Worst techincal support stories

Mark R

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I reckon that my recent experience with my DSL supplier must be pretty bad.

So, I upgrade my service from 2 Mbps to 8 Mbps. In due course (not a smooth one, because they 'forgot' to upgrade the line, despite sending me confirmation letters and billing me for it) the line is upgraded and my modem syncs at 8 Mbps.

However, throughput is only 2 Mbps. No matter what I download, it's always 2 Mbps - pretty much exactly. If I use a download monior, the graph is ruler flat.

So I call - 'My router is syncing at 8 Mbps, but my download rate is only 2 Mbps'.
'OK. Please can you check that your router is plugged in and switched on'
'It is.'
'What type of router is it?'
'It's a safecom ADSL 2+ router. It's connected via 100 Mbps wired ethernet'.
'OK. Can you check if the green lights are on'
'Err. Yes'.
'What type of router is it?'
'It's a safecom ADSL 2+ router model SWART2-54125'
'OK'
'Is that a wireless router'
'Err. No'
'Is it connected via USB'
'Err. No'
'So is it connected via ethernet?
'Yes'

'I need to run a line test'
'That's fine. But I called yesterday about thte same problem and the line test was fine.'
'OK'
<Line goes dead for a bit>
'Your line test shows that the line is fine. I don't think there is a problem that we can help you with'
'I know the line is fine. My router is synced at maximum speed with 20 dB of SNR margin. The problem is throughput.'
'So you are getting fluctuating speed?'
'No. I am getting a constant slow speed. The same speed as before the upgrade.'
'OK can you go to our speed test web site - gives URL'
'OK. But I just ran a speed test on that site before I called. The result was 1900 kbps. I won't be able to run another one so soon, because I can only run one every 30 minutes'.
'OK. Please go to the site. The URL is <URL>'
'There's no point. My speed is 1900 kbps'
'Then enter your 'phone number in the box and click OK'
'It won't work'
'Please enter your phone number and run the test'
'OK.'
<I do that and get an error message - sorry, you cannot run a second test within 30 minutes>
'I've just got an error. It says I can't test again so soon'
'Oh. Right. What speed did you get last time?'
'Err. 1900 kbps'

'OK. I'll need you to check some settings on your PC. Can you load up internet explorer, blah. blah'
'I don't use internet explorer, so this is irrelevant. The problem still happens if I use boot to linux - so it isn't a configuration problem. It happens on 2 seperate computers. I have also tested my PC and router on my brother's broadband line - it's fine. Please can we skip this bit?'
'But we still need to check the internet explorer settings'
'If we must'
<Spends 5 minutes talking me through deleting cookies and temporary files>
'OK. Has htis helped?'
'No'.


'Well, it looks like 2 Mbps is the fastest speed your line can support. What speed where you told you'd get when you signed up?'.
'6.5 Mbps'
'I need you to look this up on our website'
'I just have. It's 6.5'
'The URL is <URL>'
<Goes to URL - it says 6.5>
'6.5'
'I need you to read me exactly what it says on the screen'
'Line 01234567890 is connected to exchange ABCDEFGH. We expect your line speed to be 6.5 Mbps'

'Look. I don't think we're getting anywhere. The problem appears to be a bandwidth cap on my line of 2 Mbps.'
'Aha. We haven't got a cap on this service'.
'Is it possible to check the configuration on the BRAS server for my line? - Could the bandwidth profile be incorrectly set to 2 Mbps?'
'I'm not sure I can do that. If you want a server, you need to speak to the sales department.'
'Aaargh'.


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This is the same thing, every time I call. Same questions, same answers. No record of my previous calls on their 'files'.

If I call a supervisor - it's the same thing, excpet they offer to escalate it. They never do. I called again, after I'd had no response to my last 3 escalations. No record, of any fault ever being escalated on my line.

I give up.

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Cliffs

1) Slow ADSL
2) Bad tech support




 

I Saw OJ

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Thats pretty much because people on the other end are drones reading from a script with no real problem solving skills.

Its pretty frustrating being in IT and having to call a vendor to get a part replaced under warrenty and have them try to trouble shoot the problem. After a while you just gotta tell them, 'look I am in IT and I already did this, I know what I'm doing so can we just skip this little run around and just send me a new HDD, MOBO, or whater'
 

Mark R

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Well, get this.

