Would Bruce Lee own every UFC/K1/etc fighter out there?

[Literati]

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: psteng19

Bruce Lee's punches are not a normal fighter's punches.
Any blow he lands would disable his opponent.

He was strong for his size, but he was only 140 lbs. He's not going to pack the punch of a 200 lb guy. His muscles were still human muscle, he's not a alien.

martial arts is not about size. Back when I was taking shotakan, people my age (albeit waay more advanced than I was at 14) could break concrete with their bare hands. These people train not to fight like they do in the UFC and grapple, but rather to kill in one hit. Bruce Lee is respected as the best martial artist in asia, and thus can easily take out any slow but powerful opponent based on speed and agility alone.

I'd like to see how well any UFC fighter reacts to punching 6 stacked cement blocks in front of them. Bruce Lee's punch will absolutely break their skulls

And then what? He's going to start throwing chi balls at us?

Originally posted by: ribbon13
Bruce Lee vs. Miyamoto Musashi.

Aha! I am almost done with his Biography and then I tackle The Book of Five Rings.

Anyways, this frustration is now starting to far out way my stimulation during the participation in this conversation.

I'm a rapper!

Anyways, honestly. It's painfully obvious most of you have no idea what you're talking about. In all seriousness, I'm not knocking on anyone but you don't.

I've seen one guy call Jackie Chan a joke. That alone tells me he knows nothing about Jackie Chans real life and is basing this off of movies and media.

I've seen another dude call UFC and Pride a joke too. And some others tell us that Lee is trained to kill in one hit or some sh!t.

You guys need a serious dose of www.Bullshido.com

I'm now going to sit back and watch you clueless monkeys smash away on your vintage typewriters until something of decent intelligence and investigation instead of imagination and cheap personal and unrealistic projection is formed.

You guys are probably all related to Phil Elmore.

WWW.BULLSHIDO.COM

oh and God bless the people who have posted in here, wether defending or otherwise, Bruce Lee with some intelligence and common sense.

"Why don't you just take a fowty five and... BANG, set toe it?"

 

[broon]

It's my understanding that there are fighters in Asia that are "true" fighters. You won't find them "selling out" on TV but these fights often times last several minutes but there is only one strike. The first stike is so powerful, accurate, and quick that the recipient can't react or defend it and it usually ends the fight.

 

[Literati]

WWW.BULLSHIDO.COM

 

[vshah]

Taki could smother him with her giant boobies

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Bruce Lee definitely was great, but he's also the object of much hype. Most of what people know about him they saw in movies or documentaries. Also, when you die at your peak you reach a kind of "supernatural" status in the minds of people because you don't get to see them losing or declining. In your mind they might as well be invinsible and never lose.

But he was a strict martial artist (not a wrestler), and we've seen how well they match up against mixed wrestling/martial arts disciplines like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. He would get humbled in the UFC. Maybe he could win the lightweight weight class, but he's not going to win the overall contest.

Bruce Lee invented a martial arts style which had equal emphasis on grappling. His martial arts style was tuned toward inflicted effective damage in street fights, not competitions. He fully understood that most long fights end up as a wrestling match. He also wasn't above biting.

But any guy who can blow the side out of a heavy punching bag with a side kick I think could hold his own against any size guy. Plus, he's fast as hell. The last documentary I watched mentioned (and showed footage to confirm) the fact that his movies were slowed down so audiences could see the action. He was much faster than portrayed.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Chraticn

Originally posted by: anxi80
kareem would want a rematch from 'game of death' and give him a run for his money.

whew, made my obligatory kareem reference for the day. i think bruce would still be in top form, even to this very day.

My respect for you has grown. I didn't think anyone else on these forums had seen game of death.

WAX!

Game of death was a horrible film. The lost footage pieced together on AMC was great though. It was worth watching for that fight with kareem. Bruce could beat Kareem though, he trained him. He knows that he's weak at close fighting. And if there's anyone fast enough to get past those huge frickin' powerhouse legs of his, its Bruce.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Reck
bruce lee wouldn't stand a chance. UFC guys have simply perfected the art of one on one combat....

I agree. Bruce Lee might get 10 punches/kicks to Randy Couture's face before Couture even had a chance to blink, but what good would that do? His head is cement. He'd grab Mr. Lee and snap him in half imho. Granted, it would be interesting to see.

Bruce Lee's punches are not a normal fighter's punches.
Any blow he lands would disable his opponent.

