Would 850watts be overkill? PC Build questions.

[bde]

Hey guys,

I would like to put a pc together and a couple of questions came to mind

i7-8700K
32GB ram G.skill (2x16gb trident z series 3200mhz)
Asus rpg Strix geforce 1080 Ti oc
Asrock z370 taichi
Samsung 850 evo or 960 evo
case: Corsair carbide clear 400c

For the PS I'm debating between corsair hx850 or hx750?
I'm not the overclocking type of person and therefore I will probably not ever do it.

1)My question would a 850watt be an overkill? what would be my disadvantages? wouldn't it be a "better safe than sorry" approach?

2)Another question, given that I will not overclocking would I still need a better fan than the stock fan? like Corsair h80i liquid cooling or something? or it would only for showcasing it given that the lid of my case is glass?

Also

3)Would you recommend SSD SATA or SSD PCI-E?

Thanks a lot

 

[fastamdman]

If you aren't overclocking, why are you buying an overclocking processor? It always annoys me when people say they will NEVER overclock, but they buy the K sku's. Regardless, both the 850 watt and 850 watt will do you well. If you plan on ever upgrading to sli, I would go with the 850 watt. If you plan on always staying single gpu, I would go with the 750. However, I would look at the RM750X as it is cheaper and I personally believe a better power supply. Everyone has different opinions though. Personally I would go with that, or the AX760 right now. The ax760 is 150, but it's an amazing power supply, one of the best out on the market for the price in my opinion, which is backed up by reviews.

As far as the ssd sata or ssd pci-e, it depends on your budget. NVME drives are amazing, if you can afford it, grab it. I recommend the 960 pro or the 850 pro or the 850 evo for ssd's.

For cooling the cpu, I would swap it to the 8700 instead of the unlocked 8700k, and upgrade the cpu cooler. Better temps = a happier cpu and one that will live longer with less potential issues. The stock cooler works perfectly fine, but for 25 bucks you could have something much better. If you aren't going to overclock, water cooling is a bit over board. The only reason to go with water cooling is if you are overclocking or want a silent pc or if you like the looks of it. Personally, I would overclock and I would go with water cooling, but that is just me. How much do you know about overclocking and why do you not do it is my question? I've found that a lot of people who don't do it, don't realize the benefits and how simple it is. They are always afraid they are just gonna fry there pc and be outta cash. It's very difficult to fry chips these days.

 

[UsandThem]

If you aren't overclocking, why are you buying an overclocking processor? It always annoys me when people say they will NEVER overclock, but they buy the K sku's.

For cooling the cpu, I would swap it to the 8700 instead of the unlocked 8700k, and upgrade the cpu cooler. Better temps = a happier cpu and one that will live longer with less potential issues. The stock cooler works perfectly fine, but for 25 bucks you could have something much better.

I guess I annoy you then.

Some people like myself buy the "k" CPUs because they are the fastest ones available, clocked faster than their non-k counterparts. Everything I do with my PC is fast, and maybe 3-4 years down the line I can overclock it when it starts falling behind the "latest and greatest". Plus, they are worth more when it comes time to sell them.

OP, as far as your question the 8700k (or any "k" CPU) does not come with a stock heatsink. You will have to buy your own, and no you do not need liquid cooling to run at stock (or even overclock for that matter). You can get a nice quiet heatsink in the $25 - $80 range depending on how nice of one you want to buy.

You would be fine with a quality 650w power supply, but you could get a slightly bigger one if you wanted.

I believe you mean SSD (such as 850 EVO) vs NVMe (such as 960 EVO), and I own both. My beliefs are if you plan on keeping the PC for a while, it makes sense to put your operating system on a NVMe drive because they are very fast and very responsive. It's not a night and day difference like it is between a regular hard drive compared to an SSD, but it still is noticeable with many tasks.

 

[bde]

If you aren't overclocking, why are you buying an overclocking processor? It always annoys me when people say they will NEVER overclock, but they buy the K sku's. Regardless, both the 850 watt and 850 watt will do you well. If you plan on ever upgrading to sli, I would go with the 850 watt. If you plan on always staying single gpu, I would go with the 750. However, I would look at the RM750X as it is cheaper and I personally believe a better power supply. Everyone has different opinions though. Personally I would go with that, or the AX760 right now. The ax760 is 150, but it's an amazing power supply, one of the best out on the market for the price in my opinion, which is backed up by reviews.