I wrote a formal letter of complaint about this treatment from tech support - where I explained that after 4 weeks of arguing with tech support, I still wasn't getting the advertised (or expected) speed and downloads were persistantly capped at 2 Mbit.

Anyway, here's an excerpt:
I have had to make several calls to the technical support desk, and am gravely concerned by what appears to be a serious lack of staff training and failure of communication between support staff.

Staff training
I have made multiple calls to the India call centre, and almost without exception, I have found their knowledge of the <censored> broadband product to be poor.
a) Staff have told me that they can?t help with speed issues during the first 10 days.
b) Staff continue to ask questions that are irrelevant, e.g. I have repeatedly been asked to check ?internet explorer? settings, despite explaining that a) I do not use internet explorer either directly, or indirectly and b) that the last support agent I spoke to went through the same reset steps with me.
c) Staff do not seem to appreciate the difference between ?line speed? and ?download speed? ? despite this being explained in the 1st entry in the FAQ on the <censored> broadband support web page.

Communication
a) Several promised call-backs never came.
b) I have been told twice that my fault has been passed to senior support. Subsequently, I have been told that my fault was never escalated.
c) I have had to answer the same questions every time I call about the same problem, even when they did not help the previous times. I have timed the question script at approximately 15 minutes, and being expected to go through the same steps on every call is very frustrating. Is there really no way to keep a record of what has, or hasn?t been found?

Anyway, the result of my formal complaint:
My letter was passed, verbatim, to first-line technical support.

Their reply:
your broadband connection has to undergo the duration of 10 days which is called the optimisation period. Where your speed may vary during this period and you may have frequent disconnection. Hence I would request you to turn on the router and browse for the maximum duration during this period. After the optimisation period, you will able to get the standard speed.
 

drinkmorejava

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damn that sucks, i've been going through a bunch of ****** lately with timewarner to get them to send someone to fix our internet connection. The modem drops out several times a day and takes between a restart and several hours to come back. I love how they're always telling me to restart my computer and it's like WTF, my computer is connected just fine, your damn modem is the thing with the cable light that is off. A few years ago, if you so much as mentioned you had a router they'd be like, fsck you, you need to buy our in home networking package if you want to use it on more than one computer.
 
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You probably called someone who was out-sourcing. The poor techies had no idea what was going on, and they were just reading a manual. ;)
 

Iron Woode

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I went through the same basic thing that Mark R did.

When I was living in my old apt, my cablemodem service went from 3Mbps to 128Kbps. I was like :confused: and called tech support.

My call went something like yours:

Are the lights on, on the modem? Yes.

Can you connect to the internet? Yes.

Do you have packet loss while pinging ***.***.***.***? No.

Then your service is working fine. Have a nice day. <hangs up>

I am WTF?

I called back and got another tech and went through the same thing. I explained to him that the modem works fine but my service speed is not what I am paying for. He then tells me that speeds vary depending on the server I am connected to. I said to him that I already know that and that is not the problem. At this time we did not have an authorized speed test site, so any test result on any speed test site meant nothing. So after getting very frustrated I escalated the issue to Level 2 tech support. Within 5 mins he found the problem and fixed it. My moden serial number became unbound from the service and therefore defaulted to the slowest speed possible on their network.

I would escalate the issue with your next call. Try a higher level tech or the network tech guys.
 

Daishiki

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Cases like this, just tell them to transfer you to a different tier. I did that with roadrunner and they brought me to a guy who didn't need a script and could do something about my problem.
 

DaiShan

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Yeah ISP tech support seems to derive great pleasure in giving you the run around. I've got 9mbit cable and for 7 months I was only getting 1mbit max, all of the speed tests confirmed it, I'd call in the tech would determine that they needed someone on site, so an on-site tech would come out test the line and get the same results and say something like "Is 1 mbit good?" Well I mean good is relative, but when I pay for 9mbit it isn't good, so finally I get them to admit that there has been a known hardware issue to the area for the past 7 months that they haven't gotten around to fixing. After they fixed it it took another 3 months of calling almost every day to get a refund for the lost service, they kept telling me that they couldn't credit more than 1 month to my account. Unfortunately I ended up having to explain to their CSR manager that I run an IT consulting firm that covers businesses located in virtually their entire market in this area and was able to get a refund.
 

