Would you support same-sex marriage in your state?

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: TooOne21
I think that if they want to be together why don't they do it for love and not the monetary benefits.

Isn't that their real reason? Because apparently they are not in it for the Religious reason.

So, if they were to be together for love, they do not need a "marriage" or "Civil Union."

So if a straight couple wants to get married they are in it for love. But if a gay couple wants to get married, they are in it for money? Is that what you are telling me? Please, explain to me how retarded your logic is.

I THINK he is trying to say that IF it were only for love they wouldn't need all the benifits associated with the marriage stamp.

Is he saying that only homosexual couples can feel love and thus do not need to get married? I object to that.

I highly doubt that.

So if homosexual couples don't need marriage if they are in love, why do straight couples need to get married?

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
There is some damage when you view marriage as a SARCRED vow between a man and a woman. There is something special (I'm not saying gays can't be special) about a couple who have taken on the responsibility to devote their lives to each other, raise children all in the eyes of God. Our nation was build with God in mind. Yes times have changed and we are now more liberal than ever. I suppose it's time to change everything we disagree with so everyone is happy and moral and justified doing things that were once illegal.

What homosexuals are doing has no effect on the sacredness of a vow that someone else makes. By this logic, we should have already dumped the concept of marriage because millions of heterosexual Christians have ALREADY trashed the sacredness of their vows.

I'm getting married in November, and my marriage is not going to be affected in any way by gay people getting married, straight people getting divorced, or any other external influence. That vow made will be between me, my wife, and God. No one else is concerned and I am concerned iwth no one else.

You said earlier you don't have a problem with "civil unions." Churches will still not marry gays. How, then, are gays making marriage any less sacred?

I think I put a distinction between those who marry for love and believe in the sacredness of that love given by God and those who marry and get a divorce. Divorces are done for fewer reasons than what my wife and I argue about. People these days don't work through their problems it's easier to get divorced. However, my arguments will never make a difference. They are my own beliefs. As a white male who believes in God I seem to have no say in this country anymore even looked at as uneducated, illogical, and "stupid". Those who go against the moral standing seem to make all the difference. They hide behind free speech, and freedom of expression. What was that story about two men having sex in a tree in public? I'm sure there are some heteros who would do the same but you just don't hear about it. I don't want to see either to be honest. I'm not homophobic but just trying to live my life the way I want. I agree they want to live their lives too and I would never take that from them. Maybe I was arguing a different angle, maybe marriage is more to me, maybe not. I was looking at this from a Religious angle since arguing against civil marriages otherwise you can't win.

In the end just let them get married so we can forget about all this and I don't have to see it on the news everyday. Won't have to hear it on the radio or go round and round on ATOT. Yeah yeah, turn off the TV or Radio. It is part of life now there is no avoiding it.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The long and short of it is that they don't want to be treated differently than anyone else. That's inequality. This is America, which is supposed to be about equality.

ding ding ding...

But we are human and it seems to be a human trait to want to be better than then next person. I don't know where this fits into the subject and I try not to live my life this way but it is true.

However, it is the governments job to make sure that people are not discriminated against, not because of race, gender nor sexual preference, is it not?

He never said that humans do not discriminate, he only said that it is wrong to do so.

It is not in my trait to feel better than others, it is in my trait to better myself.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: TooOne21
I think that if they want to be together why don't they do it for love and not the monetary benefits.

Isn't that their real reason? Because apparently they are not in it for the Religious reason.

So, if they were to be together for love, they do not need a "marriage" or "Civil Union."

So if a straight couple wants to get married they are in it for love. But if a gay couple wants to get married, they are in it for money? Is that what you are telling me? Please, explain to me how retarded your logic is.

I THINK he is trying to say that IF it were only for love they wouldn't need all the benifits associated with the marriage stamp.

Is he saying that only homosexual couples can feel love and thus do not need to get married? I object to that.

I highly doubt that.

So if homosexual couples don't need marriage if they are in love, why do straight couples need to get married?

I did to unify my love with my wife under God. I wasn't thinking about health benifits or anything else.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: samgau

Haha... how about the 110 or so billions being spent on the war effort... somebody sure gave the keys to the treasury to Bush...