As far as the ssd sata or ssd pci-e, it depends on your budget. NVME drives are amazing, if you can afford it, grab it. I recommend the 960 pro or the 850 pro or the 850 evo for ssd's.

For cooling the cpu, I would swap it to the 8700 instead of the unlocked 8700k, and upgrade the cpu cooler. Better temps = a happier cpu and one that will live longer with less potential issues. The stock cooler works perfectly fine, but for 25 bucks you could have something much better. If you aren't going to overclock, water cooling is a bit over board. The only reason to go with water cooling is if you are overclocking or want a silent pc or if you like the looks of it. Personally, I would overclock and I would go with water cooling, but that is just me. How much do you know about overclocking and why do you not do it is my question? I've found that a lot of people who don't do it, don't realize the benefits and how simple it is. They are always afraid they are just gonna fry there pc and be outta cash. It's very difficult to fry chips these days.

Thank you you answered my questions. I actually didn't know that the K was for overclocking. So here is what's happening I've been out of the PC world for over 10 years... now making a come back so my level of knowledge has is quite low. Please don't get pissed off.

Overclocking was really my thing back in AMD Athlon xp 2500 Barton chipset days in 2003, but today given that I'm getting a already powerful CPU I'm not going to overclock it at the moment, however in 2 years to get more juice out of the CPU for sure... again like you said overclocking is not like what it used to be, people were afraid of frying their CPU... I've noticed that when I saw that the manufacture's packaging suggests that...with BASE and OC clock info printed...I would still like to stick to the 8700K for future.

Based on what you said about the fan, I've made a decision to go with the corsair H80i cause it just looks so bad ass and given that I got a glass lid, I'd like to look at it time to time as well as future OC.

For PS I would like to be safe than sorry, so I will go with the 850, I'd like a corsair one tbh cause my case is and all that... I don't know, I just want it lol... would suggest a different than the HX, like RM or whatever?

For the NVME drives... you said they are amazing.. amazing how and I mean how would it change my life over a SSD data?

Finally what do you think of my choice of Motherboard?

 

[bde]

I guess I annoy you then.

Some people like myself buy the "k" CPUs because they are the fastest ones available, clocked faster than their non-k counterparts. Everything I do with my PC is fast, and maybe 3-4 years down the line I can overclock it when it starts falling behind the "latest and greatest". Plus, they are worth more when it comes time to sell them.

OP, as far as your question the 8700k (or any "k" CPU) does not come with a stock heatsink. You will have to buy your own, and no you do not need liquid cooling to run at stock (or even overclock for that matter). You can get a nice quiet heatsink in the $25 - $80 range depending on how nice of one you want to buy.

You would be fine with a quality 650w power supply, but you could get a slightly bigger one if you wanted.

I believe you mean SSD (such as 850 EVO) vs NVMe (such as 960 EVO), and I own both. My beliefs are if you plan on keeping the PC for a while, it makes sense to put your operating system on a NVMe drive because they are very fast and very responsive. It's not a night and day difference like it is between a regular hard drive compared to an SSD, but it still is noticeable with many tasks.

Thank you answered my question on NVME... that will be my choice. tbh I don't want to have anything to do with a hard drive again.

About the PS I'd still like a more powerful one ... any possible down side?

 

[fastamdman]

Thank you answered my question on NVME... that will be my choice. tbh I don't want to have anything to do with a hard drive again.

About the PS I'd still like a more powerful one ... any possible down side?

There is a downside to having a power supply that is over rated. Meaning if the wattage is to high, compared to what you are using, you aren't using it correctly. As I said above, I would highly recommend getting the AX760 from corsair. It's a very good power supply and would be perfect for your system and will have room to grow, aka will be able to add whatever you want, including SLI.

As far as your motherboard goes, I personally would go with an asus motherboard. The asus strix z370 or one of the asus maximus boards. I like systems to stay complete, all asus parts, all msi parts, all gigabyte parts etc. It makes things like aura sync or rgb fusion or whatever the hell they are calling it really easy. You can use one piece of software to control all of the lighting in your case. All the lights can be the same color, different colors, rainbow rotating all at the same time etc. When you start mix matching parts from different brands, this becomes extremely difficult and a hassle at times.

