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Would you take your pet to this veterinarian?

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Exophase said:
That's silly. Being good at shooting a bow at a trapped animal doesn't make her a good vet. At best it's irrelevant.

Personally I'm very particular about who I take my pets to. I'm willing to drive further and spend more money to get better care (but my pets aren't as standard as cats)
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I didn't say she was a good vet for making a good shoot.
 
mrjminer said:
I didn't say she was a good vet for making a good shoot.
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Then what exactly was your criteria for calling her a good vet? Nothing about this story reflects on her ability to care for animals. Being conscientious about animal control has about as much to do with being a good vet as being a death sentence advocate has to do with being a good doctor.
 
Exophase said:
Then what exactly was your criteria for calling her a good vet? Nothing about this story reflects on her ability to care for animals. Being conscientious about animal control has about as much to do with being a good vet as being a death sentence advocate has to do with being a good doctor.
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Your parallel draws invalid comparisons; a death penalty advocate wouldn't be related to the doctor's profession like animal control is to a veterinarian. A more accurate comparison would be "being conscientious about animal control has about as much to do with being a good vet as being conscientious about vaccinations has to do with being a good doctor." Or, whatever particular doctor-related subject you wish to insert. Regardless, the point is that I think it does relate to being a good veterinarian. If you wish to believe that veterinarians should encourage people to allow their animals to run around uncontrolled, then we are going to have to remain at an impasse.
 
ch33zw1z said:
So, is what she did breaking the law? Just looking for a yes or no.
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She violated 42.092, which criminalizes killing a domesticated animal without the owner's consent. It's a felony.

Some imbecile above insists that a cat that's allowed to roam outdoors is "abandoned" and thus has no owner, and while that's patently absurd and not even worth debunking, it wouldn't matter even if it were true. Texas' animal cruelty law was amended in response to the Jim Stevenson case to extend the same protections to feral cats. Texans cannot legally kill cats that they don't own.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Ok. it's just funny to see how some members allow flex on this situation, but are so stern on others. Thanks.
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Common problem... the flex usually depends on how much social power/prowess the "target" has.

This vet will probably come out relatively unscathed because she's pretty and has fairly-high social power/connection.
 
mrjminer said:
Your parallel draws invalid comparisons; a death penalty advocate wouldn't be related to the doctor's profession like animal control is to a veterinarian. A more accurate comparison would be "being conscientious about animal control has about as much to do with being a good vet as being conscientious about vaccinations has to do with being a good doctor." Or, whatever particular doctor-related subject you wish to insert.
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I still don't see how animal population control is related to being a veterinarian either. Unless you really want to argue that she killed that cat out of concern that it was a danger to the pets of others. Which is at best rarely a thing. You can draw just as much of a tenuous connection in my analogy, where the doctor wants the criminal killed so people (his patients) aren't put at increased risk. Oh, and the doctor would also be okay with shooting the criminal with an arrow himself.

mrjminer said:
Regardless, the point is that I think it does relate to being a good veterinarian. If you wish to believe that veterinarians should encourage people to allow their animals to run around uncontrolled, then we are going to have to remain at an impasse.
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So in your mind anything less than shooting any cats you see outside is encouraging people to let their animals run around controlled? Really? That's like saying someone who shot a person for being on their porch would have been encouraging people to trespass otherwise...
 
Exophase said:
I still don't see how animal population control is related to being a veterinarian either. Unless you really want to argue that she killed that cat out of concern that it was a danger to the pets of others. Which is at best rarely a thing. You can draw just as much of a tenuous connection in my analogy, where the doctor wants the criminal killed so people (his patients) aren't put at increased risk. Oh, and the doctor would also be okay with shooting the criminal with an arrow himself.



So in your mind anything less than shooting any cats you see outside is encouraging people to let their animals run around controlled? Really? That's like saying someone who shot a person for being on their porch would have been encouraging people to trespass otherwise...
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You are clearly insane. So, we'll remain at an impasse
 
mrjminer said:
You are clearly insane. So, we'll remain at an impasse
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Yeah, I'm clearly insane. That's a totally reasonable reaction to what I said. Oh well, I guess the important thing is you got another word in.

