Would performance of a CPU decrease if ...

[Zenoth]

A few pins (as in three) were accidentally curved and then "replaced" almost as they were ?

 

[fire400]

fine if so

but if they fell out, the CPU is "over" like game over lol

edit: that is how you start running computers like the one in my sig...

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: fire400
fine if so

but if they fell out, the CPU is "over" like game over lol

edit: that is how you start running computers like the one in my sig...
Pentium MMX 133 MHz w/artic silver 5
32MB RAM (SD 66)
8x CD-ROM (ATAPI)
Trident 4MB SVGA w/22" CRT
Turtlebeach 4.1 Multimedia Edition

:Q
:shocked:

 

[crispy2010]

Some pins can break off and the cpu will not be affected. It all depends on which pin has come off, a lot of them are just grnd pins!

 

[Zenoth]

They didn't break off. They were curved a little during installation process, three of them, on one of the four sides/edges, in the middle of the edge. No other pins were affected.

So, technically, if I play games, and I see no freezing, nothing related to the CPU, it means it's alright ?

I'm just wondering ...

If curved pins bend back in place almost as it was would cause a problem ... then wouldn't it just not work at all ? Wouldn't it just freeze ?

I just don't know if it would cease to function, or simply decrease in terms of performance.

 

[Screech]

I'm pretty sure that it will either work, or it won't work.

I know it is possible to bend the pins back with something like a credit card and have them work (I even did it with a Cyrix a while back) so its quite likely it will be fine.

 

[Zenoth]

The pins were replaced almost as they were originally. There is maybe a 2% or 3% angle, but I can't do any better. It fits in the holes, and I believe the CPU it properly installed as well. Plus, the CPU temps ranges from 38 to 42 idle, and 48 to 55 at load.

 

[Zenoth]

Look at this guys: http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/779/cpu8iv.jpg

Just ran SiSoftware Sandra 2005, CPU benchmark.

See the "Current" result ? Well ... that's my CPU heh.

There's definitely something wrong with it, and I believe that makes me get a 3DMark05 score of no more than 5400'ish.

I had a CPU score of around 4400 in my other Motherboard / Memory / GPU system, now, all the mentioned parts changed, but the CPU remains the same, and the CPU score decreased to around 3100. A more than 1000 points loss.

I think my situation could prove that curved pins can decrease performance, a LOT.

I'm gonna have to get a new one.

 

[Furen]

Looks to me like you're running in single-core mode. I dont get what you mean by "replaced" did pins fall off and you replaced them? or did you just straighten them out. If you just straightened them out then there should be no difference in performance whatsoever unless the CPU was damaged internally by the bending/unbending.

 

[Zenoth]

Yes, well sorry, bad words selection.

I straightened them, not replaced.

And after verifying, I can confirm that both Cores are being detected properly.

But it performs similarly to an early A64 2800+ model. Which is obviously wrong.

 

[crispy2010]

Youve got a setting wrong. There is no way bent pens affect performance. Unless one broke off and you didnt notice.

 

[sandorski]

straightened bent pins are no problem. fixed a few myself over the years.

 

[Zenoth]

Ok, then ...

Why is my score so low ?
Why does it perform so slow in SiSoftware Sandra ?

I use, and I notice ...

1) nForce Chipset driver 6.70
2) BIOS version 1008
3) BIOS settings same as suggested at http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/38623/
4) No over-heating from GPU
5) No artifacts
6) No over-heating from CPU
7) Service Pack 2 installed + web updates
8) DirectX 9.0c installed
9) No random reboots
10) No desktop freezing
11) Catalyst 5.11 CCC installed properly (previous version un-installed from Safe Mode with DCleaner 2.0)
12) All PSU cables properly pluged and chosen for the proper components
13) All components properly installed physically
14) No errors, No "beeps" upon BIOS / POST

I really don't know what to do.

As of righ now, I do not have another PCI-E card to try, nor another S939 compatible AMD processor to try. I do have other Memory sticks (Kingston Value DDR 400), but I know my actual Corsair works properly. Or so I believe.

I just don't know what to do.

