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Would Dell know if I flashed my 9800 NP to Pro?

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Originally posted by: Rollo<br
U'll feel the same way once u call up their tech support and gotta deal with an accent that u wont understand.
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It surprises me to see such pure unadulterated racism on Anand Lai Shrimpi's site. Do you starch those sheets Vonkhan, or just let them drape naturally?
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You need to check yourself, dude. Since when does not understanding someone accent equate to racism?
That came straight out of your head.

IMHO, hyper-sensitive political correctness is as big, or bigger, a problem nowadays as racism.
 
They usually lose millions every quarter. So every card some doofus burns up OCing and RMAs adds another $20> to the amount of money they lost that quarter. They don't have some "huge profit margin" you're stealing out of, they're losing money already and you're just making it worse.
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Oh really? Do you actually know how most companies claim profit/losses? Let me fill you in.....

Before the beginning of the fiscal year, comapnies hold meetings to discuss where they stand, what direction they want to go among onther things. One of the things is projected profit. Let's say for example that company X, after crunching all numbers for production, sales, overhead, etc. comes to the conclusion that they will earn a profit of $10,000,00 in the comming fiscal year. Now this is clear profit, after all expenditures. Now, at the end of said fiscal year, they show a profit of only $2,000,000. Guess what? They will report a LOSS of $8,000,000 even though they actually made money. The point is that you can't assume a company actually lost money just because that's what they said. True enough, some actually do lose money and if they continue to do so for very long they won't be a comapny anymore. But some of these comapnies that always seem to claim a loss (sports franchises come to mind) are quite full of sh!t in reality. If you think this is wrong, please fill me in on how a comapny that "loses millions every quarter" stays in business.

 
Originally posted by: TerryMathews
Originally posted by: shady06
Rollo, i COMPLETELY agree with you, but you gotta admit stealing from M$ (or ati) hurts them a lot less than stealing from homeless joe
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You're a Democrat, aren't you? :disgust:
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I'm a Democrat, I don't understand why you think a Democrat would agree with the above statement. My feeling about the above statement is that stealing from Microsfot is one reason homeless Joe is homeless, since it cut's into the number of people employed by Microsoft..


 
my god people, COMMON SENSE. i'm not saying it is more correct to steal from M$ or anything, all i'm saying it will hurt them less. i.e you pirate a copy of office XP and M$ loses some $$$. you steal homeless joes cans, and he cant eat, which causes him to die. get it?
 
I'm Indian myself, I HAVE trouble understanding my own countrymen's accents sometimes whats ur point???
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My point is that you said Dell "rips people off" by hiring support people whose only defect, according to you, is an accent they gained by not having English as a first language. Are you against people from the South, who sometimes speak slower and with different inflection as well? It's a racist thing to say that they're no good because they have an accent, whether you're Indian or not.


As far as MS/homeless Joe go: It may seem less offensive to steal from MS as they have a lot, but the crime is the same.

Anyone who runs a part out of spec, and then returns it, is a thief who's stolen another man's work.

 
Wow - I can't believe where this thread has gone... Now there's politics, war, religion, and business practices in it. 😉 😛

The simple answer to his question is there's a very good chance he can flash his card with a Pro BIOS and never have a single problem. And if something happens like the fan fails (his example) he could flash the card back to the original BIOS and RMA it. Or simply get a new HS/F combo for the card and fix it himself.
 
Originally posted by: lordtyranus2
Exactly. To billion dollar companies this makes no difference. It might add on fractions of a penny to other store purchases.
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It doesnt matter alot (not right thought) when one does it but when you theres 1000 or 10000s of people doing it...
 
It's people like you that are keeping my Dell stock in the toilet! 😉

Seriously MrMiyagi, you should see how far it will OC without flashing the bios and if it will reach Pro speeds with stability then you shouldn't have any problems flashing the bios. That being said, you should also be prepared to face the consequences of running the card out of spec and eat the loss if the card craps out on you. The only thing Dell owes you is a card that runs at 325/290 - nothing more and nothing less - for the warranty period that you received when you bought the system. You know right from wrong, as the title of your thread suggests. :beer: Cheers!
 
