Wouldnt a well placed bullet in the head work better?

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Originally posted by: DeathBUA
This much is true concerning the brain stem but again...I've seen someone with MASSIVE brain stem damage(as in his brain stem is coming out the back of his head/neck region) and still have vital signs...the human body sucks in it's resistance to death sometimes unfortunately.

I'd assume that in most cases the trauma you're seeing is from either an accidental (innocent bystander) or unprofessional (the Ingram MAC-10 isn't very accurate to begin with, and firing it from a moving vehicle, with one hand, while holding it sideways, doesn't help that any) wound. With an execution - state, or hired killer - it'd be a quick, brutal, and precisely aimed blast.

- M4H
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: leftyman
why not a guillotine? Its fast and effective.

but its cruel and unusual


*Norm McDonald: "While it may be cruel, is it really all that unusual?"

agreed, though. Documented evidence that the head survives for ~1 minute after it is severed.
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: JS80
Public hangings > *

Yeah, I thought that hanging was supposed to be instantaneous...moreso than decapitation for some reason (i.e. lacking the whole alive for 2 minutes thing).
 

TanisHalfElven

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Originally posted by: dabuddha
How about a huge sledgehammer?

how aboutthat thing that slits the neak and beheads the person with a blade. probably only takes less than a second so no pain.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: 43st
Originally posted by: pontifex
i don't see how its possible to kill someone that isn't cruel.

The veterinary profession does it daily. Simply falling asleep is bar none the easiest way to die, animals have the added benefit of not seeing it coming. It's a shame modern medicine hasn't embraced it's usage as well, one would think it would be popular in a death & violence based culture such as ours.


ya, I sac tons of mice on a daily basis. cervical dislocation FTW!

however, I doubt that putting them down with CO2 is painless. You're basically suffocating them. If you've been deprived of oxygen before, it's not very fun...
 

buck

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I say do it the cheapest way, they are on deathrow for a reason, I couldn't care less if they suffer a little.
 

Farang

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There has to be an obvious explaination for why this is wouldn't work..

But we can heavily sedate people in surgery. So why can't we just knock the inmate out cold and then kill them the quickest way possible? Cutting the head off or something. I must be missing something really obvious because I don't understand what is wrong with this solution.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Flyback
You should instead ask whether or not it's constitutional for the state to take the life of a piece of garbage that doesnt think twice about taking the life of another person..

fixed.

Anyone that's convicted is guilty, huh? Do I need to Google "murder exonerated forensic evidence" for you or do you want to take back your foolish statement?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Farang
There has to be an obvious explaination for why this is wouldn't work..

But we can heavily sedate people in surgery. So why can't we just knock the inmate out cold and then kill them the quickest way possible? Cutting the head off or something. I must be missing something really obvious because I don't understand what is wrong with this solution.

I've always wondered that as well.
 

Kirby

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Carbonite freezing like Han. Then we could build schools and libraries with them.
 

Kwaipie

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It's always nice to see the good Christian ATOTers debate different methods of vengefully killing a fellow human being.

I suggest those of you so strongly in favor of the death penalty have a look at the list of other countries that still "solve" their problems this way. You're in good company.
 

mugs

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Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: Kwaipie
It's always nice to see the good Christian ATOTers debate different methods of vengefully killing a fellow human being.

I suggest those of you so strongly in favor of the death penalty have a look at the list of other countries that still "solve" their problems this way. You're in good company.

Eh, if you really want to bash the US you should bring up the fact that we execute juvenile offenders. There's only a few other countries in the world that do that (Nigeria, Iran and China I think)

I'm not opposed to the death penalty in principle, because those who kill deserve to die. I just don't think our criminal justice system can reliably ensure that only those who deserve to die are put to death.
 

illusion88

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Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Unfortunately a well placed bullet won't do it either...

I've seen patients with half their head gone and brain matter everywhere and they still will live for up to an hour...

To that end they need to use better drugs in the first place

A large dose of propofol or etomidate plus some vecuronium would be better for sedation and paralyzing.

But whatever...there truly isn't a humane way of killing someone.

If you shot them in the back of the head right at the brain stem it would work.
 

Farang

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To those advocating guillotine, taken from http://www.metaphor.dk/guillotine/Pages/Index.html

Read this report from 1905. The report is written by Dr Beaurieux, who under perfect circumstances experimented with the head of Languille, guillotined at 5.30 a.m. on June 28th, 1905

" I consider it essential for you to know that Languille displayed an extraordinary sang-froid and even courage from the moment when he was told, that his last hour had come, until the moment when he walked firmly to the scaffold. It may well be, in fact, that the conditions for observation, and consequently the phenomena, differ greatly according to whether the condemned persons retain all their sang-froid and are fully in control of themselves, or whether they are in such state of physical and mental prostration that they have to be carried to the place of execution, and are already half-dead, and as though paralysed by the appalling anguish of the fatal instant.
"The head fell on the severed surface of the neck and I did not therefor have to take it up in my hands, as all the newspapers have vied with each other in repeating; I was not obliged even to touch it in order to set it upright. Chance served me well for the observation, which I wished to make.

"Here, then, is what I was able to note immediately after the decapitation: the eyelids and lips of the guillotined man worked in irregularly rhythmic contractions for about five or six seconds. This phenomenon has been remarked by all those finding themselves in the same conditions as myself for observing what happens after the severing of the neck...