Since I still don't get it, could maybe someone else explain how killing this cat is a strong positive reflection on her quality as a veterinarian?
 
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Exophase said:
Yeah, I'm clearly insane. That's a totally reasonable reaction to what I said. Oh well, I guess the important thing is you got another word in.
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Well, you started out with "I still don't see how animal population control is related to being a veterinarian either," then tried to defend your obviously unequal comparison. I was going to go with stupid, but I went with insanity. So, at least we agree on something.

I just wrote this post to get another word in also. I guess that's two things.
 
ch33zw1z said:
It's about the bow, Exophase. She was top of her class in archery at her school.
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Yup. There's no better advertising than a picture of yourself on your clinic brochure holding a dead cat by the arrow piercing its skull and a caption below it that reads:

Your pet is in good hands!

I'm sure idiots would look at that picture and it would instill them with confidence in her veterinary skills. Oh, they already do?
 
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mrjminer said:
Well, you started out with "I still don't see how animal population control is related to being a veterinarian either," then tried to defend your obviously unequal comparison. I was going to go with stupid, but I went with insanity. So, at least we agree on something.

I just wrote this post to get another word in also. I guess that's two things.
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How about this instead: if you can't or won't argue your position or rebuttal go with nothing. I'm not stupid or insane and any jump to such insult over this disagreement is absurd.

By the way, you said that her shooting the cat was making a statement of not supporting people letting their pets roam free. How exactly does that connect, when she was under the impression that the cat was not someone's pet in the first place? Wild animal population control and good practices for outdoor pets are two totally different things.
 
Exophase said:
How about this instead: if you can't or won't argue your position or rebuttal go with nothing. I'm not stupid or insane and any jump to such insult over this disagreement is absurd.

By the way, you said that her shooting the cat was making a statement of not supporting people letting their pets roam free. How exactly does that connect, when she was under the impression that the cat was not someone's pet in the first place? Wild animal population control and good practices for outdoor pets are two totally different things.
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But it is illegal to kill a feral cat in texas regardless of how you want to see it. If you want to set up a bow season for feral cats then take it up with the legislature. Until then dont kill cats you find.
 
JSt0rm said:
But it is illegal to kill a feral cat in texas regardless of how you want to see it. If you want to set up a bow season for feral cats then take it up with the legislature. Until then dont kill cats you find.
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Why are you telling me this? I don't support killing any cats you find outside unless they're putting someone in danger. Animal population control should be left to the government funded department specifically set up for that purpose. If you want to do something about a feral cat take it to a shelter.
 
Think you got a feral cat problem? Cat traps.

If it's genuinely feral, deal with it appropriately.
If it's a pet, it's pretty easy to find the owner for them to reclaim their pet AND learn a lesson in responsibility.

She did neither of those things, she wanted to put her bow lessons to use and satisfy a bloodlust. Riding high, she gloated over her kill like a redneck bringing down a deer.

This wasn't about pest control, it was bloodlust. That shouldn't be rewarded in anyone - redneck, veterinarian, military, or otherwise.
 
Blue_Max said:
Think you got a feral cat problem? Cat traps.

If it's genuinely feral, deal with it appropriately.
If it's a pet, it's pretty easy to find the owner for them to reclaim their pet AND learn a lesson in responsibility.

She did neither of those things, she wanted to put her bow lessons to use and satisfy a bloodlust. Riding high, she gloated over her kill like a redneck bringing down a deer.

This wasn't about pest control, it was bloodlust. That shouldn't be rewarded in anyone - redneck, veterinarian, military, or otherwise.
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I don't know that she ever had a cat problem. She previously posted about a yearning to hunt and kill. She posted the only good feral cat is a dead feral cat. No mention of where she killed it or why. The background is a wooded area so she may well have been in the woods. If there is more than speculation about where I haven't seen it.
 
This case went as I suspected, no conviction. Without being convicted of a crime I don't think Texas can legally pull her veterinary license.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/loca...-with-arrow-to-go-before-grand-jury/29219199/

A Brenham veterinarian who killed a cat with a bow and arrow will not face charges at this time after an Austin County grand jury returned a "no-bill" in the case.
A finding of no-bill indicates the grand jury examined all the evidence and determined there was insufficient proof to charge.
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