Rollo - If I'm paying for tech support but I cant understand a bloomin' word that they're saying ... it ain't much good, is it now? :disgust:

I'm sure any Indian would be just as pissed if Dell routed their phone calls to the Irish
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
But, if they are going to make 1 version of a product (say samsung 2.8) CLEARLY better than another (infiniteon 3.3), I claim my right to buy only the better product of the 2.

This is slightly different from breaking a card via overclocking, but its a similar principle. If my card breaks, I would simply claim its due to the fact that I don't have the proper RAM chips.
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<shakes head in disbelief at what our society has come to>
LordTyranus, it works like this:
1. It's just as wrong to steal from Bill Gates as it is Homeless Joe. It's still stealing.
2. Companies produce products and warrant them to work at their stated specifications. Just because you think they should work at different specifications does not give you the right to steal.
3. Big company or not, you are stealing the work other men/women do for a living. It's wrong to steal other people's work, even if you can get away with it.
4. OCing is variable due to a number of factors, not just "getting the right RAM" chips.

BTW- there is no "billions" of dollars for ATI, it's millions. They usually lose millions every quarter. So every card some doofus burns up OCing and RMAs adds another $20> to the amount of money they lost that quarter. They don't have some "huge profit margin" you're stealing out of, they're losing money already and you're just making it worse.

This attitude disgusts me. If I would have done things like this when I was a kid my Dad would have beat my a$$.
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Agreed on that. Thankfully, we don't live in a communist society (well, actually I'm pretty darn close, living in Sweden and all), where your amount of money is proportional to how evil you are.
 
Rollo - If I'm paying for tech support but I cant understand a bloomin' word that they're saying ... it ain't much good, is it now?
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The point is the same: them not having clearly enunciating tech support people does not excuse theft from their company. If they are impossible to understand they will not be employed long. For that matter, if you got one you couldn't understand you could always ask for another. It's not like they only have one. Therefore, you are out nothing on your paid for tech support.

The rest of you who agreed with me- good for you. I am impressed. Attitudes on this must be changing, or the thieves must be more embarassed about admitting their chicanery.

The guy who said 1000 or 10000 is right on the money, no pun intended. The people who are doing this are the people who are on these boards, and there are LOTS of them promoting this "free" performance. Look at Sharkyextreme's forum- every other guy on there has crap like "Mystic Knight of OCing" in his signature, and they sometimes brag about how many cards they've gone through, as if it's a badge of honor to steal more than the next guy.
 
Ask for another?

Its bad enough having to wait xx+ minutes on hold, then explain the problem to one techie ... only to do the same thing all over again?! Hell no way! My time's worth money and there's no reason why I should aggravate myself further!
 
The point is the same: them not having clearly enunciating tech support people does not excuse theft from their company. If they are impossible to understand they will not be employed long. For that matter, if you got one you couldn't understand you could always ask for another. It's not like they only have one.
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We can't. I tried calling up Dell a couple weeks ago, I could not understand a thing, and there were only a couple other techies there. It was around midnight their time. All of them have such thick accents, you can't understand a thing.

They are also CLUELESS about computers. I remember asking whether my processor on my Dad's dell was 533 or 800 mhz FSB, and the lady had no idea what a FSB is.

So, they fail on both accounts.
 
Hey guys,
Let's see if we can help him decide as to flash or not to flash. I would flash it, but first get one of the overclock software and run it at a higher clock speed first. If everything is OK under stress test, then the flash will be OK. The remaining problem will be in how well you flash it. So go ahead and flash it. I flashed my card and it works great. Another thing is if you really want to be sure, have a PCI card handy in case some thing goes wrong stick it in and reflash the old BIOS back in.
So to help out with the steps:
1) Overclock the card first to see if it runs OK at higher speed.
2) Save your present BIOS in case something goes wrong.
3) Flash the card, then reboot and enjoy the faster speed.

In case something goes wrong:
1) stick the old PCI card in.
2) get out the old BIOS you saved and reflash the card.
3) Retry the flash again if you want, now that you got more experience.

Good luck.

Sorry for the long paragraph before, but I am a bit fed up with the directions that this country is going.
 
