Would legal prostitution EVERYWHERE reduce violence?

[zanejohnson]

check it out............

i've never paid a prostitue CASH MONEY

i have paid her in drugs.











now factor that into the equation/whole view

what we need is this puritan bullshit to go away.....

she wouldn't have prostituted if she could go get a bit of heroin/ (or actually prescription opoid drugs in my case)


i wouln't spend money on a prostitute, if it wasn't so easy..

now.....imagine if these puritan laws didnt exist..... i'd have never had to put so much of my effort, into acquiring these drugs.....legally...only to be illegally used (paying for prostitution)......there's your two wrongs


really......i should be able to grow some poppies.....she should be able to grow some poppies......and we'd fuck for fun. <---------that's heavan

 

[drebo]

I personally think prostitution should be legal but regulated. But that has nothing to do with believing in gay or women's rights. I just don't believe it's the government's business to tell ANYONE - man and woman, straight or gay - what they can or cannot do with their body, except to the extent that it unacceptably endangers others or places too high a burden on society.

But you go right on insisting that the the question of whether or not prostitution should be legalized is all black and white. Shades of gray obviously scare you a lot.

It IS black and white: what two consenting people over the age of reason (the age at which they can testify in court with the understanding they know the difference between right and wrong) do behind closed doors is no business of mine, yours, or the government's.

 

[MongGrel]

Have never paid a prostitute ever myself.

First time I even ran into a women doing that embarassed myself pretty badly, was pretty funny after all this time in reflection.

Have been around a several, but have never slept with one either I guess.

Had some pretty damned good back rubs, etc, just hanging around.

 

[shira]

It IS black and white: what two consenting people over the age of reason (the age at which they can testify in court with the understanding they know the difference between right and wrong) do behind closed doors is no business of mine, yours, or the government's.

If it's for money, it IS the government's business. The government regulates all sorts of businesses to protect consumers and society and - yes - even the practitioners themselves, and I see no reason why that shouldn't be the case for prostitution as well. So by all means legalize prostitution, but require accepted accounting practices, periodic tests for STDs, the use of condoms and oral dams, and anti-pimping protections. Not black and white enough for you? Too bad.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

1/5 gay men in the US has HIV. Should we have laws against gay sex?



So you are saying you want to control what women do with their bodies...

It should be regulated for the same reason doctors aren't allowed to use coat hangers you fucking retard.

 

[zanejohnson]

there's no way to regulate it........

see prostitution happens every single night, in even married couples homes...


we need to just quit this stupid ass puritan bullshit that somehow sees that wrong......

look your givin a few things in this existence......your body, your conscious, your view on those......

and that's dynamic........ you may picture bestness, as flowers and lillies, and perfect white dresses.....

i may picture it, a severed head rolling down a hill, dead bodies in the hallway, a prostitue tied up, and shared with my friends.......


see, that's how far off this whole discussion actually is..




realiistically, that can work for both sides......would be.....


dont fucking try to legislate morality.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

There's no way to regulate anything, but we try anyway.

 

[shira]

there's no way to regulate it........

see prostitution happens every single night, in even married couples homes...


we need to just quit this stupid ass puritan bullshit that somehow sees that wrong......

look your givin a few things in this existence......your body, your conscious, your view on those......

and that's dynamic........ you may picture bestness, as flowers and lillies, and perfect white dresses.....

i may picture it, a severed head rolling down a hill, dead bodies in the hallway, a prostitue tied up, and shared with my friends.......


see, that's how far off this whole discussion actually is..




realiistically, that can work for both sides......would be.....


dont fucking try to legislate morality.

Why are you confusing legalizing/regulating prostitution with "legislating morality?" Morality has nothing to do with it.

Food and drugs are regulated by the FDA to protect the public. Automobiles are regulated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to protect the public. Banks are regulated. Airlines are regulated. The stock markets are regulated. Schools are regulated. The practices of law, accounting, and medicine are all regulated. All to protect the public. Why should prostitution be any different? Furthermore your image of "a prostitute tied up for sharing with your friends" is precisely one more reason that regulation - in this case to protect the prostitutes themselves from crazies like you - is needed.

