Would now be a good time to start deporting illegals?

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: jhbball
Make them citizens. Give them a chance at their ONE life on this planet to support their families with reasonable (relative) wages. Seriously, I can't stand selfish Americans crying about this. Talk about a sense of entitlement. The only thing most of you did to deserve such a charmed life was be BORN here. Congrats!

Hell yes lets reward them for breaking the law, lets also make murderers police officers. They need to RESPECT the laws if they wanna live here PERIOD.

OK LAWL! NONSENSE BBQ!

Wow, at least youve shown your true colors kid.

Counterstrike is ------>



Anyway, Obama is already working on an easier way for local cops to let the feds know when they have illegals in custody.

I give Obama another :thumbsup: for that one.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The thinking is that neither of those jobs are going to pay a living wage, it would significantly hike the prices for goods illegal immigrant workers manufacture/work on/whatever which would lead to a productivity decline, terrible for economies, and it would be xenophobic, protectionist hysteria the likes of which countries seem to see every economic downturn. (check out your history to see just how many places responded to "wut? Economic downturn? Kick out the Imm'grunts!")

The problem with your logic is you fail to understand in the long run illegal immigrants cost us far more than they may save us on goods we purchase. The fact is the ONLY one that really profits from their existence are their employers, period.

Remove them and those employers whom wish to stay in business will take a cut in profit and hire Americans and or ?Legal? immigrants in their place.

Unless you have a problem with kicking out illegal?s so out of work Americans can take the jobs the illegals have no business occupying in the first place?

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: shinerburke
We should be rounding their asses up every day and shipping them back to wherever it is they came from.

By the way, I just have to say that I love how your signature is quoting a guy who has been repeatedly banned for trolling.

I'm quoting him because of his idiotic douchebag statement. Pure hilarity.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: shinerburke
We should be rounding their asses up every day and shipping them back to wherever it is they came from.

By the way, I just have to say that I love how your signature is quoting a guy who has been repeatedly banned for trolling.

I'm quoting him because of his idiotic douchebag statement. Pure hilarity.

My mistake!

 

[Xavier434]

One of the biggest and most common mistakes I find a lot of people making when it comes to trying to discuss solving immigration problems is that they treat the problem as if it is simplistic and easy to solve. It is anything but that. It is one of the most complicated problems our country is facing. The true problem in its complete form is incredibly dynamic on multiple complex levels and gaining a means of actual control is going to be hard as hell along with being incredibly expensive.

The whole, "Let's find them and send them home!" solution is completely flawed by itself and will never work. It will take so much more than that and I have explained it in great lengths in other threads so I will not repeat myself here.

 

[Genx87]

Americans wouldnt work those jobs anyways. They'd rather get unemployment insurance or welfare which probably pays better anyways.

Perhaps it is time to review our immigration laws to make it easier for people to come to this country "legally"? When people come here legally they will assimilate into our society eaiser.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
One of the biggest and most common mistakes I find a lot of people making when it comes to trying to discuss solving immigration problems is that they treat the problem as if it is simplistic and easy to solve. It is anything but that. It is one of the most complicated problems our country is facing..

Totally. America is totally not equipped to deal with this problem (and many other problems), we just dont' have the brain nor the courage to deal with it.

The good time of America is past us.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
One of the biggest and most common mistakes I find a lot of people making when it comes to trying to discuss solving immigration problems is that they treat the problem as if it is simplistic and easy to solve. It is anything but that. It is one of the most complicated problems our country is facing. The true problem in its complete form is incredibly dynamic on multiple complex levels and gaining a means of actual control is going to be hard as hell along with being incredibly expensive.

The whole, "Let's find them and send them home!" solution is completely flawed by itself and will never work. It will take so much more than that and I have explained it in great lengths in other threads so I will not repeat myself here.

Just fine and/or jail anyone caught employing them and they will have to leave. What is so complex about that?

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Americans wouldnt work those jobs anyways. They'd rather get unemployment insurance or welfare which probably pays better anyways.

