World's biggest particle-smasher - Large Hadron Collider

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bsobel

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just playing a little Devils Advocate here, but as an engineer I don't always have the best of respect for "purse science". Sure everyone would love to have more things like this, but the question is how does finding a Higgs boson help ME...

Imagine your living conditions if there had been no scientific progress in the last 100 years. Then imagine the last 1000 years. The line from what does this directly get 'me' tomorrow is murky because we don't know until we can look back with hindsightand tell you. However increasing our knowledge is always a good thing, we as a species (if we dont kill ourselves) will make more progress in the next few decades than we've made so far over the last thousand years. The rate of change in physics, computer, and biology is stunning if you simply look at the last 25 years and peice together the roadmap that builds for us.

 

silverpig

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The only way LHC will produce a black hole is if there are a lot of extra dimensions a la string theory. If all there that exists is what we see now, then there's no chance at all that a black hole will be produced.
 
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Originally posted by: silverpig
The only way LHC will produce a black hole is if there are a lot of extra dimensions a la string theory. If all there that exists is what we see now, then there's no chance at all that a black hole will be produced.
Interesting. Can you expound on that or steer me towards some more information about it?
 

Born2bwire

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The detectors are really awesome to see in person. I got to see the D0 detector among others back when they were upgrading it at Fermi Lab.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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We have no evidence that an intelligent civilization exists outside our own. I've sometimes speculated that maybe they are self extinguishing. "Hey, look at this black hole I just made!--POOF!!"

:p
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
We have no evidence that an intelligent civilization exists outside our own. I've sometimes speculated that maybe they are self extinguishing. "Hey, look at this black hole I just made!--POOF!!"

:p
Those gamma radiation bursts we occasionally see are just the EM puffs that were once planets; each one was where a brilliant scientist's last words were, "What could possibly go wrong?":laugh:

A tiny black hole would be smaller than an atom nucleus, and would be no more massive than the particles which created it - they're talking about smashing together two protons to make a black hole. Calculate the gravitational attraction of two protons, and that'll be the attraction of the black hole. I wonder if its event horizon would cover a diameter that could encompass even a single wavelength of gamma radiation.

Most probable events to destroy a civilization, in my opinion, and not in order of probability:
- large-scale nuclear war, or perhaps similar war with antimatter-based weapons
- severe environmental changes, such as massive outgassings from the mantle of a planet, or intense mass coronal ejections
- asteroid impact

- And maybe, just maybe, the galaxy acts like our local ecosystem does, with life forms or "forces" of some sort which prey on other galactic components. We have lions hunting gazelles, or cows eating grass - one life form preys on another. The galaxy may have similar powers at work, with each planetary system acting as a tiny component of a much larger system. Hell, galaxies "consume" one another sometimes, colliding and causing gravitational chaos for the associated star systems and structures. Maybe something like the ID4 aliens, only about 500x more advanced, something which preys on entire planets. The thin film of life is just like the candy coating on an M&M - it just makes the snack all the sweeter.
 

freegeeks

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there was an episode of extreme engineering on discovery channel about this

it's a gigantic project
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
there was an episode of extreme engineering on discovery channel about this

it's a gigantic project
Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to keep an eye out for it. Hopefully it doesn't suck too much - Discovery is really trying for ratings now. Their "Extreme" engineering thing seems to really try for that "extreme" angle - bad, loud, rock-style guitar noise, an "extreme" narrator, and cocaine-inspired video effects.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
there was an episode of extreme engineering on discovery channel about this

it's a gigantic project
Kind of short notice, but this episode is scheduled to be on today at 1pm eastern.


Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: freegeeks
there was an episode of extreme engineering on discovery channel about this

it's a gigantic project
Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to keep an eye out for it. Hopefully it doesn't suck too much - Discovery is really trying for ratings now. Their "Extreme" engineering thing seems to really try for that "extreme" angle - bad, loud, rock-style guitar noise, an "extreme" narrator, and cocaine-inspired video effects.
Blech, looks like I was right. I'm only a few minutes into it, and it's already annoying.
I miss the Discovery Channel from when I was younger - good camera work, a calm narrator, and far better background music. Now it's all "EXTREEEEME!" narration, camera effects that look like a crack-infused mouse with Parkinson's Disease was holding the camera, and music created by a computer with severe antisocial tendencies.
And there's almost nothing remotely technical. One segment is focusing almost entirely on the intellectual theme of "Don't drop the big thing or you'll break it." :disgust: