Worth it to get GTX 460?

[toyota]

btw its 384sp not 380. there would not even be a way to have 380sp on any Nvidia gpu.

 

[happy medium]

The GTX 460 has a base clock of a puny 675 MHz (with tons of room to grow). The GTX 560 has a base clock of a beefy 820 MHz, or 21.5% faster!

Regarding shader power, the GF 104 just has 1 more shader unit, pushing the shader count from 336 to 380, an increase of 13% in shader power.

WOW, with those calculations ,the stock gtx560 should be about 34% faster then a stock gtx460. So a gtx460 @ 910 core should about equal a gtx560.

Thats puts the gtx560 at 5870/6950 territory at stock clocks going by this review.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/18

On newegg the 6950 goes for about $280AR, and the 6870 goes for about $210AR. So with performance at a few% below the 6950, the gtx560 should be priced at about 260$?

I think is fair to say th gtx560 will be worth about $260, given todays card prices.
The gtx460 and 5870 are priced so low because they are being ELO'ed.

 

[calvin0416]

Any good deal on a GTX460 1GB or 768?

 

[SickBeast]

Any good deal on a GTX460 1GB or 768?

You might have missed out on them by now. I got my MSI Cyclone 768mb for $120AR from newegg. There was also a Galaxy card for $90AR at tigerdirect, and I think a Palit or Zotac 1gb card for $135AR.

Check the hot deals forum.

 

[jiffylube1024]

WOW, with those calculations ,the stock gtx560 should be about 34% faster then a stock gtx460. So a gtx460 @ 910 core should about equal a gtx560.

34% increase is the max theoretical improvement assuming no bottlenecks whatsoever [and that doesn't even take into account a possible small bump in memory bandwidth]. I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect a 34% improvement across the board, but certainly 20-25%+ is sensible.

Thats puts the gtx560 at 5870/6950 territory at stock clocks going by this review.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/18

On newegg the 6950 goes for about $280AR, and the 6870 goes for about $210AR. So with performance at a few% below the 6950, the gtx560 should be priced at about 260$?

I think is fair to say th gtx560 will be worth about $260, given todays card prices.
The gtx460 and 5870 are priced so low because they are being ELO'ed.

Remember Anand had the GTX 460 FTW version in his review, and the overclock boosted the GTX 460 into 5850/5870 territory...

Honestly, I'd go for a GTX 460 1GB or one of those crazy 768MB GTX 460's at Fry's for $90 if you can still find them. The GTX 560 may be worth $250+ to some people, but honestly I find the GTX 460 + an overclock to 800MHz to be a much better value, and they're available right now!!!

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We'll see what inputs the GTX 560 comes with; I'm disappointed that my GTX 460 only has 2x DVI and a mini HDMI; I find it awesome that all ATI cards now have at least 1 display port (mini or regular) and the new ones 2x DVI, 1x HDMI and 2x mini-DP. IMO that's worth a bit of a price difference.

 

[Castiel]

Found this on XS

GTX560 - Unknown system specs

Unigine Heaven 2.1
1920x1200 8xAA/16XAF Tessellation extreme
23fps
579

3DMark Vantage
p21187
x9525

3DMark 11
P4130
X1403

 

[Vdubchaos]

Any good deal on a GTX460 1GB or 768?

I just picked up 460 MSI Hawk for $159 after mail in rebate. It's OCed by default to 720mhz (or 780) I don't remember.

Look out for deals on Slickdeals.net/Techbargains.com and newegg

Personally even if 560 is faster, price will be the big difference.

Just get the 460....there will always be something faster/newer/better....

 

[combust3r]

@castiel

It's a fake, it's GTX 460, not 560.

 

[Castiel]

@castiel

It's a fake, it's GTX 460, not 560.

How can you tell? They're identical

 

[s44]

The Palit deal is done. Newegg has the Asus DirectCU for $150AR, but I'd really prefer the stock cooler for noise.

 

[combust3r]

How can you tell? They're identical

And you know they are identical, how ? Ever saw one of 560's PCB ?

BTW, on the same place you found that pics there are pics of GTX 460 with the same PCB. So it's a fake.

Oh and I doubt that a GPU with 180W TDP (as speculated) and such high default clocks will have a 3+1 phase design.

 

[happy medium]

If you want to know how fast a gtx560 is gonna be just look at some 5870 reviews.
Mabe 2% faster or slower either way. It will be cheaper then the 6950 but more then a 6870.

 

[calvin0416]

I know different people prefer different brand but I'd like you guy's opinions anyways.

What's the different between different partners, EVGA, MSI, Palit, ZOTAC, ASUS, Gigabyte, Sparkle, Galaxy.