But thats besides the point... you tell me that there is a bunch of heterosexual people out there who would volontarily pick up a gay label (and all the discrimination it entails) just to defraud the social security system... Also don't forget that to receive social security, one of the spouse has had to contribute into the system for decades....

you tell who what? that is the wall street journal's opinion, not some anonymous jerk on the internet. apparently the union thinks there is an increased risk of fraud as well.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Heck no.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The long and short of it is that they don't want to be treated differently than anyone else. That's inequality. This is America, which is supposed to be about equality.

ding ding ding...

But we are human and it seems to be a human trait to want to be better than then next person. I don't know where this fits into the subject and I try not to live my life this way but it is true.

However, it is the governments job to make sure that people are not discriminated against, not because of race, gender nor sexual preference, is it not?

He never said that humans do not discriminate, he only said that it is wrong to do so.

It is not in my trait to feel better than others, it is in my trait to better myself.

But how do you judge your success? If everyone tried to better themselves you would still be the same, average. For you to better yourself you need to base that against a norm. Your norm can be used but then you still have to base that norm off something to make it what it is. So your goal of bettering yourself is no better than trying to do better than those around you. Whether your are doing it for a better house or car or for spiritual enlightenment.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: TooOne21
I think that if they want to be together why don't they do it for love and not the monetary benefits.

Isn't that their real reason? Because apparently they are not in it for the Religious reason.

So, if they were to be together for love, they do not need a "marriage" or "Civil Union."

So if a straight couple wants to get married they are in it for love. But if a gay couple wants to get married, they are in it for money? Is that what you are telling me? Please, explain to me how retarded your logic is.

I THINK he is trying to say that IF it were only for love they wouldn't need all the benifits associated with the marriage stamp.

Is he saying that only homosexual couples can feel love and thus do not need to get married? I object to that.

I highly doubt that.

So if homosexual couples don't need marriage if they are in love, why do straight couples need to get married?

I did to unify my love with my wife under God. I wasn't thinking about health benifits or anything else.

Ok, so you are saying that only religious couples can get married, any specific religion and denomination, how should it be checked that all people getting married are religious? How about a couple of religious gays that want to get married and "unify their love with eachother under God", is that ok?

You are getting into an argument you cannot possibly win.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The long and short of it is that they don't want to be treated differently than anyone else. That's inequality. This is America, which is supposed to be about equality.

ding ding ding...

But we are human and it seems to be a human trait to want to be better than then next person. I don't know where this fits into the subject and I try not to live my life this way but it is true.

However, it is the governments job to make sure that people are not discriminated against, not because of race, gender nor sexual preference, is it not?

He never said that humans do not discriminate, he only said that it is wrong to do so.

It is not in my trait to feel better than others, it is in my trait to better myself.

But how do you judge your success? If everyone tried to better themselves you would still be the same, average. For you to better yourself you need to base that against a norm. Your norm can be used but then you still have to base that norm off something to make it what it is. So your goal of bettering yourself is no better than trying to do better than those around you. Whether your are doing it for a better house or car or for spiritual enlightenment.

I judge my success for myself, what others have or do not have does not interest me, i don't get a kick out of saying "look, i am better than him". I try to treat everyone with respect, discrimination is the opposite of that.

You still don't get it, just because YOU think that gays are bad people and it's ok to discriminate against them does not make it right in the eyes of the government, equality for all citizens is more important that how you feel about someones sexual preference.

And in the eyes of the government, things as love and religion does not exist at any level, or rather, it should not. Now, since the government or an agency of the government are the ones handing out marriage licenses i cannot understand how it can be ok for them to discriminate based on religious reasons.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: TooOne21
I think that if they want to be together why don't they do it for love and not the monetary benefits.

Isn't that their real reason? Because apparently they are not in it for the Religious reason.

So, if they were to be together for love, they do not need a "marriage" or "Civil Union."

So if a straight couple wants to get married they are in it for love. But if a gay couple wants to get married, they are in it for money? Is that what you are telling me? Please, explain to me how retarded your logic is.

