Would the world benefit if we combined all countries

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BoberFett

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Not "Countries", but some new Institution that is above "Country". It's the more Evolutionary thing. First you had Family, then Tribe, the Cities, then Counties, then Nations, Then Nation Alliances, etc.

And we see how well that's working.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Craig234
Seems very likely to me this will happen, in some form - it may be an EU-like consolidation.

One main question is, how will the new entities be set up in terms of 'people's rights'?

This is no longer a few guys who get together in secret and draft something that suits their whims, unfortunately, the example of China is pretty relevant in what can happen.

This will never happen ever ever ever in Europe....

Truth be told nobody trusts each other and nobody has yet forgotten ww1 or ww2.....
sure you may see these countries having photo ops and supposedly communicating but the truth is.......nobody will ever trust the Germans.
In fact one thing you will often hear from people is that what the Germans`s could not do in ww2 they are trying to do through the EU....
There are many countries....that just do not trust the Germans!!
Sorry that`s the truth.


That is absurd.

I think you are grossly mis-informed.
 

gingermeggs

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Such a formation of countries would probably regress into a type of neo-imperialism, the Austro-Hungarian empire or the United Kingdom would be a good example, some countries would get the arse end of the deal. History always repeats, even with advancing technology, sometimes its the actual catalyst for conflict.
Many countries still dislike or have personal grudges about the Germans and the other axis allies, even if they trade together, like Russia, Poland or Israel. Australia, China, Korea for example with the japs.
But, we only have one perspective, depends on where you gather your information from at the end of the day, depends on if you lost half your family in that war .
Lest we forget.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Such a formation of countries would probably regress into a type of neo-imperialism, the Austro-Hungarian empire or the United Kingdom would be a good example, some countries would get the arse end of the deal. History always repeats, even with advancing technology, sometimes its the actual catalyst for conflict.
Many countries still dislike or have personal grudges about the Germans and the other axis allies, even if they trade together, like Russia, Poland or Israel. Australia, China, Korea for example with the japs.
But, we only have one perspective, depends on where you gather your information from at the end of the day, depends on if you lost half your family in that war .
Lest we forget.

Are you aware that the term "Japs" is generally considered to be an ethnic slur?
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The Europeans and England created* Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Israel and look how much trouble that caused.

*I could be wrong but aren't India, and a number of Africans countries also examples of this?

most of africa and the middle east and se asia were carved up fake countries.

the same applies to latin america, but the native population was effectively exterminated there so their own nationality developed over 300 years of colonization
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The Europeans and England created* Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Israel and look how much trouble that caused.

*I could be wrong but aren't India, and a number of Africans countries also examples of this?

most of africa and the middle east and se asia were carved up fake countries.

the same applies to latin america, but the native population was effectively exterminated there so their own nationality developed over 300 years of colonization

Same as the USA.


edit: Actually, in Latin America there was more assimilation, less extermination than in North America.
 

cubeless

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larger countries are considered for the same reason that larger companies are considered: someone wants to be in charge of more than they are currently... and the result tends to be the same: they become ungovernable...

but this doesn't stop the power-hungry from coming up with new excuses to try again...
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: Red Irish
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Craig234
Seems very likely to me this will happen, in some form - it may be an EU-like consolidation.

One main question is, how will the new entities be set up in terms of 'people's rights'?

This is no longer a few guys who get together in secret and draft something that suits their whims, unfortunately, the example of China is pretty relevant in what can happen.

This will never happen ever ever ever in Europe....

Truth be told nobody trusts each other and nobody has yet forgotten ww1 or ww2.....
sure you may see these countries having photo ops and supposedly communicating but the truth is.......nobody will ever trust the Germans.
In fact one thing you will often hear from people is that what the Germans`s could not do in ww2 they are trying to do through the EU....
There are many countries....that just do not trust the Germans!!
Sorry that`s the truth.

As a European, I have to point out that you are talking absolute nonsense.

Confirmed.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
As a European myself born in Poland I have to say-- I know very well what I am talking about!!
You would be suprised what is said about the German`s in very high places.
You would also be suprised the feelings concerning ww2 that are being dealt with even among such nations as France!!

Well that explains it then. A lot of Poles hate the Germans but the rest of us really don't. I guess we english hate them in a sort of we-kicked-your-ass-ha-ha way, but we hate the French much more, and they never did anything to us. Not for a few centuries anyway.

