The US produces enough gasoline to support its military. We have enough natural resources to sustain ourselves even if we were closed off.
Nebor
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I'd like to think that the American attitude would keep us from being conquered. Our stubborness, and self righteousness would cause us to fight until we were wiped out.
Someone mentioned that WMDs could break our spirit, but I'd rather be annihilated by a nuclear blast than live forcibly under a foreign flag.
In other words, I'm in for the resistance. And I'm still seeing Breen...
Someone mentioned that WMDs could break our spirit, but I'd rather be annihilated by a nuclear blast than live forcibly under a foreign flag.
In other words, I'm in for the resistance. And I'm still seeing Breen...
Canada is the other half of NORAD. You don't really think that the US is just going to sit there while somebody takes over Canada, do you? Attacking Canada would be just as easy as attacking the US, since we'd be right there.
Yeah? That says nothing about the rest of society..
If we were importing no oil, we would only have enough gasoline for a few months... There is basically no oil left here[when compared to the ammount we import]; we used it up in the 70s.
But you're right, the military wouldn't run out of fuel.
Originally posted by: Amplifier
Topic Title: Would it be possible to invade the US?
Topic Summary: edit: and occupy (for those who need it spelled out)
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I can't make a comment on this here in OT as it would touch off another Firestorm.
How come this is not in P&N???
When push comes to shove, the military gets all the supplies it needs first, then consumers come last. During WW2, most automakers switched over from building cars to building tanks and planes. Copper, silk, and gasoline were rationed. Yes, civilian luxuries took a big hit to support the war effort, but they had no problem doing it. Do you think that people are going to complain about fueling their SUV when there's a enemy force in the next state trying to conquer the country?
Civvies would bitch if they had to wait five extra minutes for their LardMac at McDonald's due to an invasion.
No, but society would still at least begin to crumble at that point, and it would crumble more and more the longer we were in that situation.
That's all I was saying.
If people can't get gasoline to get to work.. yeah, we're fscked.. We could certainly pull out of it though... it would just be some hard times. Obviously for society to completely collapse, that would have to happen and it would have to escalate and get worse, instead of better... for an extended period of time.
Well I was talking about it in more isolated terms - without the US being involved. If Canada has its big brother coming in to protect it then it would be hard to conquer it.
Canada by itself would probably be conquered within a day or two.
The US would nuke the crap out of an enemy country before it would allow itself to be occupied.
Aside from that, there is no way the logistics make it impossible. You can't amass a large invasion force without us taking serious countermeasures. The US Navy's sea power is more powerful than the rest of the world combined so forget that route. It just can't happen.
A better question would be, could the US invade China? I say no, at least without going full nuclear first. I don't think its possible to invade ANY country that has real deployable nuclear capability unless you plan to wipe that country off the face of the earth in the process.
Aside from that, there is no way the logistics make it impossible. You can't amass a large invasion force without us taking serious countermeasures. The US Navy's sea power is more powerful than the rest of the world combined so forget that route. It just can't happen.
A better question would be, could the US invade China? I say no, at least without going full nuclear first. I don't think its possible to invade ANY country that has real deployable nuclear capability unless you plan to wipe that country off the face of the earth in the process.
Anubis
No Lifer
if we rule out the use of nukes and and other ICBMs i say no
for a land invasiuon of teh US to happen, the agressor somehow needs to get millions of troops across a huge spacve of ocea which is patrolled but the worlds biggest navy
or they woudl have to come through canada or mexico, now if that were the cace we woudl surley know WTF was going on and woudl have the defences set up to deal with it
the only way i see the US being invaded is if someone nuked the hell put of us and just came ina dn picked up the pieces, even then teh resistance woudl be insane, than and we woudl have pretty much nuked them all back and more or less ended the world
mutual assured distructiion or whatever its called
for a land invasiuon of teh US to happen, the agressor somehow needs to get millions of troops across a huge spacve of ocea which is patrolled but the worlds biggest navy
or they woudl have to come through canada or mexico, now if that were the cace we woudl surley know WTF was going on and woudl have the defences set up to deal with it
the only way i see the US being invaded is if someone nuked the hell put of us and just came ina dn picked up the pieces, even then teh resistance woudl be insane, than and we woudl have pretty much nuked them all back and more or less ended the world
mutual assured distructiion or whatever its called
I do have to agree with Thera, though.
At least at first.. Word would spread quickly, and people would take up arms.... But there could be some truely horrific massacres in that short time.
I can EASILY see that happening...
At least at first.. Word would spread quickly, and people would take up arms.... But there could be some truely horrific massacres in that short time.
You think wrong. To overthrow our military, in numbers only, perhaps. To conquer a country the size of Canada would be very, very difficult. The way we could be conquered is through our complete, and somewhat pathetic, dependence on the US.
Where I live, it is approximately a 12-13 hour drive, and I don't foresee anyone wanting to conquer me ... unless it is for oil purposes, or in the future, fresh water.
LOL... do you realize how big Canada is?
They may only have 32 million people, but they're spread out over 4 million square miles....
Originally posted by: Eli
No, but society would still at least begin to crumble at that point, and it would crumble more and more the longer we were in that situation.
That's all I was saying.
I think a misconception is that if the situation prevented us living our normal lives, our society would crumble. It wouldn't. We would adapt just as we have in the past. During WW2 people changed jobs, conserved fuel, saved money... they had to alter their lives to support the war effort. But they did it. We'd have no problem adapting again if the situation arose.
OK, well I would say that to collapse the Canadian government and military would take about 1-2 days. To get a hold of the entire country would take a little longer but still be relatively easy.
IAteYourMother
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Amplifier
Topic Title: Would it be possible to invade the US?
Topic Summary: edit: and occupy (for those who need it spelled out
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I can't make a comment on this here in OT as it would touch off another Firestorm.
How come this is not in P&N???
I would think the answer would be obvious
You don't take over a country by defeating its army. You take it over by delegitimizing its government. Without a central gov. all hell will break loose. No control. Then they just take over the rest of the country at will. First strikes to all of the 50 state capitals and washington would do it. Then mopping up exercises after that.
NuclearNed
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Thanks, it takes practice.
Oh, and you need to put the bong down if you think I was in any way serious.
Hmm.. Very true.Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Eli
No, but society would still at least begin to crumble at that point, and it would crumble more and more the longer we were in that situation.
That's all I was saying.
I think a misconception is that if the situation prevented us living our normal lives, our society would crumble. It wouldn't. We would adapt just as we have in the past. During WW2 people changed jobs, conserved fuel, saved money... they had to alter their lives to support the war effort. But they did it. We'd have no problem adapting again if the situation arose.
I guess it would just depend on the circumstances. I was thinking more along the lines of an overnight(Or at least over-week.... month maybe..) thing.
It would have to be sudden to throw us into chaos.
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