I THINK he is trying to say that IF it were only for love they wouldn't need all the benifits associated with the marriage stamp.

Is he saying that only homosexual couples can feel love and thus do not need to get married? I object to that.

I highly doubt that.

So if homosexual couples don't need marriage if they are in love, why do straight couples need to get married?

I did to unify my love with my wife under God. I wasn't thinking about health benifits or anything else.

Ok, so you are saying that only religious couples can get married, any specific religion and denomination, how should it be checked that all people getting married are religious? How about a couple of religious gays that want to get married and "unify their love with eachother under God", is that ok?

You are getting into an argument you cannot possibly win.

Well for the true meaning of marriage it would make sense that one would only get married for religious reasons. However now there are many civil benefits that go along with marriage so it wouldn't make sense. There is no reason why a state marriage can't be different from a religious marriage. Beside many here and many throughout the world don't even care about the religious ceremony or what it signifies so we are in the minority. And for religious gays, if their religion allows it, that's fine too. Like I said many think religion is for fools, that's okay for them. You just can't win an argument when religion plays a part.

 

[slpaulson]

Originally posted by: loki8481
a vote against gay marriage is a vote against hot lesbians everywhere.

Most lesbians aren't too hot...

I guess I don't care what other people do in bed either way.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: TooOne21
I think that if they want to be together why don't they do it for love and not the monetary benefits.

Isn't that their real reason? Because apparently they are not in it for the Religious reason.

So, if they were to be together for love, they do not need a "marriage" or "Civil Union."

So if a straight couple wants to get married they are in it for love. But if a gay couple wants to get married, they are in it for money? Is that what you are telling me? Please, explain to me how retarded your logic is.

I THINK he is trying to say that IF it were only for love they wouldn't need all the benifits associated with the marriage stamp.

Is he saying that only homosexual couples can feel love and thus do not need to get married? I object to that.

I highly doubt that.

So if homosexual couples don't need marriage if they are in love, why do straight couples need to get married?

I did to unify my love with my wife under God. I wasn't thinking about health benifits or anything else.

Ok, so you are saying that only religious couples can get married, any specific religion and denomination, how should it be checked that all people getting married are religious? How about a couple of religious gays that want to get married and "unify their love with eachother under God", is that ok?

You are getting into an argument you cannot possibly win.

Well for the true meaning of marriage it would make sense that one would only get married for religious reasons. However now there are many civil benefits that go along with marriage so it wouldn't make sense. There is no reason why a state marriage can't be different from a religious marriage. Beside many here and many throughout the world don't even care about the religious ceremony or what it signifies so we are in the minority. And for religious gays, if their religion allows it, that's fine too. Like I said many think religion is for fools, that's okay for them. You just can't win an argument when religion plays a part.

So now you are saying that it is ok for gays to be married and have a religious ceremony too if their church will marry them?

Regarding religion, just so you know my stance on the matter, i consider myself an agnostic, i was raised a protestant christian and my grandparents on my mothers side were semitic jews. I have been married but am divorced.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
I think I put a distinction between those who marry for love and believe in the sacredness of that love given by God and those who marry and get a divorce. Divorces are done for fewer reasons than what my wife and I argue about. People these days don't work through their problems it's easier to get divorced. However, my arguments will never make a difference. They are my own beliefs. As a white male who believes in God I seem to have no say in this country anymore even looked at as uneducated, illogical, and "stupid". Those who go against the moral standing seem to make all the difference. They hide behind free speech, and freedom of expression. What was that story about two men having sex in a tree in public? I'm sure there are some heteros who would do the same but you just don't hear about it. I don't want to see either to be honest. I'm not homophobic but just trying to live my life the way I want. I agree they want to live their lives too and I would never take that from them. Maybe I was arguing a different angle, maybe marriage is more to me, maybe not. I was looking at this from a Religious angle since arguing against civil marriages otherwise you can't win.

In the end just let them get married so we can forget about all this and I don't have to see it on the news everyday. Won't have to hear it on the radio or go round and round on ATOT. Yeah yeah, turn off the TV or Radio. It is part of life now there is no avoiding it.

