Worth the jump to AM2 this summer?

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
Well South Africa is far away from digital AND HDTV, 2010 at earliest for anything except satelite...

You can still record older analogue TV on your PC in a TiVO like fashion.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Looney
I'm personally going to skip AM2 and jump on Conroe.

That is also a consideration, but 1) Intel's prices would simply have to be more competitive, as AMD has always offered the better value since I've been building computers, and 2) since I already have a nice socket 939 board and a gig of really good DDR memory, I think if I just got an X2 processor and doubled my RAM I'd be good for another year to 18 months, wouldn't you think?

Good luck installing more than 4GB on a socket 939 system.

1. Soon DDR1 prices will be much higher than DDR2
2. The majority of socket 939 boards do not support more than 4GB
3. Memory Denisties will increase drasticly for DD2
4. DDR1 DIMM's most likely won't get much larger than 2GB on average, I know some rare 4GB dimms exist, but they are rare and setting them up in dual channel on 939 boards is pointless.
5. If you eventualy want more then 4GB+ get socket M2 and your memory budget will thank you later.

ABIT is the only manufacturer of Socket 939 to Support 8GB of RAM on most of their motheboards. Thank you ABIT.

Uhh, wtf? I currently have a gig and said I wanted to double it.

Apparantly reading is not one of your best attributes.

I don't see what I misread. All you're talking about is going above 4 GB and I obviously would never be going beyond 2 with this board.

If you upgrade to Vista, it will not be long before you may desire to have more than 4GB to take advantage of 64-bit capabilities. DDR1 RAM densities will not grow that much more in compairison to DDR2. DDR2 will only get cheaper while like PC133, DDR1 will skyrocket in price.

512MB of PC133 costs more than 1GB of DDR1 in todays market. Just 3.5 years ago, I purcheased 512MB of CAS2 PC133 for about $68 @crucial.com and today it sells for $95-126.

Yes, you're right, but we're talking about the most logical upgrade path THIS summer, considering my current system. Even if I get Vista this fall/winter (I might not), I'm sure 2 GB would still be fine through all of 2007.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Looney
I'm personally going to skip AM2 and jump on Conroe.

That is also a consideration, but 1) Intel's prices would simply have to be more competitive, as AMD has always offered the better value since I've been building computers, and 2) since I already have a nice socket 939 board and a gig of really good DDR memory, I think if I just got an X2 processor and doubled my RAM I'd be good for another year to 18 months, wouldn't you think?

Good luck installing more than 4GB on a socket 939 system.

1. Soon DDR1 prices will be much higher than DDR2
2. The majority of socket 939 boards do not support more than 4GB
3. Memory Denisties will increase drasticly for DD2
4. DDR1 DIMM's most likely won't get much larger than 2GB on average, I know some rare 4GB dimms exist, but they are rare and setting them up in dual channel on 939 boards is pointless.
5. If you eventualy want more then 4GB+ get socket M2 and your memory budget will thank you later.

ABIT is the only manufacturer of Socket 939 to Support 8GB of RAM on most of their motheboards. Thank you ABIT.

Uhh, wtf? I currently have a gig and said I wanted to double it.

Apparantly reading is not one of your best attributes.

I don't see what I misread. All you're talking about is going above 4 GB and I obviously would never be going beyond 2 with this board.

If you upgrade to Vista, it will not be long before you may desire to have more than 4GB to take advantage of 64-bit capabilities. DDR1 RAM densities will not grow that much more in compairison to DDR2. DDR2 will only get cheaper while like PC133, DDR1 will skyrocket in price.

512MB of PC133 costs more than 1GB of DDR1 in todays market. Just 3.5 years ago, I purcheased 512MB of CAS2 PC133 for about $68 @crucial.com and today it sells for $95-126.

Yes, you're right, but we're talking about the most logical upgrade path THIS summer, considering my current system. Even if I get Vista this fall/winter (I might not), I'm sure 2 GB would still be fine through all of 2007.