Mark R

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Update. I'm now getting the full 8M - well, download rate is about 7 Mbps.

I fixed it by exploiting a 'feature' of the logic used to determine your 'stable' line speed at the BRAS (QoS server). Essentially, the ISP needs to cap your incoming bandwidth so that the buffers on the DSLAM don't overrun and cause packet loss.

Essentially, by massively degrading the line (daisy chaining 2 DSL microfilters - phone socket, not broadband socket) and simulating a high rate of line drops (repeatedly plugging/unplugging the router), this automatically triggered the ISP's system to back-off to low speed for 72 hours, before retesting the line for maximum stable speed.
 

ForumMaster

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Originally posted by: Mark R
Update. I'm now getting the full 8M - well, download rate is about 7 Mbps.

I fixed it by exploiting a 'feature' of the logic used to determine your 'stable' line speed at the BRAS (QoS server). Essentially, the ISP needs to cap your incoming bandwidth so that the buffers on the DSLAM don't overrun and cause packet loss.

Essentially, by massively degrading the line (daisy chaining 2 DSL microfilters - phone socket, not broadband socket) and simulating a high rate of line drops (repeatedly plugging/unplugging the router), this automatically triggered the ISP's system to back-off to low speed for 72 hours, before retesting the line for maximum stable speed.

good for you man. you beat them. i used to have serious problems with my cable connection. the cable light would go out and i'd lose service until i reset it through my router. they replaced my modem 3 times. i got annoyed and switched to 1.5Mbit DSL that was faster, cheaper and better. i can now finally leave a bit-torrent dl without worrying that it will stop. we sometimes get a faster speed then advertised. :) i don't have a problem with that.
 

2Dead

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i was going to ask if you're sure they even upgraded you.. i knew someone who worked in the complaints department for Verizon and she said they would get angry calls all the time because they never actually bothered to upgrade people to the speeds they were paying for. They kept billing, but just never upgraded them. Doesn't look like that's the case here though.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Mark R
Update. I'm now getting the full 8M - well, download rate is about 7 Mbps.

I fixed it by exploiting a 'feature' of the logic used to determine your 'stable' line speed at the BRAS (QoS server). Essentially, the ISP needs to cap your incoming bandwidth so that the buffers on the DSLAM don't overrun and cause packet loss.

Essentially, by massively degrading the line (daisy chaining 2 DSL microfilters - phone socket, not broadband socket) and simulating a high rate of line drops (repeatedly plugging/unplugging the router), this automatically triggered the ISP's system to back-off to low speed for 72 hours, before retesting the line for maximum stable speed.

:thumbsup: nice!
 

Mark R

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Originally posted by: TrandM
i was going to ask if you're sure they even upgraded you though.

They didn't upgrade me initially - modem just synced at 2M.

I had to call tech support 3 times before they admitted that the line wasn't upgraded - at least it was fixed promptly (on the 3rd call got through to in-house support - outsourced support just denied there was a problem).

I could tell it was upgraded because the modem started syncing at 8M.

Anyway, the 'capped at 2M' is a known bug with my ISPs DSL product. My ISP both wholesale and retail the DSL product.

If I had gone to a reseller - tech support would have been familiar with this bug and escalated it to the wholesaler for immediate action (according to one source, the wholesaler actually sent a memo out, acknowledging the bug)

However, going to the retail division of the same ISP, with outsourced tech support - they had no knowledge of this 'BRAS profile' issue, and were unable to help - and refused (or were unable) to escalate it.

Fortunately, I was able to scavenge enough info about how the BRAS server autoconfigured the line, to work out how to exploit it.
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
Thats pretty much because people on the other end are drones reading from a script with no real problem solving skills.

Its pretty frustrating being in IT and having to call a vendor to get a part replaced under warrenty and have them try to trouble shoot the problem. After a while you just gotta tell them, 'look I am in IT and I already did this, I know what I'm doing so can we just skip this little run around and just send me a new HDD, MOBO, or whater'

What are these companies supposed to do though?

If they have people on the other line who can troubleshoot these problems as the first line, then their support costs go through the roof. In this case, they would lose sales because people don't compare support plans (especially something as intangible as quality of staff) when they buy. Just cost.

In addition, they have to tailor it to the lowest common denominator. Very few people here are.