Perhaps it is time to review our immigration laws to make it easier for people to come to this country "legally"? When people come here legally they will assimilate into our society eaiser.

I believe many would for decent pay and if the recession continues to worsen I believe a lot would to put food on the table for their families.

As long as the pay is a living wage I see no problem with the unemployment office or welfare office placing people in those jobs and if they won?t do them cut them off.

As it is now we have millions out of work thus we don?t have even enough jobs for Americans. So if anything we need to shut down immigration altogether for the time being, not make it easier.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Xavier434
One of the biggest and most common mistakes I find a lot of people making when it comes to trying to discuss solving immigration problems is that they treat the problem as if it is simplistic and easy to solve. It is anything but that. It is one of the most complicated problems our country is facing. The true problem in its complete form is incredibly dynamic on multiple complex levels and gaining a means of actual control is going to be hard as hell along with being incredibly expensive.

The whole, "Let's find them and send them home!" solution is completely flawed by itself and will never work. It will take so much more than that and I have explained it in great lengths in other threads so I will not repeat myself here.

Just fine and/or jail anyone caught employing them and they will have to leave. What is so complex about that?

I agree that should be part of the solution, but it is not enough to solve the entire problem in a way that we need it to be solved so that we both see and feel a real difference in this country. A half assed or partial solution is not worth spending the money on. Only a full realistic solution will do and it needs to be guaranteed to be performed without delays or cancellations or budget cuts along the way. It will be expensive which sucks but there is no cheap way to do it.

 

[Drakkon]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Xavier434
One of the biggest and most common mistakes I find a lot of people making when it comes to trying to discuss solving immigration problems is that they treat the problem as if it is simplistic and easy to solve. It is anything but that. It is one of the most complicated problems our country is facing. The true problem in its complete form is incredibly dynamic on multiple complex levels and gaining a means of actual control is going to be hard as hell along with being incredibly expensive.

The whole, "Let's find them and send them home!" solution is completely flawed by itself and will never work. It will take so much more than that and I have explained it in great lengths in other threads so I will not repeat myself here.

Just fine and/or jail anyone caught employing them and they will have to leave. What is so complex about that?

Search for "Arizona Proposition 202" - tried to pass it last year...didn't work

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Genx87
Americans wouldnt work those jobs anyways. They'd rather get unemployment insurance or welfare which probably pays better anyways.

Perhaps it is time to review our immigration laws to make it easier for people to come to this country "legally"? When people come here legally they will assimilate into our society eaiser.

I believe many would for decent pay and if the recession continues to worsen I believe a lot would to put food on the table for their families.

As long as the pay is a living wage I see no problem with the unemployment office or welfare office placing people in those jobs and if they won?t do them cut them off.

As it is now we have millions out of work thus we don?t have even enough jobs for Americans. So if anything we need to shut down immigration altogether for the time being, not make it easier.

There may not be enough of those jobs and/or they may not be spread out evenly enough to enforce such a thing. Not every decently populated county in the US is full of jobs taken by immigrants, but all of them have plenty on welfare.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Is there a bad time to start deporting illegal immigrants?

The government should be enforcing all immigration laws, at all times.

this.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: ayabe
All I keep hearing is how tough it is for them now that the construction industry is DOA and that they're leaving in droves.

So the problem may work a lot of itself out, we just need to let the economy continue to tank.

If one were of the tinfoil hat persuasion, you could connect the dots and say that the R's voted against the stimulus to keep the economony in freefall, with the side benefit being a backdoor way to push the illegals out, without getting Blackwater involved.

Problem with this is I think the R's are the ones who take the biggest advantage from them.. For republican businessmen this is the closest thing they can get to slave like labor with no benefits.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: ayabe
All I keep hearing is how tough it is for them now that the construction industry is DOA and that they're leaving in droves.

So the problem may work a lot of itself out, we just need to let the economy continue to tank.

If one were of the tinfoil hat persuasion, you could connect the dots and say that the R's voted against the stimulus to keep the economony in freefall, with the side benefit being a backdoor way to push the illegals out, without getting Blackwater involved.