I tend to look a little more than six months in the long term of owning a PC. When Planning to buy, I look for the parts that will give the longest possible life for a given dollar amount. If you buy a new computer every summer, then I suppose that the motherboards ram limit is not much an issue.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Looney
I'm personally going to skip AM2 and jump on Conroe.

That is also a consideration, but 1) Intel's prices would simply have to be more competitive, as AMD has always offered the better value since I've been building computers, and 2) since I already have a nice socket 939 board and a gig of really good DDR memory, I think if I just got an X2 processor and doubled my RAM I'd be good for another year to 18 months, wouldn't you think?

Good luck installing more than 4GB on a socket 939 system.

1. Soon DDR1 prices will be much higher than DDR2
2. The majority of socket 939 boards do not support more than 4GB
3. Memory Denisties will increase drasticly for DD2
4. DDR1 DIMM's most likely won't get much larger than 2GB on average, I know some rare 4GB dimms exist, but they are rare and setting them up in dual channel on 939 boards is pointless.
5. If you eventualy want more then 4GB+ get socket M2 and your memory budget will thank you later.

ABIT is the only manufacturer of Socket 939 to Support 8GB of RAM on most of their motheboards. Thank you ABIT.

Uhh, wtf? I currently have a gig and said I wanted to double it.

Apparantly reading is not one of your best attributes.

I don't see what I misread. All you're talking about is going above 4 GB and I obviously would never be going beyond 2 with this board.

If you upgrade to Vista, it will not be long before you may desire to have more than 4GB to take advantage of 64-bit capabilities. DDR1 RAM densities will not grow that much more in compairison to DDR2. DDR2 will only get cheaper while like PC133, DDR1 will skyrocket in price.

512MB of PC133 costs more than 1GB of DDR1 in todays market. Just 3.5 years ago, I purcheased 512MB of CAS2 PC133 for about $68 @crucial.com and today it sells for $95-126.

Yes, you're right, but we're talking about the most logical upgrade path THIS summer, considering my current system. Even if I get Vista this fall/winter (I might not), I'm sure 2 GB would still be fine through all of 2007.

I tend to look a little more than six months in the long term of owning a PC. When Planning to buy, I look for the parts that will give the longest possible life for a given dollar amount. If you buy a new computer every summer, then I suppose that the motherboards ram limit is not much an issue.

Well I did say all of 2007. If I do an upgrade this summer that is 18 months, like I said in a previous post, and many people even said they would expect it to last longer than that. So it seems like a logical move to me.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Looney
I'm personally going to skip AM2 and jump on Conroe.

That is also a consideration, but 1) Intel's prices would simply have to be more competitive, as AMD has always offered the better value since I've been building computers, and 2) since I already have a nice socket 939 board and a gig of really good DDR memory, I think if I just got an X2 processor and doubled my RAM I'd be good for another year to 18 months, wouldn't you think?

Good luck installing more than 4GB on a socket 939 system.

1. Soon DDR1 prices will be much higher than DDR2
2. The majority of socket 939 boards do not support more than 4GB
3. Memory Denisties will increase drasticly for DD2
4. DDR1 DIMM's most likely won't get much larger than 2GB on average, I know some rare 4GB dimms exist, but they are rare and setting them up in dual channel on 939 boards is pointless.
5. If you eventualy want more then 4GB+ get socket M2 and your memory budget will thank you later.

ABIT is the only manufacturer of Socket 939 to Support 8GB of RAM on most of their motheboards. Thank you ABIT.

Uhh, wtf? I currently have a gig and said I wanted to double it.

Apparantly reading is not one of your best attributes.

I don't see what I misread. All you're talking about is going above 4 GB and I obviously would never be going beyond 2 with this board.

If you upgrade to Vista, it will not be long before you may desire to have more than 4GB to take advantage of 64-bit capabilities. DDR1 RAM densities will not grow that much more in compairison to DDR2. DDR2 will only get cheaper while like PC133, DDR1 will skyrocket in price.

