PhoKingGuy
Diamond Member
Then you have a shitty car. I've never inflated to anything but door jamb on any of the cars we have and the tires wear perfectly fine.
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Then you have a shitty car. I've never inflated to anything but door jamb on any of the cars we have and the tires wear perfectly fine.
PhoKingGuy
Diamond Member
More proof that you're 16
See, it's post like this that show how ignorant you are. "shitty car" What exactly is that suppose to mean? What are you going to lie and tell me that because the cars I drive and most other people I know drive have a twist beam, macpherson strut, double wishbone, multilink, etc. etc. suspension and that's why they wear on BOTH sides of the tire? Please... You'd POSSIBLY have a point if it was wearing on one side or on one side more than the other but that isn't the case. Also you fail to realize that a lot of the reason why people have wear on A side of a tire is not due to an alignment issue, but because they take corners really hard, causing the outerside of the tire to wear more prematurely.
But even then, wearing perfectly aside, why not inflate your tires until right before they start to wear down the middle (unevenly)? C'mon, list your reasons so I can pick em apart.
PhoKingGuy
Diamond Member
Ill take a picture of the front tires of my GTI tomorrow for you. I do not drive that car easily by any chance and the tires wear fine enough evenly. I dont inflate more than that because low profile tires + too much pressure + hard corner is not a good thing.
I have the tires on the Volvo S60 which is notorious for harsh handling as is at 51psi on all four tires. What I found was that the car took corners much better and didn't wear down the sides on the front tires like it used to. Unfortunately on the highway when it hits rough roads it's really loud and sometimes jarring but that's usually for short sections of highway and when I'm on newly paved sections it's just as good as in an LS400.
PhoKingGuy
Diamond Member
and I get the exact same thing at doorjamb, which is 38 PSI
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
A tyres load isn't based on its sidewall rating, nor does it require the tire to be inflated that high, it at 35 psi for standard car tires and 41 PSI for XL tires. You are wrong and to keep spouting that as a fact, which makes you look like an idiot.
Of course I know that a tyres load capacity is dependant on its inflation, that's basic high school physics, and obvious to anyone who experience with tyres...
*Everyone knows this*
Why would they need absolved of liability if inflating to the maximum sidewall pressure was absolutely safe? The answer is they wouldn't. If some random member of the public inflated them to their max sidewall, got in an accident and tried to sue the tire company, all they would have to do in court is stand up and say "Our tires and advice on how to inflate them were not responsible for the accident, here is a ream of data proving that inflating the tires to sidewall provides best grip, and best wear etc."
- Tirerack.com
The problem with the firestones was that people were not checking their tire pressures and were running them underinflated compared to the manufacturers recommendation. The recommended pressure was increased to prevent lazy people from killing themselves by not checking their tire pressures.
We all saw the video, with the clay and without the proper scaling of the dimples...
We all know that driving 2' off a tractor trailers ass will reduce the aerodynamic drag on the following car... we would just question the safety of doing so.
Not only has no one said this, it bears no relevance to cars.
Sorry we have provided links and data supporting our ideas. You have provided speculation, anecdotal evidence and hearsay...
You keep saying that tire pressure is a comprimise... but max sidewall or greater is best, without knowing what other peoples criteria are. Sure for a hypermiler max PSI may get them an extra few mpgs, but others may not like the harsh ride, and other associated problems.
I think you mean your parents/sisters tires... and it is perfectly reasonable for people to ask for evidence, you could have posted pics and given details about rotation, how many miles covered and fuel used... but I forgot that you don't own a car so you can't do that.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
You can't make cars period... therefore nobody cares about you.
You are also a douche, which means people actually dislike you.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha...
*gasp*
hahahahhahahahahahhahaaha!!!!
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Look up SNDS.
Look up VOID warranty.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
WARM AIR INTAKE?!?
BWHAHAHAHA... this thread keeps delivering!
PhoKingGuy
Diamond Member
Wow I didnt even catch that one, thats great.
I sent this one to my friend, its going on the wall tomorrow.
Ford vs. Firestone? Did you SEE how they were blaming each other!?!?! Because it would piss off manufacturers if they tried to make the most quiet, luxurious car only to have that destroyed by a tire company that makes its customers inflate to sidewall, making for a louder, rougher ride... Also there is the slight possibility of the tires wearing down the center, but judging by how many cars I've seen with wear along the sides, I'd say they couldn't give two shits about tire wear and only care about making the smoothest riding car out there while compromising on other things like handling, fuel economy, and in some cases road noise (rolling resistance).
c'mon, let's face it, the real reason ford chose 26psi is it was the only way to get that fucking pickup truck (Explorer was based on a pickup) from not riding like one. Also if you took a good look at those tires, I'm pretty sure you'd see wear down the sides.
