Worth moving from 754 to 939?

[SRSU]

I didn't wait long enough and ended up buying a socket 754 athlon 64 CPU and mobo.

My mobo has an AGP slot right now, and I'm thinking about getting a newer PCI-e video card.

My question is - instead of getting a socket 754 mobo with PCI-e would I be better off selling the 754 CPU & Mobo, and moving to socket 939 at the same time?

Particularly I'm concerned about 754 prices. I'm wondering if in a few months from now my 754 will be worth far less than it is now...

 

[Fallengod]

The thing is, 754 will probably be worth less, and even more so for it being agp. Most people are moving away from agp so..... An older 754 with agp is probably going to be worth less and less as time goes on, but then again, that is usually how the story goes right? 754 is still fine imo but... A 754 amd 3400 is 2.4ghz, thats a pretty damn fast stock cpu. I wish there was a 939 stock cpu like that for the price. There are 754 pcie mobos but, personaly if youre gonna go to a new vid card, id switch to 939 anyways. Of course that requires a new cpu, mobo and video card upgrade. May not be worth the cash to upgrade.

One thing to keep in mind is, amd prices are going to continue to fall as well, as are the newest pcie video cards. I dont know if now would be the best time to buy, unless you just want to get rid of your 754 as fast as possible. Its hard to say.

 

[Munky]

I'd switch to s939. With a decent Oc'ing mobo and venice 3000, you could hit 2.5 ghz and more on decent air cooling, and it wont cost that much. If you're gonna get a new mobo for pci-e, might as well get a better socket, and you'll have the option of getting an x2 if you choose to do so.

 

[kleinwl]

Most of the articles I've seen have said that the upgrade from 754 to 939 is worth 5% - 10% at most (due to dual channel). For that kind of upgrade it's not worth the money (IMO) with the M2 socket comming along next year. Unless you want X2 cores... then just wait.

Ideal situation, if you do upgrade to 939, get a venice 3000+ and oc it to 2.3MHZ-2.7MHz. Or... if you have more money that I do the X2 3800 is nice..

But seriously, the M2 is coming out next year and will require DDR2... so just save your money and jump on the newer socket.

btw: their is no performance increase from AGP to PCIe... so unless your looking at the 7800 GT(x) or the new X1800 cards... then stay AGP... upgrade everything at the same time next year.

 

[charloscarlies]

Originally posted by: kleinwl
Most of the articles I've seen have said that the upgrade from 754 to 939 is worth 5% - 10% at most (due to dual channel). For that kind of upgrade it's not worth the money (IMO) with the M2 socket comming along next year. Unless you want X2 cores... then just wait.

Ideal situation, if you do upgrade to 939, get a venice 3000+ and oc it to 2.3MHZ-2.7MHz. Or... if you have more money that I do the X2 3800 is nice..

But seriously, the M2 is coming out next year and will require DDR2... so just save your money and jump on the newer socket.

btw: their is no performance increase from AGP to PCIe... so unless your looking at the 7800 GT(x) or the new X1800 cards... then stay AGP... upgrade everything at the same time next year.

Agreed for the most part.

The 754 3400+ is still very competitive with a lot of 939 chips. It really isn't worth the upgrade unless you want to go dual-core. I'm somewhat in the same boat...and I plan on waiting atleast until December.

 

[SonicIce]

yeah 3400+ 754 is a beast

 

[EightySix Four]

agreed, some people seem to get the old clawhammer ones up to some insane clocks too... dunno why considering they were considered by most crappy oc'rs. I have seen a few at 2.7 on air... Luck of the draw I guess.

 

[Fallengod]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
yeah 3400+ 754 is a beast

Yeah why dont they make one of those for 939 for that price.

 

[forumposter32]

Originally posted by: modempower

Originally posted by: SonicIce
yeah 3400+ 754 is a beast

Yeah why dont they make one of those for 939 for that price.

I wonder if they don't because of the possible confusion. I think they did make a 3700+ socket 939 but they stopped and decided to keep the 3800+ etc instead. I've seen the socket 754 3400+ 2.4 GHz in some benchmarks ahead of the FX-51 and the 3500+.

Whatever. It's a strange world. It's kind of fun though trying to find the "diamond in the rough".

 

[Hacp]

Ya def stick with 754 right now

 

[Xonoahbin]

Go with a 754 and 939 board.. there's one on newegg about $100 with Pci-e x16
That way you can get a cheaper processor that works just as well and be futureproofed

 

[spiritwalker2223]

What cpu do you have, if it's decent I'd just get an AGP video card. You might think it's wasted money but so is replacing your 754 board and cpu with 939 if your getting equivalent performance.

EDIT, I picked up a 939 3400+ for $140 Canadian. It's a newcastle but for that price...

