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kage69

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dmcowen674 said:
More evidence of the impending World War to be started by the U.S.
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Would any of this be happening if China weren't pursuing an expansionist agenda?

I resent the hell out of the giant orange douchebag, but that doesn't mean China gets a pass. The dangers of Chinese nationalism exist regardless if Trump is involved or not.
 
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rudder

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ultimatebob said:
Who are we going to war with?

I'm hoping it's not Russia, since he's going to be weakening NATO by pulling some US funding of it.

Why do you think that Putin likes Trump so much? When he decides to finally invade the Ukraine again, he's going to get much less resistance.
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Because obama gave Putin so much resistance when he annexed Crimea. And much more resistance when evidence presented itself that Russia was aiding seperatists in Ukraine.

obama was the one putting assets in numerous NATO countries that were near or bordering Russia.

If obama and soros never fucked with the ukranian government in the first place... there would not be such conflict in that part of the world.
 
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China had deployed ICBMs to the Russian border, while the GOP introduced a bill to withdraw from the UN and kick them out of NYC. Will update with sources. Get your doomsday clocks ready!

ICBM story

UN withdrawal story
 
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zinfamous

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For everyone's sake, I hope Dave's prediction is as accurate as his gas and milk predictions.
 
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rudder said:
Because obama gave Putin so much resistance when he annexed Crimea. And much more resistance when evidence presented itself that Russia was aiding seperatists in Ukraine.

obama was the one putting assets in numerous NATO countries that were near or bordering Russia.

If obama and soros never fucked with the ukranian government in the first place... there would not be such conflict in that part of the world.
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You are so profoundly ignorant about the geopolitics of those formerly-occupied territories that it is just frankly embarrassing for you. It really is. You should just stop trying.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. If you knew a single god damn thing about the last 12 decades of Russian aggression and expansionist plans in that part of the world, you would probably shoot yourself for having said something as stupid as you just said.

Obama and Soros? seriously? Soros still keeping you up at night? what the ever holy fuck does Obama and Soros have anything to do with Putin and Russia's long-standing desire to reclaim that which they have always (falsely) believed was theirs?
 
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zinfamous said:
You are so profoundly ignorant about the geopolitics of those formerly-occupied territories that it is just frankly embarrassing for you. It really is. You should just stop trying.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. If you knew a single god damn thing about the last 12 decades of Russian aggression and expansionist plans in that part of the world, you would probably shoot yourself for having said something as stupid as you just said.

Obama and Soros? seriously? Soros still keeping you up at night? what the ever holy fuck does Obama and Soros have anything to do with Putin and Russia's long-standing desire to reclaim that which they have always (falsely) believed was theirs?
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But RT told him otherwise so it must be true. Can't trust anything from the liberal western elites.
 
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rudder said:
Because obama gave Putin so much resistance when he annexed Crimea. And much more resistance when evidence presented itself that Russia was aiding seperatists in Ukraine.

obama was the one putting assets in numerous NATO countries that were near or bordering Russia.

If obama and soros never fucked with the ukranian government in the first place... there would not be such conflict in that part of the world.
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Propagandist bullshit.
 
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This whole thread is utter horseshit. If you think China and the USA would engage in conventional war, you need to get your head checked. Clueless fucking ignorant Americans who don't know jack about Chinese culture.

dmcowen674 said:
More evidence of the impending World War to be started by the U.S.

1-23-2017

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-southchinasea-idUSKBN1572M4

Trump White House vows to stop China taking South China Sea islands
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Sean Spicer is a turd nugget in the diaper of man-baby Trump. You can take the words he says and toss them straight into the waste bin. They are completely worthless.
 
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s0me0nesmind1

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MongGrel said:
I'm sure Russia and Turkey would be down for some action somewhere. I'm not even sure what is up with Turkey these days, the nukes we had stored in bunkers there still hanging out ?