I heard a Polish representitive suggest Poland should have more votes in the EU to reflet the fact their population would have been nearly double what it is now if it wasn't for the Germans...





 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Red Irish
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Red Irish
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Craig234
Seems very likely to me this will happen, in some form - it may be an EU-like consolidation.

One main question is, how will the new entities be set up in terms of 'people's rights'?

This is no longer a few guys who get together in secret and draft something that suits their whims, unfortunately, the example of China is pretty relevant in what can happen.

This will never happen ever ever ever in Europe....

Truth be told nobody trusts each other and nobody has yet forgotten ww1 or ww2.....
sure you may see these countries having photo ops and supposedly communicating but the truth is.......nobody will ever trust the Germans.
In fact one thing you will often hear from people is that what the Germans`s could not do in ww2 they are trying to do through the EU....
There are many countries....that just do not trust the Germans!!
Sorry that`s the truth.

As a European, I have to point out that you are talking absolute nonsense.

As a European myself born in Poland I have to say-- I know very well what I am talking about!!
You would be suprised what is said about the German`s in very high places.
You would also be suprised the feelings concerning ww2 that are being dealt with even among such nations as France!!

You, thankfully, do not speak for all Europeans. I don't know about "very high places", but little of what you say would surprise me. You consistently show yourself to be a complete ass.

The pot calling the kettle Black.......
Thankfully I don`t speak for all Europeans!! but it`s European`s like you who when you finally do wake up, will understand why the EU is not a good thing!!

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Atheus
I heard a Polish representitive suggest Poland should have more votes in the EU to reflet the fact their population would have been nearly double what it is now if it wasn't for the Germans...

There's actually a certain logic to such an idea - it's just outweighed by the arguments against it.

In a way, the creation of Israel was the same sort of 'compensate for the harm of the Germans' policy for the Jewish people.

But the impractiicalities of a perpetual 'artifical population count' for Poland are clearly not very workable - while in contrast, Israel clearly has no real operational challenges.:)
 

YoungGun21

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Originally posted by: Andrew1990
I was just wondering what the benefits and disadvantages were to this idea I had.


The idea is to combine all countries on this planet into 3 or 4 large countries. For example, the entire American continent would most likely be one of these countries. Another one may be the Asian countries and then the Europeans and Middle East.

Would this help strengthen everyone or is this just a stupid idea? I understand that some groups of people would rather not form into some other groups of people(French and British ring a bell) but overall it should increase ease of governmental burden for each super nation, correct?

Ok I think you covered just about everyone... wait...

What about Africa, Australia, Iceland, or Greenland?

Would South America and North America combine? That would be slightly unfair because it would be much larger than the other "countries".
 

tk149

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We all can't even get along here in AT P&N, and we all speak English (well, mostly)! :p

Anyway, the bigger the government, the less say any single person has in how it rules, and therefore the less accountability the government has to the people. Less accountability -> greater inefficiency -> even bigger government.
 
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As long as resources are not unlimited and there is religion your idea will not work.

If all of North and South America were one country how would you split up the resources? People from Mexico down have a much higher percentage of being dirt poor? Should the wealthier part of the new nation continents shoulder the burden of the lazy and poor even more than they do now? Should the ones that provide the most for the nation, get less so that the lazy and poor can have more food on their table? It sounds "fair" but when you take food out of the mouths of people, regardless of it being "fair" or not, you'er going to create unrest. And that unrest will lead to action and that action will ultimately lead to the destruction of such a large country.
 

Elias824

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We will never get along, it is more to do with social groups and such then countries. It would solve nothing, probably create more problems because small groups who used to be their own nation would then feel un-represented. Now of course there is the whole argument of how this is utterly impractical to do, who sets the standards for this, who makes up these new countries cuts the borders?
It will slowly happen in some sense greater amounts of global commerce, and large coorperation spanning the world but not really in the same sense.
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The Europeans and England created* Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Israel and look how much trouble that caused.

*I could be wrong but aren't India, and a number of Africans countries also examples of this?

There's a ye olde english saying "as successful as Africa"
I can state for a fact your words about jugoslavia are absolute rubbish!

How about we talk about Boze and his Indian nationalists, their allegiance with nazi germany and the japs, and when they did field an army combined with a contingent of japs they got smashed by her majesty's finest!
We lifted you heathens out of the mud!
God' what a mistake!
now get back to your call centre!
blesav pizda!

