Would I be foolish to upgrade?

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XBoxLPU

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Currently I have the Hitachi CML 174. I have had it for a good 2 years +. I have yet to notice any ghosting. And I have been very very pleased with it. Hell I wanted a 1600X1200 desktop at one point, so I switched back to my 19 inch CRT and after a couple of days I had go back to my LCD. I know now I am never going back to CRTs...

Anyway, the only things that really bug me about the Hitachi is that in games this monitor is dark in games. And in dark games... I can't see anything ( DOD ! ). Movies are basically unwatchable on it.

So I have been looking at new LCDs, something bigger then 20 inch because I want 1600x1200. But other then a resoultion bump am I going to to really see that much of a difference?

 
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Excelsior

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No, I do not think you would be foolish, necessarily. If you have the money, upgrade. If not, wait, and monitors will surely get better.
 
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XBoxLPU

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LG.Philips LCD LM201U04
Several months ago, we looked at Hitachi's 16ms response time LCD. This monitor was based off the first commercial 16ms panel, AUO's M170EN05. While this panel is good, it has a few adherent flaws to it. The first flaw is, of course, the 262,000 color limitation. Even though 16M colors can be achieved by dithering the pixels (emulated 24-bit), the evidence was clear when comparing our Samsung 172T and the Hitachi CML174 that Samsung had a dominate edge on color reproduction. Granted, AUO is working to fix that, but the limitations of the TN display mode will probably hinder their progress.

Dell's 2001FP is particularly interesting because it uses a 16ms panel that is not manufactured by AUO, the LG.Philips LM201U04. First of all, this panel dramatically increases the pixels on the screen from 1.3M to 1.9M. The second major accomplishment is that LG was able to achieve 16.7M color reproduction as well. Put in simpler terms, this means that each subpixel on the Dell 2001FP can reproduce all 256 shades where as each subpixel on the Hitachi CML174 could only do 64. Ergo the Dell 2001FP reproduces 24-bit color, while the Hitachi CML174 does 18-bit.

The pie gets sweeter the deeper you dig. As we mentioned earlier, the AUO 16ms panel uses a tweaked version of the TN display mode. While this worked great to keep the electric modulation down (that's how it achieves 16ms response times), it does not provide the best characteristics for viewing angle. Due to the orientation of the liquid crystals in the substrate, the IPS mode can tweak a few additional degrees out of the panel. On smaller 15" and 17" panels, this is not completely necessary, but once you start getting up into the 20?+ range, off angle viewing occurs more frequently.
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I might not be so foolish afterall
 
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stevty2889

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I've still got a pair of Hitachi CML 174's as well. Are you using the DVI or the analog connector for your Hitachi? I've never experienced any problems with things being too dark on either of mine, I'm using DVI.
 
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NokiaDude

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There must be something wrong with either the video card settings or the LCD's settings. Have to tried turning up the brightness in the LCD's menu?
 
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stevty2889

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On mine the brightness/contrast settings don't seem to work when using DVI, but work fine with Analog. I don't really even notice a differance in image quality when using them with an analog connection. Have you tried using the auto adjust button to see if it corrects the problem, or tried it with an analog connection, so that you can manualy adjust the brightness/contrast settings?
 
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XBoxLPU

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Weird

I went into LCD's settings. Under Auto and Input Select. "Use Analog Select" Is red and when I try to switch to digital... it doesn't change.

Hmmm
 
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