"I waited for several seconds. The spasmodic movements ceased. The face relaxed, the lids half closed on the eyeballs, leaving only the white of the conjunctiva visible, exactly as in the dying whom we have occasion to see every day in the exercise of our profession, or as in those just dead. It was then that I called in a strong, sharp voice: "Languille!" I saw the eyelids slowly lift up, without any spasmodic contractions ? I insist advisedly on this peculiarity ? but with an even movement, quite distinct and normal, such as happens in everyday life, with people awakened or torn from their thoughts.
Next Languille's eyes very definitely fixed themselves on mine and the pupils focused themselves. I was not, then, dealing with the sort of vague dull look without any expression, that can be observed any day in dying people to whom one speaks: I was dealing with undeniably living eyes which were looking at me. "After several seconds, the eyelids closed again, slowly and evenly, and the head took on the same appearance as it had had before I called out.

"It was at that point that I called out again and, once more, without any spasm, slowly, the eyelids lifted and undeniably living eyes fixed themselves on mine with perhaps even more penetration than the first time. The there was a further closing of the eyelids, but now less complete. I attempted the effect of a third call; there was no further movement ? and the eyes took on the glazed look which they have in the dead.

"I have just recounted to you with rigorous exactness what I was able to observe. The whole thing had lasted twenty-five to thirty seconds.
 

Canai

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I think they should have the option of going into a gladatorial type combat for pardons.

bring back blood sport!!!

:D
 

SlowSpyder

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Originally posted by: Kelemvor
It all comes down to the pansy attitude of not hurting the person that you can KILLING.

THe only reason they are being killed is because they did something so heinous that it was decided they have forfeited their right to live. Why on earth do people then care if they die a painless death or not. I'm sure the people they killed or raped or whatever didn't have a painless time with them. I say to kill them in whatever is the cheapest way to get them off the books and not costing the taxpayers any more money.

If it takes them longer to die, too bad. They should have though of that before they did whatever they did to get sentences to death in the first place.

Guillotine works great in my book. Firing squad. Bullet to the forehead or up through the chin. If they live, then shoot them again. Bullets are cheap.

Or hell, give them a thrill while they die. Throw them out of a plane with no parachute. Then if they live through it, have someone waiting on the ground with a shotgun.


I like the way you think.
 

mugs

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Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: leftyman
Originally posted by: Flyback
You should instead ask whether or not it's constitutional for the state to take the life of a piece of garbage that doesnt think twice about taking the life of another person..

fixed.

Anyone that's convicted is guilty, huh? Do I need to Google "murder exonerated forensic evidence" for you or do you want to take back your foolish statement?

Here, I'll help: http://www.innocenceproject.org/
They aren't all murderers, and most were not on death row (14 were), but I believe they're all violent offenders who were serving long sentences. The average time they spent in jail before release was 12 years.

Anyone who thinks that there aren't people being railroaded by overzealous, unethical prosecutors is naive. Anyone who thinks that all defendants receive an adequate, competent defense is naive.

The only limit to the number of people who are exonerated by the Innocence Project is the resources they have available. There is no shortage of innocent people in our prisons.

John Grisham recently wrote a book about two of the guys who were freed by the Innocence Project, it was call The Innocent Man.

It was about these two guys:
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/152.php
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/295.php
Their story is truly horrifying.
 
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I am all for hanging like the good ole days. Plus rope is cheap and im sure it can hang a good 100 people before you need a new one LOL. I am all for the death penalty if they are a murderer. Actually i wish it didnt take so long. 1 year for appeals and then your are done. I dont want to waste my tax money to keep someone alive in prison until they actually die of old age. Screw that. :)
 

fierydemise

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Why should we kill the bastards, lock them in a padded room decorated with the smiling pictures of the people they killed
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: mugs
Here, I'll help: http://www.innocenceproject.org/
Thanks mugs, I actually have heard of that organization before, but it momentarily escaped me.

All one needs to do is look at the recent Duke case to see where our "justice" system goes wrong. Fortunately for them, the Duke lacrosse team is a group of well-to-do white guys. A poor black man doesn't stand as much of a chance against a prosecutor + police force with a comparatively unlimited budget.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Originally posted by: DeathBUA

But whatever...there truly isn't a humane way of killing someone.

How about the way we kill Raven Rapax in Wizardry 8?

Chamber with 50-500ton quick release hydraulic press. Sedate them to sleep beforehand. Carry to the chamber. Let pressure plate slam down. Hose the spaghetti sauce down the drain to rinse and repeat.

I was thinking of something similar

that or a sort of blast chamber where explosives are set all around and set off simultaneously
 

herbiehancock

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Not to hijack the thread........but I do find it sort of funny in one respect this discussion of capital punishment.

Seems the advocates for it are usually of a conservative bent....not that that's bad or wrong, just the way it is.

And it seems the opponents of it are usually leaning toward the liberal side....again, nothing wrong with that, just the way it is.

The ironic thing about that is their "typical" beliefs about life at the OTHER end of the spectrum.

The conservative mantra is "Pro-Life"......whatever that means. Maybe GWB can explain. Pro-Life and for capital punishment.

On the other hand, we have "Choice" advocates....meaning abortion.....yet they also try to get capital punishment outlawed.

So we have advocates that "treasure" life.....in the beginning but see fit to kill in the end. Or we have advocates of "treasuring" all life except in the womb.

Bit of a paradox.