512MB of PC133 costs more than 1GB of DDR1 in todays market. Just 3.5 years ago, I purcheased 512MB of CAS2 PC133 for about $68 @crucial.com and today it sells for $95-126.

Yes, you're right, but we're talking about the most logical upgrade path THIS summer, considering my current system. Even if I get Vista this fall/winter (I might not), I'm sure 2 GB would still be fine through all of 2007.

I tend to look a little more than six months in the long term of owning a PC. When Planning to buy, I look for the parts that will give the longest possible life for a given dollar amount. If you buy a new computer every summer, then I suppose that the motherboards ram limit is not much an issue.

Well I did say all of 2007. If I do an upgrade this summer that is 18 months, like I said in a previous post, and many people even said they would expect it to last longer than that. So it seems like a logical move to me.

By then 2 GB dimms will be a dime a dozen and that means you will have 6GB of ram but your motherboard will not be able to access all of it. . Socket M2 is just a few months away, I suggest it will be worth the wait for it or conroe.

 

[morkus64]

Originally posted by: SonicIce

Originally posted by: morkus64
i just ordered the AsRock mobo with the future slot... I'm not sure if i'll make the jump to AM2. Maybe, after i see some benchmarks on that particular board using the futureslot.

what exactly is that slot for anyway?

Exactly what Googer said... It'll hold a daughtercard with an am2 socket and ddr2 ram slots i believe

i'm wondering if someone will hack it to allow two cpus along with the 2 video cards.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: morkus64

Originally posted by: SonicIce

Originally posted by: morkus64
i just ordered the AsRock mobo with the future slot... I'm not sure if i'll make the jump to AM2. Maybe, after i see some benchmarks on that particular board using the futureslot.

what exactly is that slot for anyway?

Exactly what Googer said... It'll hold a daughtercard with an am2 socket and ddr2 ram slots i believe

i'm wondering if someone will hack it to allow two cpus along with the 2 video cards.

The probabilty of it happening is highly unlikely and you could never use Athlons, since AMD multiprocessing requires two or more hypertransport links per CPU. The easiest way would be to buy the M2 and get a dual core CPU.

A hack would involve tediously soldering 1,880 CPU Pins, numerous capacitors, resistors, diodes, and a minimum of 960 contact points and traces for two sets of DDR2 DIMM's. A hacked bios would also be needed. And the expansion slot may not have enough I/O pins to accomodate the needed communication lines between the northbridge and the processing units.

Dual Socket motherboards for AMD can be found for $200-220 with Dual X16 Slots. That is about the same price as a modern high end A8N32 SLI, AN8 Fatl1ty, or DFI Lan Party in socket 939. It is just cheaper and easier to buy on of these. Considering the cost of TWO Opteron 2xx or 8xx CPU's (single or dual core) $75-125 is not much of a savings for something that can cause a lot of problems or totaly fry a CPU.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Whenever quad core CPUs come out, I'll get whichever board supports them. I'm REALLY stretching my Athlon XP 2600+ out.

Quad cores are useless since we as consumer end users are not yet fully reaping the benefits from dual cores. I think quad cores will kick off in 2008+ at the earliest for consumers, and will be fully utilised by software in 2010. Most non enthusiast end users haven?t even heard of dual cores yet.

Its useless .. well .. unless you are a Server power user, that likes to play database

I got to throw in my 2¢ on this, here's a screenshot of my dual-core rig hard at work:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/mechBgon/I_WANT_QUAD-CORE.gif

The Adobe Premiere Elements 2.0 software is multiprocessor-aware and doubled its performance when I went from single-core to dual-core. As you can see, I'm also capturing from a camera using my Hauppage PVR-150 at the same time, as well as burning a CD in my second DVD burner, shopping two online stores D), running VirusScan Enterprise 8.0i... yeah, I think I'm gonna want that quad-core goodness, a 64-bit OS and 4GB+ of RAM sometime when I can afford it. Just having the Premiere Elements encoding go another 70%-90% faster would be sweet.