I would recommend the nzxt kraken x62 if you want a nice aio. It will perform better and it looks 1000x better. Looks are different for everyone, but it really really looks good. NVME drives are faster in every way compared to sata ssd's, but they are more expensive. Depending on your budget, I would get an NVME boot drive that is around 256gb or 512gb and then get a large like 1TB sata ssd for storage. If you need more space after that, grab a large mechanical hard drive for music, movies, pictures, etc. You can pick up like 4TB hard drives at pretty reasonable prices now.

What are you doing with the system that you need 32gb of ram? With the current ram prices, I would suggest going with 16gb's and then upgrading to 32 when prices come back to reasonable levels. I can't fathom spending 400+ dollars on 32gigs of ram.

 

[UsandThem]

Thank you answered my question on NVME... that will be my choice. tbh I don't want to have anything to do with a hard drive again.

About the PS I'd still like a more powerful one ... any possible down side?

You'll lose a little efficiency. Most PSUs are most efficient in the 40-70% load range. If you want a bigger PSU just to "play it safe", I wouldn't go larger than 750w (850w at the most if wanted to go that large for whatever reason). Just look at this review where they run FurMark on it:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review/16

This is the overall power consumption of the entire test PC (394w). With a 650w unit, you still have 256w free. And this chart is done with an overclocked i7-4960X which is more power hungry than the i7-8700k CPU you will be using.

 

[bde]

You'll lose a little efficiency. Most PSUs are most efficient in the 40-70% load range. If you want a bigger PSU just to "play it safe", I wouldn't go larger than 750w (850w at the most if wanted to go that large for whatever reason). Just look at this review where they run FurMark on it:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review/16

This is the overall power consumption of the entire test PC (394w). With a 650w unit, you still have 256w free. And this chart is done with an overclocked i7-4960X which is more power hungry than the i7-8700k CPU you will be using.

Thank you so much I was looking for a page like that!!! I see now that the 850W is simply unnecessary!

 

[bde]

There is a downside to having a power supply that is over rated. Meaning if the wattage is to high, compared to what you are using, you aren't using it correctly. As I said above, I would highly recommend getting the AX760 from corsair. It's a very good power supply and would be perfect for your system and will have room to grow, aka will be able to add whatever you want, including SLI.

As far as your motherboard goes, I personally would go with an asus motherboard. The asus strix z370 or one of the asus maximus boards. I like systems to stay complete, all asus parts, all msi parts, all gigabyte parts etc. It makes things like aura sync or rgb fusion or whatever the hell they are calling it really easy. You can use one piece of software to control all of the lighting in your case. All the lights can be the same color, different colors, rainbow rotating all at the same time etc. When you start mix matching parts from different brands, this becomes extremely difficult and a hassle at times.

I would recommend the nzxt kraken x62 if you want a nice aio. It will perform better and it looks 1000x better. Looks are different for everyone, but it really really looks good. NVME drives are faster in every way compared to sata ssd's, but they are more expensive. Depending on your budget, I would get an NVME boot drive that is around 256gb or 512gb and then get a large like 1TB sata ssd for storage. If you need more space after that, grab a large mechanical hard drive for music, movies, pictures, etc. You can pick up like 4TB hard drives at pretty reasonable prices now.

What are you doing with the system that you need 32gb of ram? With the current ram prices, I would suggest going with 16gb's and then upgrading to 32 when prices come back to reasonable levels. I can't fathom spending 400+ dollars on 32gigs of ram.

Lol about the RAM i guess you could say im a little crazy? maybe? lol.... all I want to do is play SC2, Overwatch, maybe PUBG and other FPS games like COD...but all with absolute maximum graphics settings! maybe you are right and I don't need that.

I'm about to research the two MB's you suggested as I know nothing about them, although I know that the Maximus is more than double the price of strix lol I wanna find out why.

and... you are right about the nzxt kraken x62... it does look sick but umm FK me my bill is already at 3500$ cnd before taxes.... lol maybe if I cut down on the ram I can go for the kraken?

I've decided to go with the NVMe 500gb only.

for the PSU I will go with what you recommended.

I will get back to you on the MB though, thanks for your input...also feel free to suggest anything at all...

 

[fastamdman]

Lol about the RAM i guess you could say im a little crazy? maybe? lol.... all I want to do is play SC2, Overwatch, maybe PUBG and other FPS games like COD...but all with absolute maximum graphics settings! maybe you are right and I don't need that.