I dunno about that. Those are some huge fvcking guys. He might have to resort to some dirtier tactics, like trying to blow out a knee or the old groin attack. I think he'd do alright though, he's fast enough that he could probably avoid their attacks. And he's got amazing stamina and strength for his size. (Or, did rather)

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: Greyd
Bruce Lee was not just strong for his size/weight - he was ABNORMALLY strong. I remembering reading about some of the stuff he did.

Lee's feats of strength are the stuff of legend; from performing push-ups - on one hand! - or thumbs only pushups, to supporting a 125-pound barbell at arms length in front of him (with elbows locked) for several seconds, or sending individuals (who outweighed him by as much as 100 pounds in some instances) flying through the air and landing some 15 feet away as a result of a punch that Lee delivered from only one-inch away, the power that Bruce Lee could generate -- at a mere bodyweight of 135 pounds -- is absolutely frightening. Not to mention some of his other nifty little habits like thrusting his fingers through full cans of Coca-Cola and sending 300 pound heavy bags slapping against the ceiling with a simple side kick.

One article I read a while ago involved Bob Wall (from Enter the Dragon) and he described how thye got a VERY heavy heavy bag (like the one noted above) for Bruce as a joke - thinking it would be too much for him. He put it up in his garage and hung it from the rafters. After awhile, he ended up kicking it so hard the garage actually collapsed.

In addition, lots of Bruce Lee's philosophies and own practices were the basis of MMA. He mixed and matched to find what was the most effective. I would say a man who could do the above things would have a VERY good chance of seriously injuring or hurting someone, especially if he was caught up on his grappling.

unless i see a video or some sort of proof from a credible source, i call shens.

I have seen videos of the one inch punch. I wouldn't call it 15ft, but I could be wrong. It was maybe 10ft. It was against I believe the Judo champ at the time, and he was ready for it. And I've seen videos of the thumb pushups/one arm pushups. They're out there...grainy B&W footage but its in his documentary.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Reck
bruce lee wouldn't stand a chance. UFC guys have simply perfected the art of one on one combat....

I agree. Bruce Lee might get 10 punches/kicks to Randy Couture's face before Couture even had a chance to blink, but what good would that do? His head is cement. He'd grab Mr. Lee and snap him in half imho. Granted, it would be interesting to see.

Bruce Lee's punches are not a normal fighter's punches.
Any blow he lands would disable his opponent.

I dunno about that. Those are some huge fvcking guys. He might have to resort to some dirtier tactics, like trying to blow out a knee or the old groin attack. I think he'd do alright though, he's fast enough that he could probably avoid their attacks. And he's got amazing stamina and strength for his size. (Or, did rather)

Yeah, he's a dirty fighter but what I meant to say is that he's also a smart fighter.
He would pick out and aim for the weak spots that are common for all humans (eyes, throat, groin).
Like mentioned, it's not always about size and strength (in fact, I never even mentioned Bruce Lee's strength).
It's also technique, accuracy, and knowing where to land your strikes and make them count.
That's what I mean by disabling his opponents with his blows.

 

[HomerJS]

boards don't hit back!

 

[tennisflip]

Here's a pic of Bruce vs. Kareem Abdul-Jabar... http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~chenj/brucelee/images/game_of_death2.jpg

 

[Nocturnal]

No, Homer Simpson would though if he was real.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
boards don't hit back!

Karate Kid 2?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: HomerJS
boards don't hit back!

Karate Kid 2?

Bloodsport.

The actual quote was:
"Bricks don't hit back."

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: HomerJS
boards don't hit back!

Karate Kid 2?

Bloodsport.

The actual quote was:
"Bricks don't hit back."

in the bruce lee movie he said boards dont hit back, forget which one tho.

JB

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: HomerJS
boards don't hit back!

Karate Kid 2?

Bloodsport.

The actual quote was:
"Bricks don't hit back."

in the bruce lee movie he said boards dont hit back, forget which one tho.

JB

Ahh, now that you mention it, I think I remember Bruce Lee saying that now in one of his movies. Enter the Dragon?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: Greyd
Bruce Lee was not just strong for his size/weight - he was ABNORMALLY strong. I remembering reading about some of the stuff he did.

Lee's feats of strength are the stuff of legend; from performing push-ups - on one hand! - or thumbs only pushups, to supporting a 125-pound barbell at arms length in front of him (with elbows locked) for several seconds, or sending individuals (who outweighed him by as much as 100 pounds in some instances) flying through the air and landing some 15 feet away as a result of a punch that Lee delivered from only one-inch away, the power that Bruce Lee could generate -- at a mere bodyweight of 135 pounds -- is absolutely frightening. Not to mention some of his other nifty little habits like thrusting his fingers through full cans of Coca-Cola and sending 300 pound heavy bags slapping against the ceiling with a simple side kick.