With a near 2GB (1.84GB) page file usage, it looks like you need more RAM.

 

[starwars7]

Is there an Actual release date for the AM2 yet?

Last I heard was June 6th.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Looney
I'm personally going to skip AM2 and jump on Conroe.

That is also a consideration, but 1) Intel's prices would simply have to be more competitive, as AMD has always offered the better value since I've been building computers, and 2) since I already have a nice socket 939 board and a gig of really good DDR memory, I think if I just got an X2 processor and doubled my RAM I'd be good for another year to 18 months, wouldn't you think?

Good luck installing more than 4GB on a socket 939 system.

1. Soon DDR1 prices will be much higher than DDR2
2. The majority of socket 939 boards do not support more than 4GB
3. Memory Denisties will increase drasticly for DD2
4. DDR1 DIMM's most likely won't get much larger than 2GB on average, I know some rare 4GB dimms exist, but they are rare and setting them up in dual channel on 939 boards is pointless.
5. If you eventualy want more then 4GB+ get socket M2 and your memory budget will thank you later.

ABIT is the only manufacturer of Socket 939 to Support 8GB of RAM on most of their motheboards. Thank you ABIT.

Uhh, wtf? I currently have a gig and said I wanted to double it.

Apparantly reading is not one of your best attributes.

I don't see what I misread. All you're talking about is going above 4 GB and I obviously would never be going beyond 2 with this board.

If you upgrade to Vista, it will not be long before you may desire to have more than 4GB to take advantage of 64-bit capabilities. DDR1 RAM densities will not grow that much more in compairison to DDR2. DDR2 will only get cheaper while like PC133, DDR1 will skyrocket in price.

512MB of PC133 costs more than 1GB of DDR1 in todays market. Just 3.5 years ago, I purcheased 512MB of CAS2 PC133 for about $68 @crucial.com and today it sells for $95-126.

Yes, you're right, but we're talking about the most logical upgrade path THIS summer, considering my current system. Even if I get Vista this fall/winter (I might not), I'm sure 2 GB would still be fine through all of 2007.

I tend to look a little more than six months in the long term of owning a PC. When Planning to buy, I look for the parts that will give the longest possible life for a given dollar amount. If you buy a new computer every summer, then I suppose that the motherboards ram limit is not much an issue.

Well I did say all of 2007. If I do an upgrade this summer that is 18 months, like I said in a previous post, and many people even said they would expect it to last longer than that. So it seems like a logical move to me.

By then 2 GB dimms will be a dime a dozen and that means you will have 6GB of ram but your motherboard will not be able to access all of it. . Socket M2 is just a few months away, I suggest it will be worth the wait for it or conroe.

Again you confuse me. Who said I would buy three 2 GB sticks and then be like "Oh, sh!t, my motherboard can't support this!" All I said was I'd upgrade to 2 GB this summer and that would last me until 2008. I don't get your tangent, man.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: archcommus
Again you confuse me. Who said I would buy three 2 GB sticks and then be like "Oh, sh!t, my motherboard can't support this!" All I said was I'd upgrade to 2 GB this summer and that would last me until 2008. I don't get your tangent, man.

just walk away man

 

[Sunbird]

Originally posted by: rise4310

Originally posted by: archcommus
Again you confuse me. Who said I would buy three 2 GB sticks and then be like "Oh, sh!t, my motherboard can't support this!" All I said was I'd upgrade to 2 GB this summer and that would last me until 2008. I don't get your tangent, man.

just walk away man

Yeah, walk away, I like Googer but he has completely lost the plot in his replies to your situation.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: Sunbird

Originally posted by: rise4310

Originally posted by: archcommus
Again you confuse me. Who said I would buy three 2 GB sticks and then be like "Oh, sh!t, my motherboard can't support this!" All I said was I'd upgrade to 2 GB this summer and that would last me until 2008. I don't get your tangent, man.

just walk away man

Yeah, walk away, I like Googer but he has completely lost the plot in his replies to your situation.

LOL