Would the real 28-32 inch monitor for GAMING please stand up!!

[boglwe]

The sharp apparently has the contrast issue. All the other 32 inch are low resolution. The 30 inch displays from Dell and Samsung seem to have problems with lag while FPS gaming. Man, I am going mad trying to find the right monitor. Currently, I have the old school Samsung 24 inch. I love it, but want something bigger, I am thinking about going for 2 of these or maybe a 27 inch. What to do What to do. help me please!!! ???

 

[JPB]

Look for xtknight and ask him. He is the monitor/tv guru of ATOT.

 

[boglwe]

I currently have the oldschool Samsung 24 incher, love it, its the best of the best for 24inchers. I would like something a bit bigger though to play games on.
Here is the deal... There is information scattered across this forums and the net regarding these large displays. You basically have a few choices.
1. Dell 30inchers, there are two now
2. HP 30 incher
3. Samsung 30 incher.
4. viewsonic and hanns G 28 inchers, both TN, so their veiwable angle is really bad.
5. Sharp Aquas 32 gaming HDTV.
6. Westinghouse 37 1080p. I have heard bad things about FPS performance on these, so its out.

Well, I have been up all night combing everything regarding these monitors. The only thing I need to know is Monitor Lag in gaming, if its Ok or better I will read more, BUT, nobody EVER talks about these things, and it seems the people who actually are using them must be occupied with their gaming cause they are not responding. The lag issue, apparently removes the Samsung and Dell and Westinghouse from the mix.
The Viewable angle issue removes the two 28 inchers.

So NOW, we are left with two choices
1. HP 30 incher for $1300+, BUT HAVE NOT FOUND ANY INFORMATION REGARDING GAMING ON THIS LCD.
2. Sharp 32inch HDTV 1080p. This looks So promising until I found that it has a serious contrast issue when surfing the web. It will dynamically change the contrast so that you cant read text, VERY ANNOYING and you cant turn it off. This would be IDEAL for big screen gaming as its loaded with excellent features until some idiot says "here, lets make sure this thing changes contrast when it thinks its should without the preference of the owner" pffft, Pissed me to no heck and that is what actually started this 36 hour hunt now for the perfect large screen monitor.

So, lets all put our heads and expereince together and see what we can come up with. I am toast and need serious help. I care about 3 things in my monitor and nothing else really, I dont want bells and whistles like USB and all that junk, but dont care to have it though if these 3 things are all good or better

1. Very little to no lag when playing games like Counterstrike or BF2
2. Large viewing angle for those times when friends come over to watch or you want to watch a movie
3. Equal or Greater then 1080p, thats 1900x1080

Any and all experience with these monitors are much appreciated. But please, lets talk about gaming performance please.

O yea, these are only my opinions based on what i have read on the net. It could all be wrong, so please help me.

i merged your 2 threads since they were so similar and the older one became active again.
Use the "Edit" button to change your Title and/or summary to reflect any changes in your question or topic instead of creating a new one please.
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[n7]

Seriously, as i mentioned in my PM to you, there is really no major issue with response times or input lag on good LCDs.

I'm not sure why you think there is, but if there was such a problem, it WOULD be largely discussed.

No, LCDs aren't flawless, but i think you're looking for a problem that really isn't one.

I assume your current monitor is 1920x1200?

If so, getting another 1920x1200 display isn't going to be as noticeable of an upgrade, & i will not cease promoting the benefits of a whopping 2560x1600

If you want to spend a ton on the display but nothing on the video card, then obviously a 30" won't be ideal, but somehow i'd say your gaming priorities are a tad mixed up in that case.

Yes, you can run a lower resolution with black bars surrounding if your card can't handle every game @ native rez, which allows you to not worry about getting the absolute best video card for running it to an extent.

And gaming aside (which looks absolutely glorious at 2560x1600), general use is wonderful, since the higher resolution allows for drastic increase in working space on the desktop, making 1920x1200 look pretty tiny.

If all you want is a physically larger display & you don't care about actual viewing area, then the 1080p TV LCDs tend to become an attractive option IMO.

Overall though, based on the fact you already have a nice 24" (is it LCD or CRT; you didn't say), i'd recommend the 3007WFP-HC or the HP LP3065.

Dell pros: USB hub & card reader
HP pros: triple DVI input


Good luck with the decision.

 

[boglwe]

Ok, thanks again. and yes the current is 1920x1200. I am building a whole new rig with either 2x8800 ultras or 1x8800 ultra. I think your right. I think my only choice then is the Dell or HP. I jsut wish somone would post in here saying. I use the Dell with Counterstrike source and I LOVE IT. Thats really all I need to hear. heh

 

[n7]

Err, i have the older Dell, & CS:S is great.

The newer HC one is even better than mine, so yeah...

If you want to read through 1,876 comments on the Dell 3007WFP/WFP-HC, here you go: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1017391

I believe there's an official LP3065 thread there too, but i can't find it, since search is being ghay...