One article I read a while ago involved Bob Wall (from Enter the Dragon) and he described how thye got a VERY heavy heavy bag (like the one noted above) for Bruce as a joke - thinking it would be too much for him. He put it up in his garage and hung it from the rafters. After awhile, he ended up kicking it so hard the garage actually collapsed.

In addition, lots of Bruce Lee's philosophies and own practices were the basis of MMA. He mixed and matched to find what was the most effective. I would say a man who could do the above things would have a VERY good chance of seriously injuring or hurting someone, especially if he was caught up on his grappling.

unless i see a video or some sort of proof from a credible source, i call shens.

I have seen videos of the one inch punch. I wouldn't call it 15ft, but I could be wrong. It was maybe 10ft. It was against I believe the Judo champ at the time, and he was ready for it. And I've seen videos of the thumb pushups/one arm pushups. They're out there...grainy B&W footage but its in his documentary.

i have seen a few of those myself.

But i wouldnt call it 10ft either. The few i have seen had the guy go about 5ft where there was 2 others there to litarely catch the guy. Then all 3 took a good fall.

At first i thought it was fake. But after watching it a few diffrent ones i think it was real.

The pictures of him doing the pushups is nuts. Not to mention when he has his shirt off and flexing its kinda sickening. NO body fat and awesome mucle defination. really amazing guy.

 

[TravisT]

I think Bruce lee would be pretty tough in a UFC match. But there are new styles of fighting such as Royce Gracie who is undoubtedly the best UFC fighter. UFC isn't so much about how strong you are, or how much pain you can endure. But if Royce Gracie could get his opponent on the ground, the match was over. And in a battle like UFC, chances are the fight is going to go to the mat at some point.

Bruce Lee would kill people if it required you to be staying up. But UFC is almost to the point of no rules.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Bruce Lee definitely was great, but he's also the object of much hype. Most of what people know about him they saw in movies or documentaries. Also, when you die at your peak you reach a kind of "supernatural" status in the minds of people because you don't get to see them losing or declining. In your mind they might as well be invinsible and never lose.

But he was a strict martial artist (not a wrestler), and we've seen how well they match up against mixed wrestling/martial arts disciplines like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. He would get humbled in the UFC. Maybe he could win the lightweight weight class, but he's not going to win the overall contest.

Well one thing about Wing Chun is that there are some grappling aspects involved. Although it is not mat wrestling, armbars, wrist locks, and shoulder wrenching is very common. This is not the only martial arts form that he knew either.

I am actually currently studying in my free time W.C. and I want to use it to close in and grapple.

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: TravisT
I think Bruce lee would be pretty tough in a UFC match. But there are new styles of fighting such as Royce Gracie who is undoubtedly the best UFC fighter. UFC isn't so much about how strong you are, or how much pain you can endure. But if Royce Gracie could get his opponent on the ground, the match was over. And in a battle like UFC, chances are the fight is going to go to the mat at some point.

Bruce Lee would kill people if it required you to be staying up. But UFC is almost to the point of no rules.

Gracie was successful in UFC but not as successful in PRIDE. The Gracie's lost to Sakuraba "Gracie Hunter". Sakuraba loses to Wanderlei Silva but outweighed by 20 pounds. Wanderlei Silva loses to Mark Hunt but outweighed by 50 pounds.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: TravisT
I think Bruce lee would be pretty tough in a UFC match. But there are new styles of fighting such as Royce Gracie who is undoubtedly the best UFC fighter. UFC isn't so much about how strong you are, or how much pain you can endure. But if Royce Gracie could get his opponent on the ground, the match was over. And in a battle like UFC, chances are the fight is going to go to the mat at some point.

Bruce Lee would kill people if it required you to be staying up. But UFC is almost to the point of no rules.

Gracie was successful in UFC but not as successful in PRIDE. The Gracie's lost to Sakuraba "Gracie Hunter". Sakuraba loses to Wanderlei Silva but outweighed by 20 pounds. Wanderlei Silva loses to Mark Hunt but outweighed by 50 pounds.