Problem with this is I think the R's are the ones who take the biggest advantage from them.. For republican businessmen this is the closest thing they can get to slave like labor with no benefits.

Maybe if the lefties didnt mandate that high school dropouts make $30/hr for flipping burgers or packaging orders at wherehouses, there would be less jobs shipped overseas, and less "under-the-table" illegal workers?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I wish it were that easy. What about those illegals who have given birth to what are now 100% legal American citizens? You want to ship them home and leave their American kids....where?

Then you need to address the fact that most will just come back anyways.

They are not 100% legal American citizens... they have just been seen that way despite the law being VERY clear to those that actually care about it.

"a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

How does a child of a citizen of a foreign country here illegally fall into that definition or any of the other rulings of the USSC? Hopefully Congress will put an end to anchor babies but at this point with liberals in charge we won't see it any time soon.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Drakkon

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Xavier434
One of the biggest and most common mistakes I find a lot of people making when it comes to trying to discuss solving immigration problems is that they treat the problem as if it is simplistic and easy to solve. It is anything but that. It is one of the most complicated problems our country is facing. The true problem in its complete form is incredibly dynamic on multiple complex levels and gaining a means of actual control is going to be hard as hell along with being incredibly expensive.

The whole, "Let's find them and send them home!" solution is completely flawed by itself and will never work. It will take so much more than that and I have explained it in great lengths in other threads so I will not repeat myself here.

Just fine and/or jail anyone caught employing them and they will have to leave. What is so complex about that?

Search for "Arizona Proposition 202" - tried to pass it last year...didn't work

Just because a poorly crafted (even deceptive?) law didn't pass doesn't mean that a properly written and execut4ed law couldn't be effective.

Arizona?s Proposition 202?A New Low In Deception

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: ayabe
All I keep hearing is how tough it is for them now that the construction industry is DOA and that they're leaving in droves.

So the problem may work a lot of itself out, we just need to let the economy continue to tank.

If one were of the tinfoil hat persuasion, you could connect the dots and say that the R's voted against the stimulus to keep the economony in freefall, with the side benefit being a backdoor way to push the illegals out, without getting Blackwater involved.

Problem with this is I think the R's are the ones who take the biggest advantage from them.. For republican businessmen this is the closest thing they can get to slave like labor with no benefits.

Maybe if the lefties didnt mandate that high school dropouts make $30/hr for flipping burgers or packaging orders at wherehouses, there would be less jobs shipped overseas, and less "under-the-table" illegal workers?

Link to jobs paying $30/hr to flip burgers please

 

[CADsortaGUY]

To the OP - yes, either that OR just F'n annex Mexico and the countries all the way to the panama canal so we can get it back since we built the damn thing. Maybe...just maybe we could lift that part of the world out of the shit pot it currently wallows in.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: ayabe
All I keep hearing is how tough it is for them now that the construction industry is DOA and that they're leaving in droves.

So the problem may work a lot of itself out, we just need to let the economy continue to tank.

If one were of the tinfoil hat persuasion, you could connect the dots and say that the R's voted against the stimulus to keep the economony in freefall, with the side benefit being a backdoor way to push the illegals out, without getting Blackwater involved.

Problem with this is I think the R's are the ones who take the biggest advantage from them.. For republican businessmen this is the closest thing they can get to slave like labor with no benefits.

Maybe if the lefties didnt mandate that high school dropouts make $30/hr for flipping burgers or packaging orders at wherehouses, there would be less jobs shipped overseas, and less "under-the-table" illegal workers?

Link to jobs paying $30/hr to flip burgers please

Oh look, here is one!

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: NSFW
I would think that cracking down on this would be great for the job situation. In the short term, the government would need to hire additional agents to investigate and enforce the laws. Then as the jobs that the illegals were working freed up, Americans who are out of work could fill those jobs.

Please tell me where my thinking is flawed.

5,000 per day, 365 days a year, for 11 years. Not feasable.

How about just make them legal, and in exchange the government takes 60% of there wages for the next 11 years.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: ayabe
All I keep hearing is how tough it is for them now that the construction industry is DOA and that they're leaving in droves.