 

[boglwe]

Ok, well, They are both the same price about, hopefully they will drop a few hundred before sept 10. I will read thru all that, I just dont like to give dell or Hp my money really. but o well, if its a good product, they might win me over.

 

[Redox]

I am very happy with my Samsung 305T which is used primarily for gaming and other desktop use. No issues with lag that I can discern and hard to go back to anything smaller once you get used to the screen space.

Reveiw on Trusted Reviews was also quite positive.

Trusted Reviews link

If you don't care about HDMI and other video inputs, it is an outstanding PC monitor.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Redox
I am very happy with my Samsung 305T which is used primarily for gaming and other desktop use. No issues with lag that I can discern and hard to go back to anything smaller once you get used to the screen space.

Reveiw on Trusted Reviews was also quite positive.

Trusted Reviews link

If you don't care about HDMI and other video inputs, it is an outstanding PC monitor.

Yeah I would go with that screen as well. It has a 6ms response time compared to 11ms on the Dell.

 

[boglwe]

Darn, thats actually the one i wanted (Samsung that is). I have had the 24 incher 244t for a long time and I simply love it, But, when I looked at the Samsung 30 incher, this was a quote from the first reviewer I read.

"Pros: It's big. High resolution for alot of space and apps. Good for CG work and 3D programmings.
Cons: Definitly bad for gaming. I test it out on a few games that has fast pace and changing scenes, which requires alot of processing from the monitor. 5 ms response rate on a resolution that high is not good enough. There were so much lagging on the screen, it wasn't even funny. Just in case you are wondering, I use a ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, Athlon 64 X2 6000+, Corsair XMS2 Dominator 2GB DDR2 800, XFX Geforce 8800 GTX XXX 768, and etc. So some of those who might think it's just my PC or graphic card, your wrong. Plus, you can tell the difference between monitor and graphic lag. This monitor seriously is not made for gaming. It does not have the power and speed to process quick pixel color, or scene changes. I'm sure not even a 2ms responds is fast enough for that high of a resolution. People who think its fast enough for gaming is wrong. They probably don't know what they are talking about. Also, having movie stretch out on this monitor is not as good as it seems.
Other Thoughts: Way too expensive for a monitor that can't even handle games that uses the max resolution. Waste of money. It's only good if you use it for applications and pictures."

I quily stoped looking at it, I will buy this right away if you are correct about this, going to read the trusted review now.

 

[boglwe]

Oh yea, the Samsung is not HDCP compatible, that puts it right out. Sadly.

 

[Fayd]

question... can a 37+ inch 1080P TV, (LCD) function passably as a primary computer monitor?

 

[boglwe]

I have no idea, there are two that look real nice, the Spectre and the Westinghouse.

 

[alaricljs]

No 30" 2560x1600 monitor is HDCP. This is because HDCP cannot work over dual-link DVI.

 

[Redox]

According to the Dell web page, the 3007 WFP is HDCP compliant but your comment is interesting.

Originally posted by: boglwe
Darn, thats actually the one i wanted (Samsung that is). I have had the 24 incher 244t for a long time and I simply love it, But, when I looked at the Samsung 30 incher, this was a quote from the first reviewer I read.

"Pros: It's big. High resolution for alot of space and apps. Good for CG work and 3D programmings.
Cons: Definitly bad for gaming. I test it out on a few games that has fast pace and changing scenes, which requires alot of processing from the monitor. 5 ms response rate on a resolution that high is not good enough. There were so much lagging on the screen, it wasn't even funny. Just in case you are wondering, I use a ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, Athlon 64 X2 6000+, Corsair XMS2 Dominator 2GB DDR2 800, XFX Geforce 8800 GTX XXX 768, and etc. So some of those who might think it's just my PC or graphic card, your wrong. Plus, you can tell the difference between monitor and graphic lag. This monitor seriously is not made for gaming. It does not have the power and speed to process quick pixel color, or scene changes. I'm sure not even a 2ms responds is fast enough for that high of a resolution. People who think its fast enough for gaming is wrong. They probably don't know what they are talking about. Also, having movie stretch out on this monitor is not as good as it seems.
Other Thoughts: Way too expensive for a monitor that can't even handle games that uses the max resolution. Waste of money. It's only good if you use it for applications and pictures."

I quily stoped looking at it, I will buy this right away if you are correct about this, going to read the trusted review now.

Although lag is a bit subjective for different people, this reviewer is out to lunch. I have tried out a variety of fast paced FPS games such as Quake 4 or Prey - yes it is demanding on video hardware to play at 25x16 but it is not due to a lag issue with the monitor (at least not one I can discern). I am using an X2 4400 with an 8800 GTX Ultra and performance is fine.

Again, if you are planning to watch movies or hook up your Xbox 360, this may not be your best bet (buy a HDTV!) but as a gaming monitor I am quite pleased with it.