And Mark Hunt lost to Yoshida by the way of arm bar (Hunt out weighed Yoshida by 30lbs). But Yoshida did lose to Silva by decision.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: Greyd
Bruce Lee was not just strong for his size/weight - he was ABNORMALLY strong. I remembering reading about some of the stuff he did.

Lee's feats of strength are the stuff of legend; from performing push-ups - on one hand! - or thumbs only pushups, to supporting a 125-pound barbell at arms length in front of him (with elbows locked) for several seconds, or sending individuals (who outweighed him by as much as 100 pounds in some instances) flying through the air and landing some 15 feet away as a result of a punch that Lee delivered from only one-inch away, the power that Bruce Lee could generate -- at a mere bodyweight of 135 pounds -- is absolutely frightening. Not to mention some of his other nifty little habits like thrusting his fingers through full cans of Coca-Cola and sending 300 pound heavy bags slapping against the ceiling with a simple side kick.

One article I read a while ago involved Bob Wall (from Enter the Dragon) and he described how thye got a VERY heavy heavy bag (like the one noted above) for Bruce as a joke - thinking it would be too much for him. He put it up in his garage and hung it from the rafters. After awhile, he ended up kicking it so hard the garage actually collapsed.

In addition, lots of Bruce Lee's philosophies and own practices were the basis of MMA. He mixed and matched to find what was the most effective. I would say a man who could do the above things would have a VERY good chance of seriously injuring or hurting someone, especially if he was caught up on his grappling.

unless i see a video or some sort of proof from a credible source, i call shens.

I have seen videos of the one inch punch. I wouldn't call it 15ft, but I could be wrong. It was maybe 10ft. It was against I believe the Judo champ at the time, and he was ready for it. And I've seen videos of the thumb pushups/one arm pushups. They're out there...grainy B&W footage but its in his documentary.

i have seen a few of those myself.

But i wouldnt call it 10ft either. The few i have seen had the guy go about 5ft where there was 2 others there to litarely catch the guy. Then all 3 took a good fall.

At first i thought it was fake. But after watching it a few diffrent ones i think it was real.

The pictures of him doing the pushups is nuts. Not to mention when he has his shirt off and flexing its kinda sickening. NO body fat and awesome mucle defination. really amazing guy.

Yeah, it probably wasn't even 10ft. Its hard to say I guess. It definately wasn't 15ft though. The one I saw I think the guy fell back into a chair or something. It was the judo champ at the time, they had him in the interview and he said he couldn't figure out how the hell it happened.

I just read that article that was posted. Its pretty damning for Bruce Lee. And it brings up some very valid points.

 

[aznman]

Think about it people...bruce lee would think about who he is fighting and take them out as fast as he can...if it ended up with a kick to the nuts or maybe breaking ur nose to blind u with ur own tears, and blood he would do so, then take u out for the count. u really think these UFC guys are fast enough to keep up with him? hes not going to stand there and grapple with them, or have a straight boxing match of the sort, hes going to take u down has fast as he can and if he needs to break your clavicle manjorous to get u down as fast as he can he will do so....yeah i think bruce lee would slaughter anyone in less than 5 minutes if it were in an inclosed area....if not...ppl would just run away...hell i would...after shating in my pants....

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: aznman
Think about it people...bruce lee would think about who he is fighting and take them out as fast as he can...if it ended up with a kick to the nuts or maybe breaking ur nose to blind u with ur own tears, and blood he would do so, then take u out for the count. u really think these UFC guys are fast enough to keep up with him? hes not going to stand there and grapple with them, or have a straight boxing match of the sort, hes going to take u down has fast as he can and if he needs to break your clavicle manjorous to get u down as fast as he can he will do so....yeah i think bruce lee would slaughter anyone in less than 5 minutes if it were in an inclosed area....if not...ppl would just run away...hell i would...after shating in my pants....

Seriously man, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[FishaOfMen]

Drop Bruce Lee into an octagon with no introduction to mixed martial arts and he'd probably get beat. The sport has gone through so much evolution and the fighters are so technically sound that Bruce would be overmatched. However, I think Bruce would be pretty damn good if you gave him a few months to prepare. Grappling would obviously not be his strong-suit, but many strikers in MMA have done very well. If he learned grappling/submission defense to go along with his incredible striking abiility, he be like Chuck Liddell (a very accomplished UFC fighter) except probably a lot better.

And about Royce Gracie being the best UFC fighter, are you kidding me? Gracie took advantage of some sumo wrestlers and karate black belts in the early years of UFC. Put him in the octagon now and somebody like Randy Couture would beat him silly.