 

[Aznguy1872]

I recently moved from 754 to 939 and I am very pleased with the results. 754 is old technology and 939 is whats new now. 939 u will have dual channel memory which basuically doubles your bandwidth on sandra. you can buy a cheap amd 64 3000 venice and oc it pretty well. In general its a good switch,

 

[Tarrant64]

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Hasn't it been established that dual channel does next to nothing for performance gains(due to the on die memory controller or something???)? Anyone?

The performance increase from 754 to 939 isn't all that great, and I'm on 754 and with it OC'ed I have no problem keeping up with 939. Single Channel memory too. Wait for M2 I guess...or just save up for a top of the line X2. Moving from 754 to a 3000+ Venice is definetely not worth it IMHO.

Same goes with PCIe and AGP, no performance gain.

 

[spiritwalker2223]

Dual channel might give a 5% increase max. If you have a 754 3700+ I'd stay with that but if you have a low sempron then go 939.

 

[Aenslead]

No... the dual channel is about 2-3% increase of performance; the other 1-7% is due to core enhancements, such as memory controller optimizations, and the like.

 

[ender11122]

If you are looking for an upgrade path, wait for M2 because 939 is going to phase off. If you are simply looking for performance, the 939 has more options but on the value sector its not worth the increase in price.

 

[Shenkoa]

Originally posted by: munky
I'd switch to s939. With a decent Oc'ing mobo and venice 3000, you could hit 2.5 ghz and more on decent air cooling, and it wont cost that much. If you're gonna get a new mobo for pci-e, might as well get a better socket, and you'll have the option of getting an x2 if you choose to do so.

I love my Venice overclock, its the best damn idea for any one looking for a new setup imo.

754 fades off for 939
939 fades off for M2

You cant win, I am sick and tired of spending money all the time.

 

[Tostada]

This thread doesn't make much sense. Obviously upgrading sockets just for the sake of upgrading sockets would be pointless. If you don't have a real reason to upgrade to 939 then don't bother.

If for some reason you need a PCI-E video card, that might be a good excuse to upgrade the rest of the system. If you're being held back by your CPU, that would be a good excuse to upgrade to 939.

If you want a new video card you can get a Radeon X850 or a GF6800 Ultra that is AGP. There's no legitimate benefit to PCI-E if you're not getting SLI. If you want a GF7800 or an SLI setup you'll have to go with PCI-E, but at that point you would probably want to upgrade to a 939 CPU anyway.

Choosing a socket isn't all that relevant. You decide what you need then you go with the socket that fits your needs.

 

[forumposter32]

Actually, maybe Vista won't take AGP easilly anyway. Some dude here posted the optimum specs for Vista. It was insane...like 2 GB RAM, PCI-E (because supposedly Vista will use a huge amount of bandwidth) dual core etc.

 

[MBrown]

Well since your this far along just wait for M2 which should be coming out soon. Its coming out soon right?

 

[Heckler 5th]

754 and a 3400+ will run any "normal" application just fine between now and M2. why ditch something that does its job fine?
this question comes up every time a new platform is on the horizon. in this industry you'll spend a lot less money and waste a lot less time if you stick with what you have until it can no longer run the apps you need at an acceptable rate. vanity upgrade-itis is contagious, my friend.

 

[Powermoloch]

Why upgrade when a machine can handle today's games fairly well

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: forumposter32
Actually, maybe Vista won't take AGP easilly anyway. Some dude here posted the optimum specs for Vista. It was insane...like 2 GB RAM, PCI-E (because supposedly Vista will use a huge amount of bandwidth) dual core etc.

Just because some dude posted it doesn't make it true. There have been plenty people saying Vista will need 1 GB+ and preferably a dual-core CPU, but that's obviously a lie. Anybody saying Vista doesn't like AGP is lying, and I'm sure a few hundred people in the OS forum could confirm that.

There have been reports that Vista works just fine with GMA900 integrated graphics, actually. The argument has been made that Vista is not done and so the final version could have much higher requirements, especially graphically. While that could easily be true to some degree, it's pretty ridiculous to think that requirements would be considerably more than they are currently.

People tried to say the requirements for XP would be ridiculous before it came out, but that wasn't true at all. XP might like a decent amount of memory, but it runs just fine on a P2-300 laptop I have.

 

[Tarrant64]

Vista = XP with style IMHO. If it required much more than WinXP to run no one would buy it. Most people don't like to buy a new PC just for a new OS.
Not liking AGP? Most people that aren't computer savy(hope i used that correctly) are still using AGP. A lot of companies still have AGP. It's not like it's gone the way of the dodo or anything like that.

Plus, wasn't there talk that nothing even utilizes PCI-e yet?(hence, the no performance difference between AGP and PCI-e)...can someone verify that?