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Would you kill ET?

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Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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At least it backed up which is much smarter than the deer i encountered last week on the side of the road.

I'd hope an alien that travels the stars is smarter than a deer. But who knows. In War of the Worlds they werent smart enough to have anti-biotics and in Signs they invade a water planet being allergic to water and not being able to negotiate a door handle.

/shrug
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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I have seen nearly every episode of x-files and dont remember that scene. That thing is freaky as fuck. That is something I would definately remember.
 

SphinxnihpS

Diamond Member
Feb 17, 2005
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You will never see aliens.

1. Space is too large for biological beings to travel in life spans. Even a biological creature that lives 1000 years would have trouble getting anywhere meaningful.

2. A space ship capable of going anywhere would be all fuel- trillions of gallons of it. That's not a disaster waiting to happen...

3. Even if the speed required became possible, it would turn ordinary smoke into projectiles of nearly infinite energy.

4. Life advanced far enough for this tech will no longer be biological. This advancement would surely also spell out miniaturization on microscopic scales. Advanced intelligences will most likely be microscopic and traveling leisurely because for all intents and purposes they are immortal.

It looks like somebody raided the special effects locker for The Thing to make that for a B movie of shit TV.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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I have seen nearly every episode of x-files and dont remember that scene. That thing is freaky as fuck. That is something I would definately remember.

I know I've seen every episode of the X-Files and I don't remember that scene. Not saying it definitely isn't, but I'm 90% sure it isn't.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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You will never see aliens.

1. Space is too large for biological beings to travel in life spans. Even a biological creature that lives 1000 years would have trouble getting anywhere meaningful.

2. A space ship capable of going anywhere would be all fuel- trillions of gallons of it. That's not a disaster waiting to happen...

3. Even if the speed required became possible, it would turn ordinary smoke into projectiles of nearly infinite energy.

4. Life advanced far enough for this tech will no longer be biological. This advancement would surely also spell out miniaturization on microscopic scales. Advanced intelligences will most likely be microscopic and traveling leisurely because for all intents and purposes they are immortal.

A whole bunch of interesting supposition and conjecture.
 

Crusty

Lifer
Sep 30, 2001
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You will never see aliens.

1. Space is too large for biological beings to travel in life spans. Even a biological creature that lives 1000 years would have trouble getting anywhere meaningful.

2. A space ship capable of going anywhere would be all fuel- trillions of gallons of it. That's not a disaster waiting to happen...

3. Even if the speed required became possible, it would turn ordinary smoke into projectiles of nearly infinite energy.

4. Life advanced far enough for this tech will no longer be biological. This advancement would surely also spell out miniaturization on microscopic scales. Advanced intelligences will most likely be microscopic and traveling leisurely because for all intents and purposes they are immortal.

It looks like somebody raided the special effects locker for The Thing to make that for a B movie of shit TV.

That's what we have today... where's your imagination?
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I would kill ET. Especially if he was stuffed with candy coated peanut butter candies. But, I would make sure nobody in Mexico knows where my secret lab was!!!
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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You will never see aliens.

1. Space is too large for biological beings to travel in life spans. Even a biological creature that lives 1000 years would have trouble getting anywhere meaningful.

2. A space ship capable of going anywhere would be all fuel- trillions of gallons of it. That's not a disaster waiting to happen...

3. Even if the speed required became possible, it would turn ordinary smoke into projectiles of nearly infinite energy.

4. Life advanced far enough for this tech will no longer be biological. This advancement would surely also spell out miniaturization on microscopic scales. Advanced intelligences will most likely be microscopic and traveling leisurely because for all intents and purposes they are immortal.

It looks like somebody raided the special effects locker for The Thing to make that for a B movie of shit TV.

i suspect you don't work in the sciences, or as an engineer, b/c you would pretty much suck at it.

We would have advanced nowhere if humans always thought as you did.
that, and your first two points are already made worthless due to theoretical possibilities (the prospect of raising at least 1 generation in pace, during travel; and either a massive store of fuel, not exactly dangerous, or the development of new energy technologies, which is certainly not happening...at all :rolleyes:)
 

preslove

Lifer
Sep 10, 2003
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I like my car too much to drive into it. I might go get a gun and shot it, though. But, that would make me an 80's sci-fi movie villain, though, so I'd probably leave it alone.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

Diamond Member
Dec 7, 2000
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digitalgamedeals.com
Alien: I bring you love.
Lenny: It's bringing love, don't let it get away!
Carl: Break its legs.
[everyone starts to advance on the alien]
Lisa: Wait! You want an alien? This is your alien.
[Shines torch on alien to reveal Mr. Burns in a twisted and disoriented state]
Mr. Burns: [in a high-toned voice] Hello, children. I bring you love.
Willy: Argh. It's a monster. Kill it, kill it!
Smithers: It's not a monster, it's Mr. Burns!
Willy: Aww, it's Mr. Burns! KILL IT! KILL IT!
 

