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Would you support the next President if they championed massive spending cuts?
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Good idea, with the wealth in the nation flowing out of the hands of most Americans to the top more than at about any time in history, let's further shift the tax burden off the top.
You know, the flat-worlders are beginning to look positively reasonable in comparison to the right-wingers.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
Oh man... I couldn't get past that part I was laughing so hard...
Hey...
Deja vu...
theeedude
Lifer
Because we were right, and heard the same kind of condescending attitude from people who were wrong on that issue, lecturing us about how it was far over our heads.
Well, those same people have been wrong time and time again, but have not had a much needed attitude adjustment, so they continue pretending like they have all the answers because they listen to the AM radio.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Yeap with a few exceptions:
1. Can?t cut defense spending, at least as long as we are in the war on ?terror.?
2. Cutting education spending is most likely not a good idea.
3. Transportation spending is funded mainly by our gas taxes, therefore I would not touch it.</end quote></div>
Considering we spend more on defense than the next 8 combined. Yeah we can and we SHOULD cut the handouts to defense companies.
The CIA and NSA, as well as the now Dept of Homeland Security, have a completely seperate budget.
Yeap with a few exceptions:
1. Can?t cut defense spending, at least as long as we are in the war on ?terror.?
2. Cutting education spending is most likely not a good idea.
3. Transportation spending is funded mainly by our gas taxes, therefore I would not touch it.</end quote></div>
Considering we spend more on defense than the next 8 combined. Yeah we can and we SHOULD cut the handouts to defense companies.
The CIA and NSA, as well as the now Dept of Homeland Security, have a completely seperate budget.
Thanks for the commentary from the right-wing cult.
The government has never done any good, has it? It had nothing to do with the 40-hour work week and workplace safety, with safety and disclosure in food, with the rules keeping the marketplace functioning well, with creating the national highway system and the air control system, with moving the country from 90% elder poverty to 90% elder non-poverty.
Thanks for proving my point, though youth may not be your reason for failing to understand the good government can do and is needed to do - clearly, with limits.
Your reason is being one of the dupes of the right-wing propaganda.
You should learn to speak clearly and not say things you don't mean to say.
You did it in another thread in the last day or two, when you clearly said something and then denied having said it (so I quoted it for you. Twice.)
The key quote here, and you gave it its own sentence I bolded above, and that sentence its own paragraph:
But then you want to deny that you said anything to the effect of republicans' role, and you claim you were referring equally to the president and congress.
BS. You say it, stand by it and stop evading responsibility.
And read the link I handed you. You didn't, did you?
It helps you get the facts behind your comment:
Sure, party isn't the only factor, but there's a clear difference between the two parties - something you fail to say, and it appears, do not understand.
Oh, sorry, the link isn't exactly on the topic of this thread, and so you can't be bothered to actually get informed on the larger issue of the history of the economy and political party.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
Here... Let me just post my response to the other identical post you made earlier in the thread...
As for your insane assumptions... I feel sorry for you.
Yes, LBJ and Nixon did a lot to start the disillusionment of the public in government, because of Viet Nam and Watergate, but they were a hell of a lot better than GWB.
You can read John Dean's "Worse than Watergate" for the documentation, but this essay on Salon.com *defending Nixon* is right there for you to read.
And there's the predictable right-wing misguided hyperbole, distorting the issue.
No, spouter of ignorance, you can trace it back to Ronald Reagan.
No, it spawned the philosophy that government had a higher function than it did before FDR, and it did - it did a ton of good - but not that it was some extreme bloated thing.
The huge debt comes from the corruption of the republicans from Reagan to GWB, period.
They can. See the presidency and elimination of the deficit under Bill Clinton.
It was all budgetary smoke & mirrors...
Bill Clinton served as President from 1993-2001. He says he paid down on the National Debt...
Look Here > What year or years did that happened?
Answer = It didn't... It went up every year. :shocked:
Link to the Treasury Direct website (Historical Debt Outstanding)
This book must be included in the Welcome Basket for everyone new to Washington > "How to Lie With Statistics" :laugh:
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
Craig...
I'm not defending W but you can't say that people's faith in the government was shattered over the last six years. The US government has been the butt of jokes since before I was born.
Blaming it all on Bush is (or Reagan or some other republican) makes you look silly.
And I'm sure you realize that there is a difference between the deficit and the debt. Despite all the claims and accounting tricks to show a surplus, the national debt grew every year under Clinton. He was robbing Peter (Social Security) to pay Paul.