My understanding is that different company tweaked their cards with different speed, use different cooling system and memory, and that Galaxy cards are some of the cheapest

 

[combust3r]

Well you always have referent models that are exactly the same regardless of manufacturer, the sticker is only different, ie 6870 from Gigabyte/PowerColor etc.

In case of non-referent models, the difference may be with the cooling solution / power section (number of phases) / cooling on vrm's or not / custom PCB's (Gigabyte's 2oz copper PCB etc) solid caps, ferrite chokes etc...

What is important is that the bloddy thing will fit in your case and get cooled adequately and that your PSU can handle it. All other goodies are important if you are gonna o/c. Oh, and price and warranty

Regarding GTX 560, I think it will be only a rebadged 460 with all CUDA cores enabled and that's it. It will matter the most for folders (in comparison to GTX 460) and I think it will perform similary to GTX 470 (5%-10% better maybe). But GTX 560 will be far more efficient power-wise (and quieter I suspect) so that will be a selling feature.

I'm planning on buying one of the 460's cause I can't wait anymore (jumping from GM965/X3100) and I don't think that GTX 560 will be worth the price difference.

 

[SickBeast]

I'm quite happy with my MSI card. ASUS is viewed by most people as the best. Gigabyte is excellent as well. EVGA has been around for a bit. The others are relatively new or obscure so YMMV.

 

[happy medium]

Galaxy has been around for 15 years also.

 

[Skurge]

OP, why are you going from quadfire 4870s? which was a bad choice to begin with to SLI 460s? Thats a sidegrade at best.

Why not get 2 570s/6950s/6970s? They wold give you a nice boost in performance.

Also, I don't see the 560 competing with a 6950 with that amount of memory bandwidth.

 

[toyota]

OP, why are you going from quadfire 4870s? which was a bad choice to begin with to SLI 460s? Thats a sidegrade at best.

Why not get 2 570s/6950s/6970s? They wold give you a nice boost in performance.

Also, I don't see the 560 competing with a 6950 with that amount of memory bandwidth.

maybe because dealing with 4 gpus in crossfire is not the best experience.

 

[badb0y]

The 5870 at 200$ makes both the GTX 460s and the HD 68xx series look like crap. If it is available at 200$ I would surely buy the 5870, other than that the GTX 460 is a NICE card especially if you can get it around <180$

 

[Skurge]

maybe because dealing with 4 gpus in crossfire is not the best experience.

Thats why I said it was a bad choice. 2 GPUs are bad enough. 4 is just asking for trouble.

 

[Castiel]

OP, why are you going from quadfire 4870s? which was a bad choice to begin with to SLI 460s? Thats a sidegrade at best.

Why not get 2 570s/6950s/6970s? They wold give you a nice boost in performance.

Also, I don't see the 560 competing with a 6950 with that amount of memory bandwidth.

Want the move to DX11,
460's in SLI > 580 for 350 bucks is why i did it.
Nvidia drivers > Amd drivers

 

[happy medium]

2 gtx460's in sli vs 4870x2 in x-fire?

Less heat, less noise, less power draw, less quadfire headaches.
I bet if you overclock the 460's you get better performance also.

Sell the 4870x2's for about $280 and its a 70$ upgrade.

I think he did good.

 

[Castiel]

2 gtx460's in sli vs 4870x2 in x-fire?

Less heat, less noise, less power draw, less quadfire headaches.
I bet if you overclock the 460's you get better performance also.

Sell the 4870x2's for about $280 and its a 70$ upgrade.

I think he did good.

X2's are beasts but amd drivers leave a lot on the table in BC2. Shuddering, flickering, 2nd card dropping off... Yeah it's good riddance.

 

[iGas]

GTX 460 is a good deal if you are into OCing, but IMHO AMD 5xxx or 6xxx series are slightly better if you stick with manufacture speed.

IMHO, it is going to be hard to get the GTX460 to 1GHz specially the 1GB version. I'm lucky enough to have an MSI Hawk Talon Attack that break the 1GHz barrier, but I have to dial it down to 900~950Mhz to get acceptable fan speed (still noisy as hell at 950Mhz).

 

[Castiel]

GTX 460 is a good deal if you are into OCing, but IMHO AMD 5xxx or 6xxx series are slightly better if you stick with manufacture speed.

IMHO, it is going to be hard to get the GTX460 to 1GHz specially the 1GB version. I'm lucky enough to have an MSI Hawk Talon Attack that break the 1GHz barrier, but I have to dial it down to 900~950Mhz to get acceptable fan speed (still noisy as hell at 950Mhz).

Card comes with the Arctic cooling solution that cool's and is oh so quiet. Can't wait to pump 1.2v through her and go for 1Ghz