I'm about to research the two MB's you suggested as I know nothing about them, although I know that the Maximus is more than double the price of strix lol I wanna find out why.

and... you are right about the nzxt kraken x62... it does look sick but umm FK me my bill is already at 3500$ cnd before taxes.... lol maybe if I cut down on the ram I can go for the kraken?

I've decided to go with the NVMe 500gb only.

for the PSU I will go with what you recommended.

I will get back to you on the MB though, thanks for your input...also feel free to suggest anything at all...

I suggest sticking with 16gb of ram if all you want to do is gaming. If you aren't gaming at 4k, a gtx 1080 would suit you well even. I am running an 8700k, gtx 1080, asus strix z370-E motherboard, 16gb of ram and I can play all games at the highest settings possible with zero issues. I play at 1080p on a 144hz display as I play semi professionally. Cut down on the ram and go with the kraken x62. If you want to save another 200-300 go with the gtx 1080.

The maximum x hero is the only other board I would consider besides the strix z370-E. The rest are over priced drastically. But personally I would stick with the asus board, asus graphics card theme so it all matches and all of it will work together rgb wise easily.

Don't forget to include thermal paste and if you have extra in the budget, grab a couple quiet fans. If you go with a gtx 1080, a whole system should run you around 1700 dollars usd.

 

[bde]

I suggest sticking with 16gb of ram if all you want to do is gaming. If you aren't gaming at 4k, a gtx 1080 would suit you well even. I am running an 8700k, gtx 1080, asus strix z370-E motherboard, 16gb of ram and I can play all games at the highest settings possible with zero issues. I play at 1080p on a 144hz display as I play semi professionally. Cut down on the ram and go with the kraken x62. If you want to save another 200-300 go with the gtx 1080.

The maximum x hero is the only other board I would consider besides the strix z370-E. The rest are over priced drastically. But personally I would stick with the asus board, asus graphics card theme so it all matches and all of it will work together rgb wise easily.

Don't forget to include thermal paste and if you have extra in the budget, grab a couple quiet fans. If you go with a gtx 1080, a whole system should run you around 1700 dollars usd.

My monitor is asus VP28UQG, it's a 4k monitor running at 60hz.I got this for my console gaming, but im glad it has 2 HDMI 2.0 ports vs some other 1ms 4k gaming monitors with only 1 HDMI 2.0 port.

okay so if im going with 16gb ram, what brand would you suggest at this point should i stick to the g.skill trident z 3200?

From the website canadacomputers.com where I'm trying to purchase everything they dont have the kraken x62 they got x42 what do you think about that?

 

[fastamdman]

My monitor is asus VP28UQG, it's a 4k monitor running at 60hz.I got this for my console gaming, but im glad it has 2 HDMI 2.0 ports vs some other 1ms 4k gaming monitors with only 1 HDMI 2.0 port.

okay so if im going with 16gb ram, what brand would you suggest at this point should i stick to the g.skill trident z 3200?

From the website canadacomputers.com where I'm trying to purchase everything they dont have the kraken x62 they got x42 what do you think about that?

As far as the ram goes, you want to find a happy medium of the following: Lowest price, Fastest speed, Lowest Latency. For example, it should be like the following, ddr4 3200 cl 14 for 200 bucks. Anything around there will be good. Personally, I really like the g.skill trident z's that I am using. They aren't the best / fastest on the market, but they are extremely nice. I love the rgb as well, it really looks good in my case.

For the water cooler, if they don't have the x62, I wouldn't buy the x42 personally. It's a 120mm aio, which won't cool nearly as well as a 240+mm radiator would. Can you try to find it from a different site? Otherwise it looks like they have the evga 280mm radiator. Make sure 280 will fit in your case though, some only only 240mm radiators. It seems like that sight has a lot of water cooling stuff on it. I would find what looks best to you, that is 240+ or higher, just make sure it fits

 

[bde]

As far as the ram goes, you want to find a happy medium of the following: Lowest price, Fastest speed, Lowest Latency. For example, it should be like the following, ddr4 3200 cl 14 for 200 bucks. Anything around there will be good. Personally, I really like the g.skill trident z's that I am using. They aren't the best / fastest on the market, but they are extremely nice. I love the rgb as well, it really looks good in my case.