None of this either justifies or supports your earlier statement that gays are somehow to blame for either destroying or forcing their way into the religious institution of marriage.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The long and short of it is that they don't want to be treated differently than anyone else. That's inequality. This is America, which is supposed to be about equality.

ding ding ding...

But we are human and it seems to be a human trait to want to be better than then next person. I don't know where this fits into the subject and I try not to live my life this way but it is true.

However, it is the governments job to make sure that people are not discriminated against, not because of race, gender nor sexual preference, is it not?

He never said that humans do not discriminate, he only said that it is wrong to do so.

It is not in my trait to feel better than others, it is in my trait to better myself.

But how do you judge your success? If everyone tried to better themselves you would still be the same, average. For you to better yourself you need to base that against a norm. Your norm can be used but then you still have to base that norm off something to make it what it is. So your goal of bettering yourself is no better than trying to do better than those around you. Whether your are doing it for a better house or car or for spiritual enlightenment.

I judge my success for myself, what others have or do not have does not interest me, i don't get a kick out of saying "look, i am better than him". I try to treat everyone with respect, discrimination is the opposite of that.

You still don't get it, just because YOU think that gays are bad people and it's ok to discriminate against them does not make it right in the eyes of the government, equality for all citizens is more important that how you feel about someones sexual preference.

And in the eyes of the government, things as love and religion does not exist at any level, or rather, it should not. Now, since the government or an agency of the government are the ones handing out marriage licenses i cannot understand how it can be ok for them to discriminate based on religious reasons.

You may be the acceptation to the norm and I commend you for that, however I am say that to judge one's success or betterment there need to be a control to base your level against.

I do not that gays are bad people at all. They live their live differently than I do. IF you must know I worked with a gay guy. While we did not consider each other anything more than just another guy at work who is actually interesting to chat with I never viewed him as anything more or less than that. He is gay and that's fine.

Well, even a ships captain can marry a couple so why can't a priest? He is considered an upstanding member of the community (well, excluding a few bad apples) why can't he have the privilege to marry someone under God and have that also hold true for the state? We said the same things, do you "I do", do you "I do". Sign this paper, okay you're married. That's all the state cares about.

I think you are bashing me too hard and not reading what I am trying to say.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
I think I put a distinction between those who marry for love and believe in the sacredness of that love given by God and those who marry and get a divorce. Divorces are done for fewer reasons than what my wife and I argue about. People these days don't work through their problems it's easier to get divorced. However, my arguments will never make a difference. They are my own beliefs. As a white male who believes in God I seem to have no say in this country anymore even looked at as uneducated, illogical, and "stupid". Those who go against the moral standing seem to make all the difference. They hide behind free speech, and freedom of expression. What was that story about two men having sex in a tree in public? I'm sure there are some heteros who would do the same but you just don't hear about it. I don't want to see either to be honest. I'm not homophobic but just trying to live my life the way I want. I agree they want to live their lives too and I would never take that from them. Maybe I was arguing a different angle, maybe marriage is more to me, maybe not. I was looking at this from a Religious angle since arguing against civil marriages otherwise you can't win.

In the end just let them get married so we can forget about all this and I don't have to see it on the news everyday. Won't have to hear it on the radio or go round and round on ATOT. Yeah yeah, turn off the TV or Radio. It is part of life now there is no avoiding it.

None of this either justifies or supports your earlier statement that gays are somehow to blame for either destroying or forcing their way into the religious institution of marriage.

Arguing with Religion yes, eliminate religion no.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: TooOne21
I think that if they want to be together why don't they do it for love and not the monetary benefits.

Isn't that their real reason? Because apparently they are not in it for the Religious reason.

So, if they were to be together for love, they do not need a "marriage" or "Civil Union."

So if a straight couple wants to get married they are in it for love. But if a gay couple wants to get married, they are in it for money? Is that what you are telling me? Please, explain to me how retarded your logic is.

I THINK he is trying to say that IF it were only for love they wouldn't need all the benifits associated with the marriage stamp.

Is he saying that only homosexual couples can feel love and thus do not need to get married? I object to that.

I highly doubt that.

So if homosexual couples don't need marriage if they are in love, why do straight couples need to get married?