Rubycon

Madame President
Aug 10, 2005
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A civilized person tries to handle things diplomatically rather than sending some gun slinging dummies in there creating a bloodbath.
 

guyver01

Lifer
Sep 25, 2000
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Gun slinging dummies are what made this country great!


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And don't you forget it!
 

SphinxnihpS

Diamond Member
Feb 17, 2005
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i suspect you don't work in the sciences, or as an engineer, b/c you would pretty much suck at it.

We would have advanced nowhere if humans always thought as you did.
that, and your first two points are already made worthless due to theoretical possibilities (the prospect of raising at least 1 generation in pace, during travel; and either a massive store of fuel, not exactly dangerous, or the development of new energy technologies, which is certainly not happening...at all :rolleyes:)

1. At C we could get across our galaxy in 100,000 years. OUR GALAXY! Our tiny speck of a galaxy out of billions of them. The next nearest galaxy is several time further away than our galaxy is wide. They are all accelerating away. Unless we find a way to make cosmic shortcuts possible, or make mass exceed C, we will never go anywhere very far really. The prospects of either are dismal.

2. We basically just cancelled manned Moon and Mars mission within our lifetime. Alternate means of propulsion will all be the slow infinite acceleration type because we don't want to drag so much juice around, using most of the energy produced to move the fuel itself. These types of craft won't carry much fuel, but will take eons to get up to a reasonable speed. Oh yeah, none of them are expected anytime soon.

3. We can't even prove wormholes exist much less open one wide enough to travel through. Even if we could, quantum mechanics suggest we can not predict where it goes. Opening one to a reasonable size presents the same energy requirement problem as attaining C, infinite energy would be required.

4. Trips would be one-way. No reports of anything will ever come back in a lifetime or even several thousand, so even if someone managed to get half way across the galaxy, we would never hear about it.

5. We are pretty decent at getting to the planets in our own solar system, but even then we require to wait, sometimes years) for perfect windows to get gravity assists from planets like Jupiter. Calculating the route to distant starts would require knowledge of all massive objects along the way, most of which we can not see. We can't even see into the Kuiper belt very well. Let's not forget that what we see is where something was X years ago. The exact vector of a distant star can not be calculated with any precision. This will not change anytime soon.

6. Space is bad for you. Zero gravity and radiation make space very unhealthy for astronauts. Not to mention humans do not do well in cramped quarters. Remember the Biosphere II people? They pretty much wanted to kill each other after a short time. NASA worries about this problem more than any other when thinking about going to MARS! That trip is only 6 months one-way max.

7. The same problems will exist for any other intelligent life.

8. It is thought by smarter people than me, that the number of intelligent civilizations in the universe range from zero to in the billions (based on the Drake equation). even at the upper bound, that is very few intelligent civilization per galaxy (less than .01). Why would they come here. The sheer odds say they won't.

9. I can say with some certainty that "You"r (biological at the very least) life will end within the next 100 years. The odds of you going anywhere, or anyone coming here during your lifetime are virtually nil.

10. The points I made about machine intelligence and miniaturization are base of others' ideas. Simply stated they are thus: humans have evolved to this point through biological processes which take millions of years. The hallmark of human evolution is sufficient intelligence for abstract thought. A result of this is that we have been able to better our chances of survival and our capabilities in total, with technology. This is basically taking charge of our own evolution. The next logical step is to accelerate our evolution by integrating with our thinking machines. This will give us several advantages, including longer life span, networked intelligence, and the ability to design bodies to travel the universe in (or anywhere else). At this point we will no longer care about the time it takes to get somewhere. Other sufficiently advanced intelligent life forms will come down the same path. information density is expected to be many orders of magnitude higher by then, so our bodies won't have to be large, in fact they would be far more efficient in small sizes. 1,000,000,000 human brains in 1cm^3.

This one goes to 11. I am just parroting the above from the collective wisdom of scientists whose job it is to make such conjectures. I'm sure my skepticism precludes me from having anything to do with science...

As far as does other life exist, I think it exists everywhere. I think we don't understand 1/1,000,000,000 of the things there are to understand about life. There could be life in the heart of the Sun for all we know. Each time we thought we knew anything, life surprised us. I suspect it will continue to do so.

I also suspect that some day life from different parts of the universe will meet up. It will just be a long time from now, and will require a universe literally saturated with intelligence. So I think you have me mistaken somewhat here, so put your little straw man away and elaborate as to why you think I'm wrong.
 
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