For the water cooler, if they don't have the x62, I wouldn't buy the x42 personally. It's a 120mm aio, which won't cool nearly as well as a 240+mm radiator would. Can you try to find it from a different site? Otherwise it looks like they have the evga 280mm radiator. Make sure 280 will fit in your case though, some only only 240mm radiators. It seems like that sight has a lot of water cooling stuff on it. I would find what looks best to you, that is 240+ or higher, just make sure it fits

same here going with rbg trident g.skill 3200 2 x8gb, whats the diffrence between 4x4GB vs 2x8GB?

tbh honest i really like the x62 but I read some serious failure reviews and became skeptical and for me to buy it from amazon easy return & refund and exchange is important... another thing is if I go with the x62 I'd like my case to be zxnt as well. I have to put more thought into it actually.

another issue I've encountered is that i need to return my current monitor (i have about 7 days left to return) and get a G-SYNC monitor to take advantage of the g-sync and not be limited at 60hz... was thinking about the asus PG279Q... what do you think about it?

 

[fastamdman]

@bde You want 2x8gb as dual channel is faster. With 4x4 you have 4 sticks and can't upgrade easily later on. As far as the x62 goes, ALL all in one coolers will have negative reviews from time to time. It's from idiots who install them improperly and rushed manufacturing. It happens to every single company out there. It doesn't make a lot of sense to replace a case just because of a water cooler though...that part I don't understand. Pretty much all of the water coolers look the same, minus the logo on the block. I'm using the x61 kraken in a corsair 900D and it looks great. If you read reviews of the x62 from testing websites, you will see that it is a great performer.

The PG279Q is an amazing monitor. It's one of the best on the market in my opinion. If I could afford one, I would buy it in a heart beat!

 

[LTC8K6]

4X4 and 2X8 will both run in dual channel mode.

The only advantage to 2X8 for a non-overclocker is the ability to easily add more ram later on in the empty ram slots.

If you went 4X4, you'd have to remove two sticks to upgrade.

For an overclocker, 2X8 is probably slightly more likely to run at better clock speeds than 4X4.

The ram is likely going to run at the stock 2666 for a person who is not overclocking.

 

[fastamdman]

4 sticks puts a great load on the memory controller. Not only is it harder to upgrade, but its harder on your hardware as well. It also introduces 2 more variables to fail at any given time. The less parts that can fail, the better.

 

[bde]

4 sticks puts a great load on the memory controller. Not only is it harder to upgrade, but its harder on your hardware as well. It also introduces 2 more variables to fail at any given time. The less parts that can fail, the better.

Thank you! very good point... most likely I will upgrade in the future.

 

[bde]

4X4 and 2X8 will both run in dual channel mode.

The only advantage to 2X8 for a non-overclocker is the ability to easily add more ram later on in the empty ram slots.

If you went 4X4, you'd have to remove two sticks to upgrade.

For an overclocker, 2X8 is probably slightly more likely to run at better clock speeds than 4X4.

The ram is likely going to run at the stock 2666 for a person who is not overclocking.

wait the g.skill rbg trident z 2 x 8GB 3200MHZ runs at 2666 stock??

 

[bde]

@bde You want 2x8gb as dual channel is faster. With 4x4 you have 4 sticks and can't upgrade easily later on. As far as the x62 goes, ALL all in one coolers will have negative reviews from time to time. It's from idiots who install them improperly and rushed manufacturing. It happens to every single company out there. It doesn't make a lot of sense to replace a case just because of a water cooler though...that part I don't understand. Pretty much all of the water coolers look the same, minus the logo on the block. I'm using the x61 kraken in a corsair 900D and it looks great. If you read reviews of the x62 from testing websites, you will see that it is a great performer.

The PG279Q is an amazing monitor. It's one of the best on the market in my opinion. If I could afford one, I would buy it in a heart beat!

on newegg.ca I read multiple multiple bad reviews on x62! I agree with you, you cant please the whole world, but check the comments its more than the average dumbass "I'm never happy" kinda guy... I would actually go out of my way to get it from amazon or something I really would but I need some pushing lol and now those comments are making me nervous... What do you think?

 

[dave_the_nerd]

For a system with a single GPU and even a mild overclock, a ~600w PSU should give you plenty of overhead.

