totally foolish for us to just pull out. Unfortunately it seems the Rummy and his crew underestimated what it would take to do this job right. Of course he and Herr Wolfowitz aren't paying the price for their blunder, it's the American Soldier who is. Now for you to defend them (the Neo Cons) out of Partisan loyalty is not only ignorant but an insult to the brave American Soldiers who are risking their life and limbs because of their deceit.

I love America and even more I love our service people who willingly sacrifice themselves for our freedom and it really pisses me off that they are being hung out to dry for some sinister fsckheads agenda. WTF, if you are going to use them as pawns at least give them the funds and support so they can protect their ass.

You are the asshole who only cares about your party. I don't for one second believe that lowlife like you give a rats ass about the young men and women who are putting their lives on the line for your "Boys" great adventure. I also don't believe you when you say that you would be the first to sign up and defend our country. You are all talk and no action just like the Chicken Hawks we have running this war. Blowhard Cowards like you are a dime a Dozen. It's easy to pretend liuke you are Patriotic when it isn't your ass on the line!


i couldn't agree more and I'm not even american
 

Shelly21

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May 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: StormRider
To go off-topic for a bit -- but what is the definition of a "legal" war?

To define a war as "legal" or "illegal" doesn't make sense to me.


Originally posted by: GrGr
Crimson, what would you say if you lost three limbs, say both arms and a leg, in an illegal war.
Yeah I wouldn't say this was illegal..just ill advised. It also seems that the Administration or more to the point Rumsfield really screwed the pooch as far as underestimating the amount of troops and equipment needed to wage the ill advised war and it is costing unnessecary lives and causulties among our troops. If you are going to fight a war you do it right, fsck trying to do it on a tight budget.

And this is exactly why Bush can't win with you folks.. If they would have sent in twice as many troops, you would have complained about the waste of manpower and money.. not enough, you complain they should have sent in more.

In every thread about the cost of this war, you will complain its too high.. then turn around and say we are not spending enough. There is NOTHING Bush could have done to please you guys. If he WOULDN'T have gone into Iraq you would be complaining he wasn't doing enough on terrorism..

If he would have raised taxes to pay for the war, you would blast him for raising taxes in a recession. If he cuts them you blast him for lowering taxes..

There is no way to win.. EVERYTHING he does is wrong because you don't like him.. period.
Look puppet, I supported the Invasion and occupation when the Dub got up in front of the nation and told us that Iraq was an imminent danger to the US because of the WMDs he possessed, the Nuclear Program that he had under way and his alleged ties to Al Qaeda. Now that it seems he misrepresented the facts (serves me right for believing him) we are there and it would be totally foolish for us to just pull out. Unfortunately it seems the Rummy and his crew underestimated what it would take to do this job right. Of course he and Herr Wolfowitz aren't paying the price for their blunder, it's the American Soldier who is. Now for you to defend them (the Neo Cons) out of Partisan loyalty is not only ignorant but an insult to the brave American Soldiers who are risking their life and limbs because of their deceit.

I love America and even more I love our service people who willingly sacrifice themselves for our freedom and it really pisses me off that they are being hung out to dry for some sinister fsckheads agenda. WTF, if you are going to use them as pawns at least give them the funds and support so they can protect their ass.

You are the asshole who only cares about your party. I don't for one second believe that lowlife like you give a rats ass about the young men and women who are putting their lives on the line for your "Boys" great adventure. I also don't believe you when you say that you would be the first to sign up and defend our country. You are all talk and no action just like the Chicken Hawks we have running this war. Blowhard Cowards like you are a dime a Dozen. It's easy to pretend liuke you are Patriotic when it isn't your ass on the line!

You hit the nail right on.
 

smashp

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Aug 30, 2003
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: StormRider
To go off-topic for a bit -- but what is the definition of a "legal" war?

To define a war as "legal" or "illegal" doesn't make sense to me.