 

[Zenoth]

I need help

I feel like I wasted my money on the new parts if the CPU suddenly decided not to opperate properly.

What in the holy heck can cause the problem !

 

[Furen]

Are you sure you're running in dual-channel mode? Different motherboard use different sockets for dual-channel mode.

 

[Zenoth]

Yes, its does.

According to the BIOS (it shows that it is running in Dual-Channel), according to the Motherboard's Manual, according to SiSoftware Sandra 2005 SR3, and according to CPU-z, it does.

 

[AkumaX]

i had three pins broken off on a p4 1.6a and its still runnin like a champ

 

[Zenoth]

Then WHAT within the mighty HECK world could cause this NIGHTMARE !!!

Man I spent $1,311 CAN for this ... THING

I, am, PISSED OFF.

 

[Zenoth]

Ok, I'll need someone to help me out on this.

I've read a few articles on Microsoft's web-site regarding the functions of PCI-e, and how the OS deals with the technology.

I need someone with Service Pack 2 installed, a Motherboard within the ASUS A8N series (preferably A8N-SLi Deluxe or Premium), and any type of PCI-Express Graphics Card.

Just please go to your Device Manager, and look at the tab where everything on your computer is listed, is should be named "System Peripherals".

Now just please list every single thing mentioned you see about PCI and NVIDIA.

Then, for each of those, please list me the version and name of the Driver used.

For example, in my case, I can see "PCI-to-PCI Bridge", and it repeats five times in the peripherals list. I right-click on the first, and look at its listed driver, and it reads: Manufacturer -Microsoft- / Driver version 5.1.2600.0 / Driver date 2001-07-01

Etc.

So, as you can see, I believe now the problem I have might be caused by a very, very similar problem I had way back one year ago, when I had that Motherboard with a VIA Chipset, ASUS A8V Deluxe.

The problem I had was that, under Service Pack 2 only, the AGP driver from the VIA drivers package, wouldn't apply, and Windows would consider any AGP component as a regular PCI component, and thus it ran my 9800 Pro as a PCI card. The driver from Microsoft (that was over-writing VIA's) was actually listed under "PCI-to-PCI Bridge" as well.

The ONLY known and working way to fix the problem, and make your AGP products run as 8X AGP speed as it should, was simply to avoid SP 2 at all costs when using that Motherboard.

Now, I believe that my current problem might be caused either by: 1) Extremely old version of PCI-to-PCI Bridge driver 2) The very fact that I'm using SP 2, and should just un-install it 3) The absence of an official driver from NVIDIA for PCI-to-PCI Brige if any does exist, and am instead using an old Microsoft build that I shouldn't

Or who knows, might be something else.

So, can anyone help ?

Thanks.

 

[Zenoth]

Help.

 

[sandorski]

I suspect the problem is far simpler than all that,, something you've overlooked. Forget about the bent pins, forget about anything you've read on Microsoft's website, and start from the begining.

Reset BIOS to Default

Make sure SLI/Single video card is properly setup and that you are using the correct PCI-e slot if required

Reformat/reinstall Windows

Install Chipset Drivers

Install Windows Updates

Install X2 Driver

Install X2 Hotfix

Install Video Drivers

Install other Drivers

Once all that is done and system is working, Test it, Tweak the BIOS to your liking.

 

[Furen]

What he said...

 

[SoylentG]

Reapply the heatsink and thermal compound properly this time. I didn't do it right my first time either, and had the same problem.

 

[imported_SilentBobi]

Hi Zenoth

Did you find any solution? I have exactly the same problem. I tore off the processor from the socket causing some bent pins. I straightened them and the cpu runs so far without problem (no reboots, no bsod, normal temps) but my 3dmark05 score is in the 5700 ish range.
So atm I dont know what causes the low score. It can be the bent pins or bad drivers, bad bios settings.. really dont know
This weekend I will try reinstalling the whole system including bios update. If that doesnt help I can be sure the performance loss is due to the bent pins.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Think about this logically you guys....bent pins simply cannot have the effect that you're describing. Either they would work fine, or you would get corruption of data. The PCI- to PCI bridge thing might be the issue, but set everything back to stock and work from there...