A 750w or 850w PSU isn't going to hurt anything, really (you might get a small power efficiency hit, but most 80+ or 90+ PSUs won't be hurt much by that) but I don't generally recommend people spend money on things they won't need or use.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I just put together my Coffee Lake system at xmas:

- i7-8700 NON-K. 65 watt TDP instead of 91 watt, only 100 MHz slower turbo when not overclocking
- 32 GB Crucial DDR4 - 2666 (16 x 2)
- ASRock z370 Extreme 4 - nice motherboard, nothing missing that I'd want
- Noctua NHU12S cooler - wabbit hunting quiet
- 3 x SATA3 SSDs
- GTX 980ti from old system (waiting for the 2080ti)
- Seasonic Prime Titanium 650 watt PSU

I've been using Seasonic for 10+ years, and the savings from the $145 motherboard and $340 CPU covered the cost of buying the best model. Besides the tiny electric bill savings the super-efficient PSU will also generate a little less waste heat.

I'm happy with it so far.

 

[fastamdman]

wait the g.skill rbg trident z 2 x 8GB 3200MHZ runs at 2666 stock??

If you turn on XMP in your bios, they will run at 3200mhz. For the x62, I would disregard the bad reviews. Most of them are about the cam software not recognizing the device correctly (which has been updated) or it's about pump failures after X amount of time. There are A LOT of things that can lead pumps to fail and almost all of the companies use the same manufacturer for the pumps. The pump that is in the x62 is the same pump that is in the majority of the corsairs and the majority of other aio's. Asetek is the number one maker of pumps for these water cooling kits. So whether its an x62 with an asetek pump or an h100 with an asetek pump or anything else, who cares lol. Grab what looks the best and enjoy it. Grab it off amazon, spend 1 dollar for the 2 year warranty if you are that worried about it.

PS: I would suggest keeping an eye on your thermals though. You can setup software to do things like beep, display led's to red in your case, etc etc if your temps get to high. Pumps do fail, but my x61 has been running strong for the last 3 years now without any issues. I trust nzxt and I will be upgrading to the x62 whenever this stops performing as well as it is currently

 

[bde]

If you turn on XMP in your bios, they will run at 3200mhz. For the x62, I would disregard the bad reviews. Most of them are about the cam software not recognizing the device correctly (which has been updated) or it's about pump failures after X amount of time. There are A LOT of things that can lead pumps to fail and almost all of the companies use the same manufacturer for the pumps. The pump that is in the x62 is the same pump that is in the majority of the corsairs and the majority of other aio's. Asetek is the number one maker of pumps for these water cooling kits. So whether its an x62 with an asetek pump or an h100 with an asetek pump or anything else, who cares lol. Grab what looks the best and enjoy it. Grab it off amazon, spend 1 dollar for the 2 year warranty if you are that worried about it.

PS: I would suggest keeping an eye on your thermals though. You can setup software to do things like beep, display led's to red in your case, etc etc if your temps get to high. Pumps do fail, but my x61 has been running strong for the last 3 years now without any issues. I trust nzxt and I will be upgrading to the x62 whenever this stops performing as well as it is currently

Lol i didnt see your reply until now! But Thats exactly what i did last night! I ordered off amazon and got the warranty but in canadian amazon the waranty was 27$ lol!
When you tell me its been running strong for 3 years... and you said “when it will stop working” you will change it... that sounds to me almost that its expexted to fail at some point lol like why???

 

[StinkyPinky]

I would go for the 750W. 850W is overkill unless you have a multi GPU setup. 650W would even be enough for what listed.

I would choose a samsung nvme ssd (960 evo or even pro).

I would go for the i7-8700 if you don't overclock, although you could argue the k version will sell better if you want to go that way.

A mid level air cooler is perfectly fine if you don't overclock.

 

[fastamdman]

Lol i didnt see your reply until now! But Thats exactly what i did last night! I ordered off amazon and got the warranty but in canadian amazon the waranty was 27$ lol!
When you tell me its been running strong for 3 years... and you said “when it will stop working” you will change it... that sounds to me almost that its expexted to fail at some point lol like why???

I have a pretty good understanding of fluid dynamics, thermal dynamics and of engineering. I recognize that there are multiple points of failures in a water cooling system. For example the following this could happen at any time. Pump failure, fitting failure (causing the liquid to spill onto hardware, albeit extremely rare), Water block gets gunked up and stops flowing, Tubing gets a gash in it and leaks fluid all over (Please don't ask why this would happen, but know that it's 10000x times more possible to happen in my system than yours lol). The list goes on and on, but there are plenty of things that CAN fail in a liquid cooling setup. It's rare, but ALL pumps will eventually fail. Mechanical devices in general aren't meant to last forever. Permeation is another factor as well.