So the problem may work a lot of itself out, we just need to let the economy continue to tank.

If one were of the tinfoil hat persuasion, you could connect the dots and say that the R's voted against the stimulus to keep the economony in freefall, with the side benefit being a backdoor way to push the illegals out, without getting Blackwater involved.

Problem with this is I think the R's are the ones who take the biggest advantage from them.. For republican businessmen this is the closest thing they can get to slave like labor with no benefits.

Maybe if the lefties didnt mandate that high school dropouts make $30/hr for flipping burgers or packaging order at wherehouses, there would be less jobs shipped overseas, and less "under-the-table" illegal workers?

Funny you mention that, my friend I were talking yesterday about all the steel workers back in Ohio that were doing that, his dad was telling him years ago about how back in his day he made $19 an hour swinging a hammer with just a diploma.. he told him "Why do you think all those jobs are gone now?"

I don't agree with slave labor but I also don't agree with paying someone $19 an hour to swing a hammer (and this was 35 years ago so it was really good money then) just because they were part of a union either. I'd like to see it all meet in the middle, but greed takes over and throws that out.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I wish it were that easy. What about those illegals who have given birth to what are now 100% legal American citizens? You want to ship them home and leave their American kids....where?

Then you need to address the fact that most will just come back anyways.

They are not 100% legal American citizens... they have just been seen that way despite the law being VERY clear to those that actually care about it.

"a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

How does a child of a citizen of a foreign country here illegally fall into that definition or any of the other rulings of the USSC? Hopefully Congress will put an end to anchor babies but at this point with liberals in charge we won't see it any time soon.

No, and you will never see it. It is not about who is in charge. Too many Americans in general frown on the idea of sending the kids back and these Americans deserve to be represented. A lot of people don't have problems sending home those illegals that made a conscious decision to come here illegally, but they have issues with separating families or screwing over their kids who had no choice in the matter. You may not like or agree with it, but as long as you believe in representation in this country then you will have to live with it. It is not just liberals that support this idea.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I wish it were that easy. What about those illegals who have given birth to what are now 100% legal American citizens? You want to ship them home and leave their American kids....where?

Then you need to address the fact that most will just come back anyways.

They are not 100% legal American citizens... they have just been seen that way despite the law being VERY clear to those that actually care about it.

"a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

How does a child of a citizen of a foreign country here illegally fall into that definition or any of the other rulings of the USSC? Hopefully Congress will put an end to anchor babies but at this point with liberals in charge we won't see it any time soon.

No, and you will never see it. It is not about who is in charge. Too many Americans in general frown on the idea of sending the kids back and these Americans deserve to be represented. A lot of people don't have problems sending home those illegals that made a conscious decision to come here illegally, but they have issues with separating families or screwing over their kids who had no choice in the matter. You may not like or agree with it, but as long as you believe in representation in this country then you will have to live with it. It is not just liberals that support this idea.

Again, so if we FOLLOW THE ACTUAL LAW and don't grant these babies citizenship then they go right back to the country they are subjects are - just like their parents.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: ayabe
All I keep hearing is how tough it is for them now that the construction industry is DOA and that they're leaving in droves.

So the problem may work a lot of itself out, we just need to let the economy continue to tank.

If one were of the tinfoil hat persuasion, you could connect the dots and say that the R's voted against the stimulus to keep the economony in freefall, with the side benefit being a backdoor way to push the illegals out, without getting Blackwater involved.

Problem with this is I think the R's are the ones who take the biggest advantage from them.. For republican businessmen this is the closest thing they can get to slave like labor with no benefits.

Maybe if the lefties didnt mandate that high school dropouts make $30/hr for flipping burgers or packaging orders at wherehouses, there would be less jobs shipped overseas, and less "under-the-table" illegal workers?

Link to jobs paying $30/hr to flip burgers please

Oh look, here is one!

Translation - You're full of shit

If you can't get labor for what your willing to pay then raise your wages, not farm pout the jobs OR bring in illegals to do the work.