Would you cheat?

[TallBill]

Only if she's hot.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: randay
maybe its a test. maybe theres no way it could be finished in 4 hours legit.

how can the prof possibly prove that it cant be done in 4 hours? Also, the easy fix is to take the test legit to see if it can be done in 4 hours, and if it can, go back and look up stuff.

 

[Jeff7]

Weird. I've had take-home exams, and every one was open book, open notes. The only time limit on them was the due date.


It's quite possible to make an exam challenging, even if you've got plenty of supplemental resources at your disposal.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Bibble
Even with an honor code, it's asking students to cheat.

A true measure of honesty is how you behave even if no one knows it but you.

If you cheat, you are a dishonest person. Throw out disclaimers, excuses, and "Goody two-shoes" insults - but you can't argue and rationalize with facts.

Not arguing here, but honesty is overrated to some extent. I would rather have the "A" and be "dishonest" than have the "B" and be honest. I can easily go to sleep at night knowing I used the book and notes.

 

[Sumguy]

Your professor is an idiot.

 

[randay]

you should have asked if you were allowed to cheat, as long as you dont get caught.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
A true measure of honesty is how you behave even if no one knows it but you.

More properly worded:

Character is what we do when no one is watching.

I don't cheat even when I know I can without being caught. It's just an ethical thing for me...at least academically.

In boot camp, one drill instructor insisted that "If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin!"
but that was in reference to fighting and in combat. No one remembers the loser...and the loser goes home in a bag.

 

[Bibble]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Sounds like your complaint is bogus. Why isn't it feasible that someone wrote twice as much as you? I used to come out of exams, ask others how much they wrote, and they wrote often quite a lot more than me. And these were timed exams not take-home.

First, the only way anyone could have had enough specific information to write 5 pages (and at 2.5 pages an hour!) would have been to use the book. Secondly, some of the kids who I saw get these long papers back did not demonstrate any knowledge of the material while in class, didn't participate, were absent frequently, etc. Thirdly, two people told me they took more time and they got A-'s.

As ckGunslinger said, you can't rationalize it as not being dishonest. I wish I had cheated, though. It was stupid to let my GPA suffer while those who broke the rules got ahead. I busted my ass but still only managed to pull off a B+. Thankfully, the second test was a pop test, which balanced things out a bit.

 

[SneakyStuff]

"Cheating" on something as trivial as this is not an ethical dilemma. It only matters if it bothers you.

 

[Terzo]

For what it's worth, I don't intend to cheat, but I don't trust several of my classmates.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
The teacher is covering his ass.
Obviously its open note/book if its takehome. If they cared AT ALL about ethics & morals they would have it in class.

Agreed

 

[SilentZero]

I have never had a take home that wasn't open book/notes.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
The teacher is covering his ass.
Obviously its open note/book if its takehome. If they cared AT ALL about ethics & morals they would have it in class.

I completely agree with this statement. I've been a TA for a couple years now, and the teacher is covering their ass, while doing you a favor at the same time.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I'd do it without cheating at first, but I'd probably check it using my notes just to at least make sure I passed, but I would make sure to not get 100% on it.

In fact, it's probably a trap, if someone hands it in with 100% mark they probably fail on the spot because it will be obvious they cheated. (depending how hard the test is, and I would expect a no time limit test to be harder)

 

[Leros]

Problem is that classes are curved. You know that a good majority of the class is going to cheat. If you don't cheat too, you'll be left behind in the curve.

Sadly, I would have to ago against my ethics and cheat. I wouldn't work together, but I might look up a few things.

 

[CKent]

No, but I always aced tests. If I were stupid I would probably cheat.

 

[grohl]

dont cheat.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
The teacher is covering his ass.
Obviously its open note/book if its takehome. If they cared AT ALL about ethics & morals they would have it in class.

I'm not sure you really understand what ethics and morals are...

 

[mugs]

Consider this - if you are found to have cheated, the minimum punishment you are likely to receive is an F for the course. Suspension for a semester is not an uncommon punishment for academic dishonesty. You can argue all you want that the professor should have made it more difficult for you to cheat, but that won't affect your punishment. Assuming your ethics don't prevent you from cheating, you have to weigh the potential for getting caught against the severity fo the punishment.

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: shortylickens
The teacher is covering his ass.
Obviously its open note/book if its takehome. If they cared AT ALL about ethics & morals they would have it in class.

I'm not sure you really understand what ethics and morals are...

Check the title bar of your browser, realize where you are, and don't be so shocked

This is pretty bad when someone from jersey is telling everyone else that this is unethical. And my apologies to my fellow new jerseyans who might be offended, but we know its true.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Sumguy
Your professor is living in a fantasy land.

fixed... that, and don't cheat

 

[PlasmaBomb]

I think this applies...

Link

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Terzo
So your professor is giving a final exam. She announces that it will be a take home, with the following restrictions:
1. It is closed book.
2. It is closed note.
3. You have four hours to spend on it.

As far as I'm concerned, this is asking for students to cheat. You'd have to be an idiot to get caught. In the end, I think this will only end up hurting the honest students.

Opinions?

The Prof is an idiot. Every single student will cheat.

I've had take home exams before, and they are usually open note, open book, open Internet. There also usually some of the most difficult tests you'll ever take because you can't just Google the answer or look in the Glossary or Index of the text book.

 

[novasatori]

I would use my notes and/or book and would definitely not work with other students or look up solutions online, I would however have people with more experience in said coursework check my answers for me and give me a simple yes/no are they correct.

and this pretty much sums up why:

Originally posted by: Leros
Problem is that classes are curved. You know that a good majority of the class is going to cheat. If you don't cheat too, you'll be left behind in the curve.

Sadly, I would have to ago against my ethics and cheat. I wouldn't work together, but I might look up a few things.

As an accounting undergrad there were plenty of people who had old tests (which remained nearly identical throughout the years) and people who had CPA parents do their take home test/homework.

I had no problem looking up stuff in books if it was take home.

 

[ShawnD1]

One of my teachers did something like this just a few weeks ago. He gave out an hour long test (not a final), he stayed in the room for 20 minutes, then he left for about half an hour.

It just happened to be in a class where the marks were really low and a lot of people were failing. I think he wanted a bunch of people to cheat in order to bring the average up. Unfortunately it didn't work since the people in the class who knew what was going on chose not to cheat (why risk getting a zero?) and the people who had the most to gain from cheating gained absolutely nothing because they were sharing answers with other people who didn't understand it!

The marks for that test were just as bad as every other test. Some people did really well. Lots of people did horrible. Cheating didn't help.