Wow...nutcase alert.
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Thanks for proving my point about bigotry mani.

You're right - I guess I am bigoted against bigots.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: bgeh
Originally posted by: Red Irish
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Craig234
Seems very likely to me this will happen, in some form - it may be an EU-like consolidation.

One main question is, how will the new entities be set up in terms of 'people's rights'?

This is no longer a few guys who get together in secret and draft something that suits their whims, unfortunately, the example of China is pretty relevant in what can happen.

This will never happen ever ever ever in Europe....

Truth be told nobody trusts each other and nobody has yet forgotten ww1 or ww2.....
sure you may see these countries having photo ops and supposedly communicating but the truth is.......nobody will ever trust the Germans.
In fact one thing you will often hear from people is that what the Germans`s could not do in ww2 they are trying to do through the EU....
There are many countries....that just do not trust the Germans!!
Sorry that`s the truth.

As a European, I have to point out that you are talking absolute nonsense.
Agreed. The 'storyline' of the EU is that a Union will prevent any future occurence of such a bloody war, and it's built on French-German reconciliation

I wouldn't be surprised if there's still some lingering animosity towards Germany in Europe. Especially in Poland, but I think Western Europe moved past all that decades ago.

There's lingering hostility in the United States former confedercacy against the North, but don't look for war. Both war and peace are driven by economic interests of the wealthy.

WWII was caused by centrally economic issues and the regional consolidations in this thread are as well - see NAFTA and then CAFTA for a start.
 

glenn1

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Originally posted by: Andrew1990
I was just wondering what the benefits and disadvantages were to this idea I had.


The idea is to combine all countries on this planet into 3 or 4 large countries. For example, the entire American continent would most likely be one of these countries. Another one may be the Asian countries and then the Europeans and Middle East.

Would this help strengthen everyone or is this just a stupid idea? I understand that some groups of people would rather not form into some other groups of people(French and British ring a bell) but overall it should increase ease of governmental burden for each super nation, correct?

"Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia."
 

Red Irish

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Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Originally posted by: Red Irish
Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The Europeans and England created* Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Israel and look how much trouble that caused.

*I could be wrong but aren't India, and a number of Africans countries also examples of this?

There's a ye olde english saying "as successful as Africa"
I can state for a fact your words about jugoslavia are absolute rubbish!

How about we talk about Boze and his Indian nationalists, their allegiance with nazi germany and the japs, and when they did field an army combined with a contingent of japs they got smashed by her majesty's finest!
We lifted you heathens out of the mud!
God' what a mistake!
now get back to your call centre!
blesav pizda!

You are a racist idiot, thank you for sharing the thoughts of your bigotted little mind.
Sure I'm a bigot, just like everybody else!
Get back to me when you learn to spell bigoted, Mick.
By the way, hows the job hunting going?
Maybe we could change that saying to something more contemporary?
like- as successful as the Irish economy!
The Irish republicans were also Nazi sympathizers, a fair number of them in the Wehrmacht.
I think ww2 demonstrates that there will never be even partial world unity, not until its a last resort or the last man standing.

How's the brain hunting going? Incidentally, I'm from the North, so your post doesn't apply - nice example of trolling though and further evidence of your bigotry.

 

piasabird

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Take a look at how the soviet union worked and you will see that the net benefit (Joke) is corruption on a large scale and multiple levels of bureaucracy, that keep anything useful from being accomplished.

How I view the EU is as a large organization to promote European Control and to exclude any outside entrance into European Markets from north and south american continents. They fear freedom and anything resembling an open market when that market is from the United States.
 

ahurtt

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No, the larger the population and the more expansive the area to be governed, the harder it is to maintain control and cohesion among disparate sub-groups and cultures within the macro population. It might be a good idea in principle but it isn't really very pragmatic. World history isn't exactly my forté but didn't the Roman empire at one time span a large part of the known world during it's time? For one reason or another I don't think that ended up working out too well for them after some time.

Until the very existence of our planet or our species as a whole is directly, evidently, and immediately threatened in a way where the evidence is incontrovertible (invasion by hostile space-aliens like in a sci-fi movie for example) different human cultures will continue to focus more on their uniqueness and individuality rather than band together and focus on what ties us all together and unites us all as a species. What's worse is that everybody knows this. . .we all realize this. Yet we stubbornly hold steadfast to our ways.