And why are you confusing marital and "gold-digging" sex, which doesn't involve one person sexually catering to hundreds or even thousands of partners a year with the profession of prostitution?

And of course it can be regulated. Nevada's been doing it for years. Maybe the Nevada "model" wouldn't be to everyone's taste, but in principle regulation can work just fine.

I swear, I don't know who's more retarded, brain-dead conservatives or brain-dead libertarians.

 

[zanejohnson]

Why are you confusing legalizing/regulating prostitution with "legislating morality?" Morality has nothing to do with it.

Food and drugs are regulated by the FDA to protect the public. Automobiles are regulated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to protect the public. Banks are regulated. Airlines are regulated. The stock markets are regulated. Schools are regulated. The practices of law, accounting, and medicine are all regulated. All to protect the public. Why should prostitution be any different? Furthermore your image of "a prostitute tied up for sharing with your friends" is precisely one more reason that regulation - in this case to protect the prostitutes themselves from crazies like you - is needed.

And why are you confusing marital and "gold-digging" sex, which doesn't involve one person sexually catering to hundreds or even thousands of partners a year with the profession of prostitution?

And of course it can be regulated. Nevada's been doing it for years. Maybe the Nevada "model" wouldn't be to everyone's taste, but in principle regulation can work just fine.

I swear, I don't know who's more retarded, brain-dead conservatives or brain-dead libertarians.

i say it can't be regulated, because i completely believe that, that wouldn't be an issue in a true free society..... ( an anarchist society)

if there's no legislative force, trying to stop the whole of prostitution, then there's no logical reaon, for a legislative body lobbying against regulation...

see what i'm saying???

in an anarchist world....... a free market would arrise.......a true free market, it woulnd't look like johns......comign to a brothel (that's actually sick)

it would be a the level of........bean farmer, spends all his time farming beans, ...........no family, no kids.. we was smart, he grew sustenance...he's rich.......he has a great bean crop, and he's mastered the art........but he's lonely and seeks companionshop...............now shouldnt he be able to barter his beans....to the woman down the way, who sells her body (because he's gifted with a perfect female phsyical appearence........... just like the bean farmers, perfect, bean harvest.... is that not a fair market?

and is that not, actual, perfect fair market without sacrificing morality?

 

[Oldgamer]

Have never paid a prostitute ever myself.

First time I even ran into a women doing that embarassed myself pretty badly, was pretty funny after all this time in reflection.

Have been around a several, but have never slept with one either I guess.

Had some pretty damned good back rubs, etc, just hanging around.

LOL, good ole "rub and tug" eh?:whiste:

 

[Oldgamer]

If it's for money, it IS the government's business. The government regulates all sorts of businesses to protect consumers and society and - yes - even the practitioners themselves, and I see no reason why that shouldn't be the case for prostitution as well. So by all means legalize prostitution, but require accepted accounting practices, periodic tests for STDs, the use of condoms and oral dams, and anti-pimping protections. Not black and white enough for you? Too bad.

By the way, they have had prostitution legal for many many years now in Nevada, and it doesn't look like any of those women are strung out druggies, nor have STDs. They are heavily regulated and from what I have read they do a "dick and body" inspection prior to engaging in sex with their customer. They have to have something like weekly visits to the brothel's doctor? I can't remember. The only thing I have read in the past on the Nevada brothels is that they nickel and dime the women to death, and they can never leave the compound area, nor go out after a certain time in the evening.

 

[Moonbeam]

i say it can't be regulated, because i completely believe that, that wouldn't be an issue in a true free society..... ( an anarchist society)

if there's no legislative force, trying to stop the whole of prostitution, then there's no logical reaon, for a legislative body lobbying against regulation...

see what i'm saying???

in an anarchist world....... a free market would arrise.......a true free market, it woulnd't look like johns......comign to a brothel (that's actually sick)

it would be a the level of........bean farmer, spends all his time farming beans, ...........no family, no kids.. we was smart, he grew sustenance...he's rich.......he has a great bean crop, and he's mastered the art........but he's lonely and seeks companionshop...............now shouldnt he be able to barter his beans....to the woman down the way, who sells her body (because he's gifted with a perfect female phsyical appearence........... just like the bean farmers, perfect, bean harvest.... is that not a fair market?

and is that not, actual, perfect fair market without sacrificing morality?