If you are insistent on HDCP compliance, there is this work round which I came across on another forum thread:

Slysoft link

 

[boglwe]

Originally posted by: Redox
According to the Dell web page, the 3007 WFP is HDCP compliant but your comment is interesting.

Originally posted by: boglwe
Darn, thats actually the one i wanted (Samsung that is). I have had the 24 incher 244t for a long time and I simply love it, But, when I looked at the Samsung 30 incher, this was a quote from the first reviewer I read.

"Pros: It's big. High resolution for alot of space and apps. Good for CG work and 3D programmings.
Cons: Definitly bad for gaming. I test it out on a few games that has fast pace and changing scenes, which requires alot of processing from the monitor. 5 ms response rate on a resolution that high is not good enough. There were so much lagging on the screen, it wasn't even funny. Just in case you are wondering, I use a ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, Athlon 64 X2 6000+, Corsair XMS2 Dominator 2GB DDR2 800, XFX Geforce 8800 GTX XXX 768, and etc. So some of those who might think it's just my PC or graphic card, your wrong. Plus, you can tell the difference between monitor and graphic lag. This monitor seriously is not made for gaming. It does not have the power and speed to process quick pixel color, or scene changes. I'm sure not even a 2ms responds is fast enough for that high of a resolution. People who think its fast enough for gaming is wrong. They probably don't know what they are talking about. Also, having movie stretch out on this monitor is not as good as it seems.
Other Thoughts: Way too expensive for a monitor that can't even handle games that uses the max resolution. Waste of money. It's only good if you use it for applications and pictures."

I quily stoped looking at it, I will buy this right away if you are correct about this, going to read the trusted review now.

Although lag is a bit subjective for different people, this reviewer is out to lunch. I have tried out a variety of fast paced FPS games such as Quake 4 or Prey - yes it is demanding on video hardware to play at 25x16 but it is not due to a lag issue with the monitor (at least not one I can discern). I am using an X2 4400 with an 8800 GTX Ultra and performance is fine.

Again, if you are planning to watch movies or hook up your Xbox 360, this may not be your best bet (buy a HDTV!) but as a gaming monitor I am quite pleased with it.

If you are insistent on HDCP compliance, there is this work round which I came across on another forum thread:

Slysoft link

Wow, thats what I thought, About that Hidef stuff, I really just want to watch a few hidef channels from my comcast cable provider, thats about it, the rest is for editing work and then ofcourse, pure gaming goodness. So, what do you think about that? Will it display hidef TV from a cable box? If you say yes, then its a go, and thats probably what I will go with.

 

[SickBeast]

OP: The 3007 will not play HDTV. I don't think there are any 2560x1600 screens that can do it.

They run on dual link DVI; the HDTV boxes don't output to dual link.

IMO you should get the 37" Westinghouse.

 

[Redox]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
OP: The 3007 will not play HDTV. I don't think there are any 2560x1600 screens that can do it.

They run on dual link DVI; the HDTV boxes don't output to dual link.

IMO you should get the 37" Westinghouse.

I am puzzled by what Dell means when they say it is HDCP compliant then ...

In any case, I can't say whether any of the 30" monitors can handle HDTV - it's not what I use it for. What I can say is that it's great for games and other PC application use.

 

[alaricljs]

Perhaps for the new model they enable a single link mode (at lower res) with scaling and HDCP? But the HDCP specifications cannot be made to work over dual link DVI.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: boglwe
The sharp apparently has the contrast issue.

Not familiar with that; I had a 62U (1080p model) for a month and was impressed, particularly with an 8800GTS/320 driving it at 1920x12xx.

 

[lavaheadache]

My Roomate hooked his Westinghouse 37 inch to his rig and played oblivion on it for a couple days I was blown away how nice it was, but I'm pretty attached to my Dell 2407 for everyday use. We had to sit back at least 3 feet from the Westy

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Redox

Originally posted by: SickBeast
OP: The 3007 will not play HDTV. I don't think there are any 2560x1600 screens that can do it.

They run on dual link DVI; the HDTV boxes don't output to dual link.

IMO you should get the 37" Westinghouse.

I am puzzled by what Dell means when they say it is HDCP compliant then ...

In any case, I can't say whether any of the 30" monitors can handle HDTV - it's not what I use it for. What I can say is that it's great for games and other PC application use.

Yeah I saw the HP screen running at Costco and was blown away by it. Very crisp and very big for Windows use.

I'm pretty sure Costco wanted $2500CDN for just the screen.

 

[Fraggable]

I play CS:S and BF2 on my 1080P Westinghouse 37" and have never once had lag or ghosting issues. It's just plain stunning.

 

[boglwe]

Yes, but where to get the Westinghouse. It looks good, But where to get it. I like the Samsung too.

At this time, the Westinghouse 37w3 is not even found on the Westinghouse website.

 

[Fraggable]

I got mine at costco.com a while back when it was $900. It doesn't appear to be there anymore, interesting. I didn't think they were discontinuing it.