Originally posted by: GrGr
Crimson, what would you say if you lost three limbs, say both arms and a leg, in an illegal war.
Yeah I wouldn't say this was illegal..just ill advised. It also seems that the Administration or more to the point Rumsfield really screwed the pooch as far as underestimating the amount of troops and equipment needed to wage the ill advised war and it is costing unnessecary lives and causulties among our troops. If you are going to fight a war you do it right, fsck trying to do it on a tight budget.

And this is exactly why Bush can't win with you folks.. If they would have sent in twice as many troops, you would have complained about the waste of manpower and money.. not enough, you complain they should have sent in more.

In every thread about the cost of this war, you will complain its too high.. then turn around and say we are not spending enough. There is NOTHING Bush could have done to please you guys. If he WOULDN'T have gone into Iraq you would be complaining he wasn't doing enough on terrorism..

If he would have raised taxes to pay for the war, you would blast him for raising taxes in a recession. If he cuts them you blast him for lowering taxes..

There is no way to win.. EVERYTHING he does is wrong because you don't like him.. period.
Look puppet, I supported the Invasion and occupation when the Dub got up in front of the nation and told us that Iraq was an imminent danger to the US because of the WMDs he possessed, the Nuclear Program that he had under way and his alleged ties to Al Qaeda. Now that it seems he misrepresented the facts (serves me right for believing him) we are there and it would be totally foolish for us to just pull out. Unfortunately it seems the Rummy and his crew underestimated what it would take to do this job right. Of course he and Herr Wolfowitz aren't paying the price for their blunder, it's the American Soldier who is. Now for you to defend them (the Neo Cons) out of Partisan loyalty is not only ignorant but an insult to the brave American Soldiers who are risking their life and limbs because of their deceit.

I love America and even more I love our service people who willingly sacrifice themselves for our freedom and it really pisses me off that they are being hung out to dry for some sinister fsckheads agenda. WTF, if you are going to use them as pawns at least give them the funds and support so they can protect their ass.

You are the asshole who only cares about your party. I don't for one second believe that lowlife like you give a rats ass about the young men and women who are putting their lives on the line for your "Boys" great adventure. I also don't believe you when you say that you would be the first to sign up and defend our country. You are all talk and no action just like the Chicken Hawks we have running this war. Blowhard Cowards like you are a dime a Dozen. It's easy to pretend liuke you are Patriotic when it isn't your ass on the line!


You could be no closer to the truth with this statement.

 

Lucky

Lifer
Nov 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: StormRider
To go off-topic for a bit -- but what is the definition of a "legal" war?

To define a war as "legal" or "illegal" doesn't make sense to me.


Originally posted by: GrGr
Crimson, what would you say if you lost three limbs, say both arms and a leg, in an illegal war.
UN sanctioned or that the country was attacked first hand by another country

Or, violation of the peace agreement of the 1st Gulf war. Which iraq did.
 

Czar

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: StormRider
To go off-topic for a bit -- but what is the definition of a "legal" war?

To define a war as "legal" or "illegal" doesn't make sense to me.


Originally posted by: GrGr
Crimson, what would you say if you lost three limbs, say both arms and a leg, in an illegal war.
UN sanctioned or that the country was attacked first hand by another country

Or, violation of the peace agreement of the 1st Gulf war. Which iraq did.
which in my opinion should be decided by the UN since the agreement was not made between just the US and Iraq, wait 1-2 months and then there would have been a final report from the weapons inspectors about if Iraq was doing enough, buuuut noooo someone got impatient
 

Ballsack

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You are the asshole who only cares about your party. I don't for one second believe that lowlife like you give a rats ass about the young men and women who are putting their lives on the line for your "Boys" great adventure. I also don't believe you when you say that you would be the first to sign up and defend our country. You are all talk and no action just like the Chicken Hawks we have running this war. Blowhard Cowards like you are a dime a Dozen. It's easy to pretend liuke you are Patriotic when it isn't your ass on the line!