You think but you do not feel. Your reasoning lacks a human dimension. You are a bean counter. You ride the surface of a much deeper sea.

 

[zanejohnson]

You think but you do not feel. Your reasoning lacks a human dimension. You are a bean counter. You ride the surface of a much deeper sea.

i'll take that as a compliment,,,,,

 

[Moonbeam]

i'll take that as a compliment,,,,,

As you complement yourself on paying for sex with drugs, oblivious to your inner condition.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Legalize pot and prostitution - most of the problems would be solved;
1) no more human trafficking
2) no more murderous Mexicans pushing their awful brick skunk weed
3) no more over crowded and stretched thin law enforcement over hookers, pot smokers and pot sellers

You can then let the smack junkies die in the streets. And, no need to worry about junkies in the sex industry, because no one wants to bone a needled up whore (it would also be bad for business,...).

On the nut job in CA - he was fucking crazy. No amount of trim would have cured that.

 

[nehalem256]

If it's for money, it IS the government's business. The government regulates all sorts of businesses to protect consumers and society and - yes - even the practitioners themselves, and I see no reason why that shouldn't be the case for prostitution as well. So by all means legalize prostitution, but require accepted accounting practices, periodic tests for STDs, the use of condoms and oral dams, and anti-pimping protections. Not black and white enough for you? Too bad.

So in other words legalize prostitution and treat it just like any other business.

Seems like a pretty black/white view on whether prostitution should be legalized.

 

[Oldgamer]

Business Insider ran this article about why prostitution should be legalized: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-america-should-legalize-prostitution-2013-11

Examiner (think this is a blogger) gave 10 good reasons to legalize prostitution: http://www.examiner.com/article/10-reasons-we-need-to-legalize-prostitution

New York Times and their article on legalizing prostitution: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer

and then you have CNN saying that all prostitutes are victims here: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/27/opinion/wells-prostitution-victims/

I never really understood how CNN can say they are all victims yet they are arrested and treated like criminals. If they really are victims then why arrest them and give them criminal records?

 

[Moonbeam]

Business Insider ran this article about why prostitution should be legalized: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-america-should-legalize-prostitution-2013-11

Examiner (think this is a blogger) gave 10 good reasons to legalize prostitution: http://www.examiner.com/article/10-reasons-we-need-to-legalize-prostitution

New York Times and their article on legalizing prostitution: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer

and then you have CNN saying that all prostitutes are victims here: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/27/opinion/wells-prostitution-victims/

I never really understood how CNN can say they are all victims yet they are arrested and treated like criminals. If they really are victims then why arrest them and give them criminal records?

My theory is that the world we live in is insane. Legalizing prostitution and seeing prostitutes as victims is simply less insane than a repressed Victorian view.

 

[BoberFett]

So YOU are saying that whether or not to legalize prostitution is 100% clear, and merely considering potential costs and benefits is mock-worthy?

Where is this sudden autistic level of fascination with cost-benefit coming from?

You should be mocked. You're a buffoon.

People should be free to do what they want with their bodies. Why are you such a fascist?

 

[smackababy]

1/5 gay men in the US has HIV. Should we have laws against gay sex?

Please do provide your source. It is estimated 4% of the population are MSM (males who have sex with males) and there is estimated 1.1 million cases of HIV in the US.

So, even if all the HIV cases consisted solely of men who have sex with other men, that is 1 in 12.5, at best. (4% of the 314 million US population being 12.56 million).

Numbers provided by the CDC.


If anything, blacks are more effected by HIV than gays. They account for 12% of the population, but are 44% of those living with HIV. Should we ban black people from having sex?

 

[Moonbeam]

Where is this sudden autistic level of fascination with cost-benefit coming from?

You should be mocked. You're a buffoon.

People should be free to do what they want with their bodies. Why are you such a fascist?

