Would military action to shutdown Iran's nuclear amibitions backfire....?

magomago

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I was just thinking about this. To a degree it might just be what the government of Iran wants. Well not wants, but they know that if "Plan A" doesn't work, "Plan B" can be equally as powerful.
We always talk about how much Iranians "love us", but at the same time how they do not want us to mess with them. If we or Isreal go in and try to take out their programs, wouldn't that inflame their entire population against us? That would play right in the hands of the government. Fan more anti- American flames by pissing off the entire generation.

Now pause for a minute when we consider this hyoptheical situation: ee may not like our administration here, and we may question our own government's amibition for any special kind of weapons technology, but if another country says it will come and forcibly remove the ability for us to pursue a certain kind of weapons technology, we most likely will a) Hate the entity that would/will/has done that to us and b) Rally around the government.
In the same fashion I beleive the same thing would happen in Iran.

So now we have

A) Iran gets the bomb. Works right into the government's hands and now we can't shove them around as much anymore. Notion of invading them goes away, as no one wants to see a nuke detonated. Government Benefits

B) Iran doesn't get it, but now you've inflamed another entire generation to "hate" the US that previously may have trusted the US. Not even the most elaborate psyops mission could turn opinion around towards us. Government still benefits.

It still sucks either way. Though when I think about it, I would think every single OTHER government in the area would LOVE to see this. I don't see Turkey, Iraq (well they don't really count ;) At this point it is just an American Puppet Government) , Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, or any other country hoping that Iran gets a nuclear weapon. But at the same time I am sure that while this desire would be on the minds of government officials, people would decry America for "pushing the world around" even moreso (though after invading and carpet bagging Iraq I'm not sure how much more "pushing around" we could do).

Damned if we do, damned if we don't ;)
 
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It would backfire in Iran, it would backfire in the international community, and it would backfire domestically. ANY further aggression from the US under this administration pretty much spells the end for us. We'll tear ourselves apart internally, we'll lose all political capital with the world, and worst of all we'll lose what little remains of international public support. We will have tossed away all the good things we worked so hard to build up.
 

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You know what the solution to this problem is?

Arm the Arabs with weapons. Let the Arabs take out Iran's nuclear sites.

If Iran was in the center of the M.E surrounded by Arab nations, they would have been attacked numerous times by now. Just like Israel has been.

Therefore, give Saudi Arabia and UAE some money and tell them to bomb Iranian nuclear sites.
 
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Originally posted by: Aimster
You know what the solution to this problem is?

Arm the Arabs with weapons. Let the Arabs take out Iran's nuclear sites.

If Iran was in the center of the M.E surrounded by Arab nations, they would have been attacked numerous times by now. Just like Israel has been.

Therefore, give Saudi Arabia and UAE some money and tell them to bomb Iranian nuclear sites.

Why the hell would Saudi need money for goodness sake??? The royal family could rent our military for a few months 6 or 7 times over as it is. Hmmm, which would actually be a great way to pay off our national debt. :cool: j/k

Seriously, getting involved in other nations is what's put us in such a horrible place as it is. Making more of the same mistakes isn't the right course. CHANGING our policies is.
 

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When they bomb they will likely try to decapitate the government and the mullahs. Something I doubt a vast majority would care about, or for that matter would be opposed to.
 

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Originally posted by: rahvin
When they bomb they will likely try to decapitate the government and the mullahs. Something I doubt a vast majority would care about, or for that matter would be opposed to.

Of course, I truly doubt the people of Iran would care if we bomb their infrastructure back to the 1920s.

I know the Iraqi's are definitely enjoying 4 hours of electricity per day.

If anything, our bombing of Iran would result in a worldwide shortage of roses because Iranians will be throwing them on the streets, cheering for the American's destroying their society and any chance they have of powering their country after Peak Oil.
 

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Originally posted by: rahvin
When they bomb they will likely try to decapitate the government and the mullahs. Something I doubt a vast majority would care about, or for that matter would be opposed to.


You got anything to support your doubt? Exactly.

Why do you post in threads where you have no knowledge of the topic being discussed?
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Aimster
You know what the solution to this problem is?

Arm the Arabs with weapons. Let the Arabs take out Iran's nuclear sites.

If Iran was in the center of the M.E surrounded by Arab nations, they would have been attacked numerous times by now. Just like Israel has been.

Therefore, give Saudi Arabia and UAE some money and tell them to bomb Iranian nuclear sites.

Why the hell would Saudi need money for goodness sake??? The royal family could rent our military for a few months 6 or 7 times over as it is. Hmmm, which would actually be a great way to pay off our national debt. :cool: j/k

Seriously, getting involved in other nations is what's put us in such a horrible place as it is. Making more of the same mistakes isn't the right course. CHANGING our policies is.

Fine, we can allow the royal family to purchase some advanced military equipment from the U.S. For example: Upgraded Aircraft (all upgrades).
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: rahvin
When they bomb they will likely try to decapitate the government and the mullahs. Something I doubt a vast majority would care about, or for that matter would be opposed to.

See this is where I would disagree. If Iraq has taught us anything, it is that the people don't have any GREAT DEAL of love for the government. But I think that the lack of love for the government is not equal to the lack of hate for the "invader".
 

magomago

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Aimster
You know what the solution to this problem is?

Arm the Arabs with weapons. Let the Arabs take out Iran's nuclear sites.

If Iran was in the center of the M.E surrounded by Arab nations, they would have been attacked numerous times by now. Just like Israel has been.

Therefore, give Saudi Arabia and UAE some money and tell them to bomb Iranian nuclear sites.

I don't think it is in the Arab's best interest to attack Iran. Isreal is much more threatening and powerful than Iran is to the middle east. Iran would atleast provide a counter to Isreali dominance considering the lackluster and pathetic state of Arab nations at the moment. Crippling Iran is something Arab countries shouldn't necessarily desire.
 
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Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: maddogchen
you bomb the targets, they just move it underground or into much secreter locations.

secreter???

Forgive him, he's had to listen to Bush speak for 6 years now. Eventually IQ's simply HAVE to drop from that. :cool:
 

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It's going to get interesting, that's for sure. I think it's very likely the U.S. will attack Iran. Having Bush at the helm doesn't exactly fill me with confidence either.