Red Dawn for president! :beer:

BALLSACK
 

maluckey

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The United States is not in violation of U.N. regulations, or international law. Iraq did not comply with the terms of surrender of the first Gulf War, therefore is in direct violation of the peace treaty. This invalidates the agreement, and also relieves the United States from it's obligation to honor the now dishonored treaty. After that point, the United States is free to return and pound them at will, until either bashing them to oblivion, or making them comply. The U.N. cannot declare war for the United States. Furthermore, the U.N. has no control over U.S. troops, at any time. That's U.S. policy. You all might know that if you actually did your reseach before spouting off.

As far as feeling for the disabled.....I'm a disabled veteran. I spent my time at Landstuhl, and Walter Reed. I also would return to the Army if permitted, and would fight with honor anywhere they sent me. Grow up and stop hating the United States. Iraq was wrong, and the U.N. is a toothless wonder with terrorist leaders on the Security Council. Without the United States, the U.N. is a joke, like the league of Nations was. They have never stopped a war, and have never intervened to remove an oppressive tyrant. What good are they?
 

Red Dawn

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Iraq was wrong
Fine, why didn't Bush just say that instead of listing Fallicies like Iraq was an imminent threat to the US because of WMDs, A Nuclear Weapons Program and ties to Al Queda? Let the Americans decide based on the facts, not lies. Doesn't the Administration trust the American Public to make the right choice?
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Iraq was wrong
Fine, why didn't Bush just say that instead of listing Fallicies like Iraq was an imminent threat to the US because of WMDs, A Nuclear Weapons Program and ties to Al Queda? Let the Americans decide based on the facts, not lies. Doesn't the Administration trust the American Public to make the right choice?


No i fell they dont trust the american public. I fell they hate the public actually. They see it as something that gets in the way of their agenda. They work for themselves, not us.

 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Crimson
I've seen wounded numbers posted all over the place.. its around 1100 or so if I recall correctly.. What next? Complaining about how the Administration is covering up how many bottles of water the troops are drinking? Everything is made out to be a conspiracy because it fits the agenda of getting a democrat into office.
Out of those 1100 I wonder how many are permantly disabled?


I wonder how many of those 1100 are in the military voluntarily. hmmmmmmm

I saw an interview with a guy that said he only joined the military for tuition, not to go to war.
:confused:
 

rahvin

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What bothers me most is that Bush has not attended a single funeral or visted any of the wounded soliders and expressed his condolences. He put those boys in danger and continues to get them killed and he doesn't have the balls to stand up and acknowledge the sacrifice in person to them and their families. He's the commander and chief of the millitary and his decision is getting people killed and wounded and he has a responsibility in my opinion to acknowledge the sacrifice of those he put in danger.
 

GrGr

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Timing, timing. Bush will be at funerals, along with the cameras, when the election is approaching as part of his reelection campaign. Expect him to utter more platitudes about sacrifices in the great war on terror. Bush is probably planning some double whammy effect with the funerals and the homecoming soldiers and the hero reception parades they will throw.
 

DoubleL

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Now this has to be the dumbest post I have seen yet, What do we do everytime a soldier gets wounded we say now this one was shot in the ass but now this one lost his finger, Oh Bush should go to every soldier and say and how are you doing today, I didn't have anything to do so I thought I would drop in, Now off to see some more, Yell right, A guy goes in the service but not to go to war, Well tough titty if you live we will send you to school, It is the service, You kill people and break things, That is what we do
 

Witling

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Crimson, you said "In an illegal war, I might be upset.. In THIS war, I would be proud that I defended my country." Alas, we're all sorry that you didn't get the chance. Do you know the Texas expression, "All hat and no cattle?"


 

VioletAura

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Timing, timing. Bush will be at funerals, along with the cameras, when the election is approaching as part of his reelection campaign. Expect him to utter more platitudes about sacrifices in the great war on terror. Bush is probably planning some double whammy effect with the funerals and the homecoming soldiers and the hero reception parades they will throw.

He will have a corner on the coffin and bodybag vote.