You are right. However, you have no idea what it means to b free. As a sick neurotic, you will do things to your body that are intuitively absurd. You are a bundle of neurotic impulses. You live and we're raised in a diseased culture. You are controlled by unconscious impulses you have no idea about. Let the health and spiritually wise make the rules that can guide you to healthy choices. Naturally you don't like such thinking because you're an arrogant egotists who experienced what it't like to have other fools telling you what's good for you.

 

[amdhunter]

No. Prostitution should stay illegal.
I don't like the idea of attractive people finding yet another easy way to make money.

They already get the best jobs, best opportunities and best everything. Legalizing prostitution means now they can open their legs without any education and make a lot. It's not fair for us ugly folk.

 

[nehalem256]

Please do provide your source. It is estimated 4% of the population are MSM (males who have sex with males) and there is estimated 1.1 million cases of HIV in the US.

So, even if all the HIV cases consisted solely of men who have sex with other men, that is 1 in 12.5, at best. (4% of the 314 million US population being 12.56 million).

Numbers provided by the CDC.

Issue one: 4% of the population is LGBT. So one would assume 2% of the population is an LGBT man.

Issue two: The 314 million population includes children. For obvious reasons we should probably only be counting men to get an accurate count.

Seems like those 2 changes would get you from 1/12.5 to ~1/5.

If anything, blacks are more effected by HIV than gays. They account for 12% of the population, but are 44% of those living with HIV. Should we ban black people from having sex?

Clearly wrong. According to your only claims MSM account for 4% of the population while...

MSM accounted for 52% of all people living with HIV infection in 2009, the most recent year these data are available

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html

So a gay man is over 3 times as likely to have HIV as a black man.

 

[Nebor]

No. Prostitution should stay illegal.
I don't like the idea of attractive people finding yet another easy way to make money.

They already get the best jobs, best opportunities and best everything. Legalizing prostitution means now they can open their legs without any education and make a lot. It's not fair for us ugly folk.

The illegality of it drives up the price of sex for both those who frequent prostitutes and those who don't, while increasing the wages of those attractive people willing to take the risk of breaking the law.

 

[werepossum]

I personally think prostitution should be legal but regulated. But that has nothing to do with believing in gay or women's rights. I just don't believe it's the government's business to tell ANYONE - man and woman, straight or gay - what they can or cannot do with their body, except to the extent that it unacceptably endangers others or places too high a burden on society.

But you go right on insisting that the the question of whether or not prostitution should be legalized is all black and white. Shades of gray obviously scare you a lot.

Well said. However . . .

Why are you confusing legalizing/regulating prostitution with "legislating morality?" Morality has nothing to do with it.

Food and drugs are regulated by the FDA to protect the public. Automobiles are regulated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to protect the public. Banks are regulated. Airlines are regulated. The stock markets are regulated. Schools are regulated. The practices of law, accounting, and medicine are all regulated. All to protect the public. Why should prostitution be any different? Furthermore your image of "a prostitute tied up for sharing with your friends" is precisely one more reason that regulation - in this case to protect the prostitutes themselves from crazies like you - is needed.

And why are you confusing marital and "gold-digging" sex, which doesn't involve one person sexually catering to hundreds or even thousands of partners a year with the profession of prostitution?

And of course it can be regulated. Nevada's been doing it for years. Maybe the Nevada "model" wouldn't be to everyone's taste, but in principle regulation can work just fine.

I swear, I don't know who's more retarded, brain-dead conservatives or brain-dead libertarians.

He has a point. It's all well and good to regulate prostitution, but that regulation also adds cost, so that the hooker who can no longer service clients legally due to disease merely goes back under the table so to speak by undercutting the official price.

The illegality of it drives up the price of sex for both those who frequent prostitutes and those who don't, while increasing the wages of those attractive people willing to take the risk of breaking the law.

Judging by those busted on the news, attractive people need not apply for illegal prostitution. Those positions are reserved for scabrous crack whores, apparently.

It never fails to boggle my mind that people with whom I would not willingly share a cab can make a living selling sex.