I realize you are a socialist idealogue. I understand that you think government can solve all problems if you just give it a chance. And working with fictional ideals, you might even be right. But in the real world, government stifles progress. It chokes on its own red tape. It is not helpful. It serves only to increase its own power.
And unfortuneately for you, you can't just blame Dubbya for it. It's far older and more complicated than "GWB fucked us"
I'm not defending W but you can't say that people's faith in the government was shattered over the last six years. The US government has been the butt of jokes since before I was born.
Blaming it all on Bush is (or Reagan or some other republican) makes you look silly.
And I'm sure you realize that there is a difference between the deficit and the debt. Despite all the claims and accounting tricks to show a surplus, the national debt grew every year under Clinton. He was robbing Peter (Social Security) to pay Paul.
I realize you are a socialist idealogue. I understand that you think government can solve all problems if you just give it a chance. And working with fictional ideals, you might even be right. But in the real world, government stifles progress. It chokes on its own red tape. It is not helpful. It serves only to increase its own power.
And unfortuneately for you, you can't just blame Dubbya for it. It's far older and more complicated than "GWB fucked us"
Vic
Elite Member
I'll agree that conservatives aren't that smart because I'm not a conservative. I never bought the lies about the WMD's (and didn't care anyway) and I was opposed to invading Afghanistan, much less Iraq. I'm a true liberal, not a socialist pretending to call myself a liberal.
Nice straw man though. Obviously all you had left after being completely and childishly wrong in your knowledge of basic political science and history. There is a significant difference between an all-powerful government made up of a small elite (i.e. your typical banana republic) and a government with limited powers controlled by a representative democracy of the people. They are obviously 2 entirely opposite forms of government, and here you are trying to argue that they are one in the same.
Oh boy, you're so smart! Quick! Create a distraction by pretending that I'm pro-Iraq War again!
edit: WHEN are they going to fix the forums? :frown:
Vic
Elite Member
Sweeping statements like that are typical of Craig's doublethink socialist propaganda. The basis for instilling fear in people, and thus control over them, is to get them to believe that they face a new and unusual crisis. Something that has never been encountered before and thus requires that new and drastic measures be implemented in order to combat it. And Craig, of course, being a great genius and hero of the people, will already have those necessary solutions and measures ready for us. Oh, if only we would heed his sage advice!
So it's not like Americans haven't mistrusted their government since before the Revolutionary War. This is new, this is different, and it's all Bush's fault! And we must do exactly what these great heroes of the people who oppose Bush tell us to do! Forget the fact that they have utterly failed in protecting us from the Great Satan and his agenda for the past 7 years, and have in fact voted in Congress right along with his administration every step of the way...
What America really wants to know is when are the ideologues on both the right and the left going to figure out that we see right through them? You're one and the same. It's like 2 football teams playing against each other. Your goals might be on opposite ends of the field, but you're still playing the same game and working towards the same objective. For some reason, this is obvious to everyone but the extremists.
So it's not like Americans haven't mistrusted their government since before the Revolutionary War. This is new, this is different, and it's all Bush's fault! And we must do exactly what these great heroes of the people who oppose Bush tell us to do! Forget the fact that they have utterly failed in protecting us from the Great Satan and his agenda for the past 7 years, and have in fact voted in Congress right along with his administration every step of the way...
What America really wants to know is when are the ideologues on both the right and the left going to figure out that we see right through them? You're one and the same. It's like 2 football teams playing against each other. Your goals might be on opposite ends of the field, but you're still playing the same game and working towards the same objective. For some reason, this is obvious to everyone but the extremists.
JD50
Lifer
This is why I try as hard as I can to completely avoid you. You are a condescending, arrogant ass. That aside, you also continue to quote me out of context, like you did in the other thread.
"But then you want to deny that you said anything to the effect of republicans' role, and you claim you were referring equally to the president and congress."
Where did I deny this? I denied that I think that Republicans were SOLELY responsible for the economy in the 90s. I didn't even say that they played an equal role, I just said that they both played a part. Senseamp was insinuating that the good economy in the 90s was all because of Clinton, completely ignoring the fact that Republicans controlled congress. I was reminding him of that fact, thats all, so stop trying to make things more complicated than they are. If you would have taken what I said in context, then it shouldn't have been too dificult for you to understand this. Now stop quoting me out of context and then arguing against a point that I didn't even make, its pretty damn annoying.
I don't even know why I stopped ignoring you, you are by far the most condescending person that I have ever known. I won't make that mistake again.
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