I did to unify my love with my wife under God. I wasn't thinking about health benifits or anything else.

Ok, so you are saying that only religious couples can get married, any specific religion and denomination, how should it be checked that all people getting married are religious? How about a couple of religious gays that want to get married and "unify their love with eachother under God", is that ok?

You are getting into an argument you cannot possibly win.

Well for the true meaning of marriage it would make sense that one would only get married for religious reasons. However now there are many civil benefits that go along with marriage so it wouldn't make sense. There is no reason why a state marriage can't be different from a religious marriage. Beside many here and many throughout the world don't even care about the religious ceremony or what it signifies so we are in the minority. And for religious gays, if their religion allows it, that's fine too. Like I said many think religion is for fools, that's okay for them. You just can't win an argument when religion plays a part.

So now you are saying that it is ok for gays to be married and have a religious ceremony too if their church will marry them?

Regarding religion, just so you know my stance on the matter, i consider myself an agnostic, i was raised a protestant christian and my grandparents on my mothers side were semitic jews. I have been married but am divorced.

If their religion has permitted this union. Who knows, they may be following the True religion.

I don't necessarily care about your religious views, nor should you care about mine. I respect them and don't think you are a bad person in anyway. I may even agree with some of your views.

 

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by: cRazYdood

Originally posted by: loki8481
a vote against gay marriage is a vote against hot lesbians everywhere.

Most lesbians aren't too hot...

I guess I don't care what other people do in bed either way.

We have an admitted one at work. Envision a woman who has the look and shape of a man and easily weighs in at a good 300lbs. All lesbians are indeed NOT hot!!! On the flip side I have seen some extremely attractive ones. 😛

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: TooOne21
I think that if they want to be together why don't they do it for love and not the monetary benefits.

Isn't that their real reason? Because apparently they are not in it for the Religious reason.

So, if they were to be together for love, they do not need a "marriage" or "Civil Union."

So if a straight couple wants to get married they are in it for love. But if a gay couple wants to get married, they are in it for money? Is that what you are telling me? Please, explain to me how retarded your logic is.

I THINK he is trying to say that IF it were only for love they wouldn't need all the benifits associated with the marriage stamp.

Is he saying that only homosexual couples can feel love and thus do not need to get married? I object to that.

I highly doubt that.

So if homosexual couples don't need marriage if they are in love, why do straight couples need to get married?

I did to unify my love with my wife under God. I wasn't thinking about health benifits or anything else.

Ok, so you are saying that only religious couples can get married, any specific religion and denomination, how should it be checked that all people getting married are religious? How about a couple of religious gays that want to get married and "unify their love with eachother under God", is that ok?

You are getting into an argument you cannot possibly win.

Well for the true meaning of marriage it would make sense that one would only get married for religious reasons. However now there are many civil benefits that go along with marriage so it wouldn't make sense. There is no reason why a state marriage can't be different from a religious marriage. Beside many here and many throughout the world don't even care about the religious ceremony or what it signifies so we are in the minority. And for religious gays, if their religion allows it, that's fine too. Like I said many think religion is for fools, that's okay for them. You just can't win an argument when religion plays a part.

So now you are saying that it is ok for gays to be married and have a religious ceremony too if their church will marry them?

Regarding religion, just so you know my stance on the matter, i consider myself an agnostic, i was raised a protestant christian and my grandparents on my mothers side were semitic jews. I have been married but am divorced.

If their religion has permitted this union. Who knows, they may be following the True religion.

I don't necessarily care about your religious views, nor should you care about mine. I respect them and don't think you are a bad person in anyway. I may even agree with some of your views.

I believe that we agree, gays should be allowed to be married, and in church if their church allowes it.

When in a discussion, it helps to define ones views so that the other party understands where you are coming from, that is the reason i told you about my religious background.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Jzero
None of this either justifies or supports your earlier statement that gays are somehow to blame for either destroying or forcing their way into the religious institution of marriage.

Arguing with Religion yes, eliminate religion no.

That made no sense.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The long and short of it is that they don't want to be treated differently than anyone else. That's inequality. This is America, which is supposed to be about equality.

ding ding ding...

