Would you take "Fly At Your Own Risk Airlines"?

DangerAardvark

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Inspired by Bill Maher's latest HBO special.

Would you fly on an airline which required you to sign a disclaimer before boarding exempting them from liability, and in return they relax security back to pre-9/11 standards? Hell, they even do away with a lot of those too, like allowing smoking in certain sections or flights.

This is assuming this is all legal.
 

minendo

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I'm a smoker and I would never get on a flight that allows smoking. As for relaxed security, I could not care either way.
 

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I can deal with taking my shoes off. I don't think I've ever spent more than 15 minutes going through security. More like 5 minutes usually.
 

minendo

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Originally posted by: mugs
I can deal with taking my shoes off. I don't think I've ever spent more than 15 minutes going through security. More like 5 minutes usually.
What airports have you been through? I've spent over an hour a few times at Ohare.

 

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Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: mugs
I can deal with taking my shoes off. I don't think I've ever spent more than 15 minutes going through security. More like 5 minutes usually.
What airports have you been through? I've spent over an hour a few times at Ohare.

Last 2 times i went through O'hare and Cinncinatti (sp?) it was less than 5 mins.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: mugs
I can deal with taking my shoes off. I don't think I've ever spent more than 15 minutes going through security. More like 5 minutes usually.
What airports have you been through? I've spent over an hour a few times at Ohare.

I fly out of Newark normally, JFK or Philadelphia once or twice. Usually fly to DFW or Kahului (Maui), also Las Vegas and Minneapolis once each. I'm not a frequent flyer, but I've been on a good variety of flights - morning, mid-day, afternoon, evening, weekday, weekend, etc.
 

minendo

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: mugs
I can deal with taking my shoes off. I don't think I've ever spent more than 15 minutes going through security. More like 5 minutes usually.
What airports have you been through? I've spent over an hour a few times at Ohare.

I fly out of Newark normally, JFK or Philadelphia once or twice. Usually fly to DFW or Kahului (Maui), also Las Vegas and Minneapolis once each. I'm not a frequent flyer, but I've been on a good variety of flights - morning, mid-day, afternoon, evening, weekday, weekend, etc.

The early flights out of Ohare always seem to get me.
 

foghorn67

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Originally posted by: mugs
I can deal with taking my shoes off. I don't think I've ever spent more than 15 minutes going through security. More like 5 minutes usually.

I haven't been part of the dreaded security nightmares either.
I also carry tons of camera gear and gadgets. Laptop, stupid blackberrydamnitallihatethatthingthanksstupidjob, cell phone, mp3 player.
 

eLiu

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Smoking? Hell no. I can't stand the smell of someone smoking nor can I stand the odor that seeps into their stuff.

Though I don't see anything wrong with the enclosed space... airplanes recycle air much more often than your average home or building. There's an fairly (overly...) elaborate bleed-air system that pipes air in from the engine intakes on most airliners. Some models have systems that don't draw from the engines.

Relaxed secuirty? Sure, especially if it comes at a lower cost (fewer employees should in theory mean some savings for the consumer...) These days I fly from/to college from home (RDU--raleigh/durham in NC to BOS--logan in Boston). The security really hasn't annoyed me yet. I'm currently attributing that to always wearing a MIT t-shirt when I travel... I'm sure it's unrelated, but the trend is yet unbroken, lol. Taking off my shoes is OK, and I typically don't travel with liquids, so that hasn't gotten to me either. Besides the shoes, flying is just like I remember pre-9/11 (when I mostly flew intl to Taiwan).
 

DangerAardvark

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Most people seem hung up on the smoking thing, but the main idea is relaxed security and being able to take anything short of a gun in carry-on.
 

daniel1113

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I think all the airlines should be able to make their own policies. I think that covers about everything.
 

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Most people seem hung up on the smoking thing, but the main idea is relaxed security and being able to take anything short of a gun in carry-on.


Funny, people hate smoking so much they would rather be on a plane with a bomb :)
 

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Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Most people seem hung up on the smoking thing, but the main idea is relaxed security and being able to take anything short of a gun in carry-on.


Funny, people hate smoking so much they would rather be on a plane with a bomb :)

When was the last american flight that was blown up by a terrorist bomb?
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Most people seem hung up on the smoking thing, but the main idea is relaxed security and being able to take anything short of a gun in carry-on.

You think security has been ramped up since 9/11? Ha! Thats laughable. :laugh:
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Inspired by Bill Maher's latest HBO special.

Would you fly on an airline which required you to sign a disclaimer before boarding exempting them from liability, and in return they relax security back to pre-9/11 standards? Hell, they even do away with a lot of those too, like allowing smoking in certain sections or flights.

This is assuming this is all legal.

Absolutely. If anyone thinks the "ramped up" security is making them any safer on an airplane then they have been fooled.

 

Evadman

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just pay 200 bucks for clearpass. No security lines, no searches, no xray. So good.
 
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No smoking. IF you want me to return to pre 9/11 security you better be giving me like 60% off or something... maybe more. I'd do it. It's just that post 9/11 security isn't exactly a nightmare for me so I don't really gain anything with pre 9/11 security unless you make it cheap as hell for me to fly.


Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Inspired by Bill Maher's latest HBO special.

Would you fly on an airline which required you to sign a disclaimer before boarding exempting them from liability, and in return they relax security back to pre-9/11 standards? Hell, they even do away with a lot of those too, like allowing smoking in certain sections or flights.

This is assuming this is all legal.

Absolutely. If anyone thinks the "ramped up" security is making them any safer on an airplane then they have been fooled.

Quite wrong. There's more screening going on and if you think you're only less safe with post 9/11 security, please show me how that is true. I think what you mean is is the security difference like night and day? Probably not, but are you safer post 9/11? Sure. If anything the days right after 9/11 are the safest to fly, not before.

Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Most people seem hung up on the smoking thing, but the main idea is relaxed security and being able to take anything short of a gun in carry-on.


Funny, people hate smoking so much they would rather be on a plane with a bomb :)

Major US Airports had bomb detection scanners installed after the 1996 Olympics. I don't think you could bring on anything on your check-in baggage. I think post 9/11 just made those machines more widespread and then incorporated people opening your bags up (no locks allowed)
 

jupiter57

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Airlines? Meh.
I "Fly at your own REAL RISK every time I take the stick!
That's why I really hate to turn down people when they ask me to go up.
'Lil brother alway gets PP seat though, He could get us down if something happens to me.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
no

and Maher is an idiot

And you're a trite idiot. At least he's a funny idiot. I don't agree with him on some things, but who cares? He's a comic first and a political commentator second.

You remember comedy right? The realm of hyperbole and sarcasm? Comedians wield words like a sword, so when they make a political point, they make it hard.