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See, that's what you don't get. Two, three weeks ago if I said the same thing, we'd have everybody disputing it.
Plane on a treadmill, will it take off??
Same crap.
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Meh, if you wouldn't believe it, someone else wouldn't and they'd get into a heated argument about how driving 15 feet of a tractor trailer is not going to result in you getter better fuel economy even though it will.
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Actually people have said this, regardless of whether or not it's true.
What data? you don't have any data, you have links to consumer sites spouting out the same crap they've been saying since the beginning of time yet we've gone from solid tires, to inner tube bias tires, to tubeless bias tires, bias ply, radial and finally the much more advanced radial tires you have today. The risk of a tire wearing down the very center of a tire is reduced today due to being radials, even if you inflate to 100psi.
This was already established in other threads by me acknowledging the downfalls of higher tire pressure. However since his daughter didn't notice, she obviously didn't seem to care enough to tell daddy or whomever what she did. I have all the cars in my family inflated to sidewall and none of them have complained about it even when I prompted them the question. The unforseen benefit to harder tires besides fuel economy, handling and less likelihood of hydroplaning is that more people will actually complain about the terrible state our roads are in and maybe more of them will be improved. There is a particular section going from Highway 24 to 680 south that I really hate because there is a really high bump in the road and it's in the two far right hand lanes (you'll hit the bump if you don't change lanes).
Whether I own a car or not, I'm actually still capable of doing that.
Tell you what, if we can get a consensus of anandtech garage that I'm right and know what I'm talking about based solely upon the pictures I provide and the tire pressures that go along with them, then I'll do it. I'll go find cars that have wear down the sides yet are inflated to the rating on the door jam and then find cars that are inflated to sidewall and show you how perfectly even or near perfectly even wear they have. My friend's Dad's pickup is a great example of this, rear tires are near bald in the middle and in the front the tires are really worn down on the sides and I believe he is following the door jam's tire pressure recommendation.
I think the greatest irony (though maybe it isn't) is that never have I had so many people disagree with my on car philosophy as I've had on a NON CAR FORUM. Just because it's called "The garage" doesn't make Anandtech a car forum. Go to any other forum that is actually revolves around cars and you'll find quite a few of like minded individuals who say what I've been saying all along. Y'alls ignorance is not astounding but it does explain why statements I've made seem so "out there". I think I'm going to trust people on an actual car forum far more than I'm going to trust people on a computer forum which has a subforum dedicated to all things related to cars.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Yet you have still to provide proof other than your own anecdote that running at door jam psi causes uneven wear, and we have already established you don't even own a car yet...
boomerang
Lifer
When you get old enough to get your driver's license, there's a chance you'll have a better understanding about cars. In the meantime, you should think about a way to deal with your unhealthy obsession with tires. It's not good to have any one single thing dominate your thoughts to such a great degree.
Four posts in a row is a cry for help. Get that help.
BTW, speaking for myself, I don't even read your posts. I mean, just how much drivel can one read about tires? "The Tire Manifesto", by fleabag. Hardly a best seller.
Four posts in a row is a cry for help. Get that help.
BTW, speaking for myself, I don't even read your posts. I mean, just how much drivel can one read about tires? "The Tire Manifesto", by fleabag. Hardly a best seller.
Bignate603
Lifer
What college have you been going to? Must be skipping class and smoking dope it's no wonder you're not aware of writing out long passages..[/quote]
I wrote very long passages, 20 page reports were pretty common. However, I can only remember 1 or 2 courses that did essay tests in class and those were general ed classes that were a complete joke.
Just FYI, I graduated summa cum laude with my degree in mechanical engineering.
And there are forums out there on the web that talk about ghosts, aliens, denial of the holocaust, and about any crazy thing you want. Whatever your delusion is you can find a group of nutjobs on the internet that will agree with you.
Toastedlightly
Diamond Member
Yeah! My personal experience is that the pullout method works! Everybody should use it! This is an easy way to save money!
*I don't actually condone this, but this is what you are preaching!
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Shhhh... I am awful at doing that...
pray4mojo
Diamond Member
quoted for evidence. fleabag is 15.
post your "findings" evidence on an automobile forum and a large one as well. here's a few:
www.nasioc.com/forums
www.bimmerforums.com/forum
come back to us and let us know what they say.
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