I don't even know why you are talking on this thread anymore if your not even assisting the original poster of this thread.
 
No one is required to read anyone's posts. If you dislike them, you could always nudge the wheel on top of your mouse.
 
Sorry for the long paragraph before, but I am a bit fed up with the directions that this country is going.
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No need to apologize 🙂. I HATE people who say "F*ck big business...they have tons of money...they are out to screw us...etc." It's capitalism, and in its purest form everything balances itself out in the end. For example, If Dell has bad customer service they will loose business, and have to re-think and adapt their strategies. Also, if they decide someday that too many customers are messing with hardware and it's costing money they will need to change policy there (or figure out a way to tell who is doing what). We are not at that point however, because the companies (Dell) have not noticed or said anything about it (to my knowledge anyway.)

As for me, I'm not a little brat who is pushing his card without regard. I just want to juice it up to safe levels and get my money's worth. The only reason I was seriously worried was about the fan...I've had that go out way too many times on too many cards. It would suck to get stuck with a defective fan, and not be able to get a new card because of some unrelated modification (yeah...warraty is still obviously voided).

Anyway, I knew this thread would turn into a monster...shoulda put a disclaimer on the first post 😉

Late
 
Well, to get back on topic. LOL.

Generally, I for the most part would essentially have to agree with Jeff7181 comments here. If you mess with a card and break it, you are going to be on shaky ground with respect to warranty.

BUT ? ? BUT.! Consider the following.

In this review ? of the GigaByte and Sapphire 9600 pro ?
? Both Cards come with their own custom overclocking software. Gigabyte Supplies V-Tuner and Sapphire, Redline. ? ?
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So, both company?s are actually providing overclocking software and thereby encouraging the practice. Some hardware manufacturers are advertising guaranteed overclocks --- Sapphire guarantees their Fireblade special edition will reach 330Mhz (memory).

So, given that manufacturers (at least some) are actually encouraging overclocking, how much can one mess around with one?s graphic card and still be under warranty??? Certainly just overclocking should be OK. ATI?s new 3.8 drivers actually have an overclocking feature built in for the 9800XT.

Now if you flashed the BIOS, I would think you would be on pretty shaky ground if the BIOS-flash caused the card to not work and you couldn?t get it working again. If the card stopped working (while BIOS flashed) but it wasn?t attributable to the BIOS flash, then I think you would still be within your right to claim warrantee.
 
Its bad enough having to wait xx+ minutes on hold, then explain the problem to one techie ... only to do the same thing all over again?! Hell no way! My time's worth money and there's no reason why I should aggravate myself further!
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Vonkhan, you can rationalize it anyway you want to. No matter what you say, bad/slow/inept customer service is not an excuse to steal.

As far as the manufacturer included OCing utilities go, I don't have any problem with people using them. I did myself when I had the 5800, the nVidia drivers actually throttle the card back if it gets hot.
 
Originally posted by: MrMiyagi
Sorry for the long paragraph before, but I am a bit fed up with the directions that this country is going.
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No need to apologize 🙂. I HATE people who say "F*ck big business...they have tons of money...they are out to screw us...etc." It's capitalism, and in its purest form everything balances itself out in the end. For example, If Dell has bad customer service they will loose business, and have to re-think and adapt their strategies. Also, if they decide someday that too many customers are messing with hardware and it's costing money they will need to change policy there (or figure out a way to tell who is doing what). We are not at that point however, because the companies (Dell) have not noticed or said anything about it (to my knowledge anyway.)

As for me, I'm not a little brat who is pushing his card without regard. I just want to juice it up to safe levels and get my money's worth. The only reason I was seriously worried was about the fan...I've had that go out way too many times on too many cards. It would suck to get stuck with a defective fan, and not be able to get a new card because of some unrelated modification (yeah...warraty is still obviously voided).

Anyway, I knew this thread would turn into a monster...shoulda put a disclaimer on the first post 😉

Late
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OK. Can you tell us what are the markings on your RAM chips? If it's Samsung and something like GR33 or something like that then you have the same card as mine then the overclock should be fine.
Good luck.

 
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