But we are human and it seems to be a human trait to want to be better than then next person. I don't know where this fits into the subject and I try not to live my life this way but it is true.

However, it is the governments job to make sure that people are not discriminated against, not because of race, gender nor sexual preference, is it not?

He never said that humans do not discriminate, he only said that it is wrong to do so.

It is not in my trait to feel better than others, it is in my trait to better myself.

But how do you judge your success? If everyone tried to better themselves you would still be the same, average. For you to better yourself you need to base that against a norm. Your norm can be used but then you still have to base that norm off something to make it what it is. So your goal of bettering yourself is no better than trying to do better than those around you. Whether your are doing it for a better house or car or for spiritual enlightenment.

I judge my success for myself, what others have or do not have does not interest me, i don't get a kick out of saying "look, i am better than him". I try to treat everyone with respect, discrimination is the opposite of that.

You still don't get it, just because YOU think that gays are bad people and it's ok to discriminate against them does not make it right in the eyes of the government, equality for all citizens is more important that how you feel about someones sexual preference.

And in the eyes of the government, things as love and religion does not exist at any level, or rather, it should not. Now, since the government or an agency of the government are the ones handing out marriage licenses i cannot understand how it can be ok for them to discriminate based on religious reasons.

You may be the acceptation to the norm and I commend you for that, however I am say that to judge one's success or betterment there need to be a control to base your level against.

I do not that gays are bad people at all. They live their live differently than I do. IF you must know I worked with a gay guy. While we did not consider each other anything more than just another guy at work who is actually interesting to chat with I never viewed him as anything more or less than that. He is gay and that's fine.

Well, even a ships captain can marry a couple so why can't a priest? He is considered an upstanding member of the community (well, excluding a few bad apples) why can't he have the privilege to marry someone under God and have that also hold true for the state? We said the same things, do you "I do", do you "I do". Sign this paper, okay you're married. That's all the state cares about.

I think you are bashing me too hard and not reading what I am trying to say.

Indeed, i think i have been bashing you too hard too and i apologize for that.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Klixxer


I believe that we agree, gays should be allowed to be married, and in church if their church allowes it.

When in a discussion, it helps to define ones views so that the other party understands where you are coming from, that is the reason i told you about my religious background.

Just so you know I guess - I am Roman Catholic. I do not go to church, I do not agree with many of the teachings of the church. However I believe in God. I think that He made many different types of people. He is not Judgmental and He is Just. Let?s just say there is a god (since you don't believe) and you find yourself in the afterlife being judged. There is heaven and Hell... You will not go to hell unless you choose it then. Because here we do not know any better. But who knows what lies ahead. I just accept it, because trying to explain it doesn't work. It's better for me to say "Yes, God exists and there is no way my human mind can compute His existence."

I guess looking back on some of my statements they were FAR more rooted in religion then in logic. Maybe I did state that already. Jzero, my arguments hold up when religion (Catholic) is factored in as a Truth, if you eliminate the religious angle they crumble like my cheap cookie.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Jzero, my arguments hold up when religion (Catholic) is factored in as a Truth, if you eliminate the religious angle they crumble like my cheap cookie.

Being a religious man, myself, I agree with your viewpoints, except for the one point that I keep nitpicking, but I'm just going to hope that I misunderstand your statement.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Jzero
None of this either justifies or supports your earlier statement that gays are somehow to blame for either destroying or forcing their way into the religious institution of marriage.

Arguing with Religion yes, eliminate religion no.

That made no sense.

My basis is still rooted in religion. If you take marriage only for its religious significance and you believe the teaching that homosexuality is a sin, then gay marriages would be a sin. Okay that logic agreed? Now keeping with marriage as a religious sacrament (blessing or whatever you want it) if gays are allowed to marry they are lessening what I have with my wife. Not what we have between each other but the sacrament itself. It means nothing, no rules, no guidelines; it's just another piece of paper that can be ripped up. It?s a contradiction to religion. That's why it's so difficult to prove grounds for an annulment.
I hope this helps...

 

[ElFenix]

DIE NESTED QUOTERS :|

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
DIE NESTED QUOTERS :|

Shut your trap mr economics