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-u-s-to-syria-talks-turkish-minister.2497070/
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To be honest though, China is the only one that is looking to advance as far as claiming more land is concerned.

jana519 said:
This whole thread is utter horseshit. If you think China and the USA would engage in conventional war, you need to get your head checked. Clueless fucking ignorant Americans who don't know jack about Chinese culture.

Sean Spicer is a turd nugget in the diaper of man-baby Trump. You can take the words he says and toss them straight into the waste bin. They are completely worthless.
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Mind stating some facts, reasoning, or logic? Like I said, China is the only one that seems to be concerned with claiming territory that is not currently theirs. Last I checked, both world wars were started by attempting to grab more territory.
 
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Yeah, it's called rhetoric. This is pure rhetoric coming from both sides. China says war, they won't start a war. It's nonsense.

You want an example? Here:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/16/chin...mp-continues-on-taiwan-state-media-warns.html

China will "take off the gloves" and take strong action if U.S. President-electDonald Trump continues to provoke Beijing over Taiwan once he assumes office, two leading state-run newspapers said on Monday.
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They're going to take their gloves off, right? Right. Oh, what's this? They played it down, dismissed it?

https://www.google.com/amp/wap.busi...-to-trump-s-inauguration-117012000900_1.html?

China's Foreign Ministry on Friday dismissed Taiwan's sending of a "self-styled" delegation to US President-elect Donald Trump's inauguration ceremony, saying that the move was aimed at disrupting Beijing-Washington relations.
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They didn't take off their gloves. They didn't do nothing. They backed down and meekly said "China has repeatedly expressed firm opposition to this".

China won't engage in open conventional warfare. There's a number of reasons for that. They will wield soft power. China state government, it's media, it's officials, Chinese businessmen are corrupt, slimy, and two-faced. They won't engage in open conflict because they'll lose face. They will hack your firms, stab you in the back, cheat you, and make doing business outrageously difficult.

Nothing will come of this, just rhetoric from both sides for pure politics.
 
kage69

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IronWing said:
https://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/coldwar/documents/pdf/10-1.pdf
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That document is dated 1950, 5-6 years after Stalin had already shown everyone he couldn't be trusted, that he'd ignore agreements, had no issue with mass executions or stealing bombers, etc.

Stalin didn't need friends, Stalin needed enemies. You can't say that of Truman.

I've always felt there was no one single creator of the Cold War. It came about naturally by virtue of there only really being 2 major powers left standing after the war. Given the differences culturally and politically, it was almost impossible for there not to be Cold War.
 
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kage69 said:
That document is dated 1950, 5-6 years after Stalin had already shown everyone he couldn't be trusted, that he'd ignore agreements, had no issue with mass executions or stealing bombers, etc.

Stalin didn't need friends, Stalin needed enemies. You can't say that of Truman.

I've always felt there was no one single creator of the Cold War. It came about naturally by virtue of there only really being 2 major powers left standing after the war. Given the differences culturally and politically, it was almost impossible for there not to be Cold War.
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No argument about the nature of Stalin. The U.S. economy was contracting (a natural consequence of the end of WWII) and there was cause to believe that the U.S. was headed back into depression. Ramping military spending back up to enact the containment policy provided stimulus to the faltering economy. Economically, Truman did need an enemy.
 
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1-26-2017

Doomsday WWIII clock has been moved as I said it would:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/doomsday-clock-and-donald-trump-170821576.html

The 'Doomsday Clock' hasn't been this close to midnight since 1953

Humanity has edged closer to global annihilation, according to a group of scientists tasked with measuring the level of danger to the continued existence of the human race.

The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, the group behind the Doomsday Clock, announced on Thursday it will move the clock forward 30 seconds to just two-and-a-half minutes to midnight — with midnight representing the end of humanity.

“Never before has the Bulletin decided to advance the clock largely because of the statements of a single person,” the scientists wrote. “But when that person is the new president of the United States, his words matter.”
 
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ultimatebob said:
Really? I heard stories that NATO helped the Ukrainians destroy the inbound Russian convoys behind the scenes.
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I've never heard anything of this. My understanding is that we even refused to provide arms etc to Ukrain. I think we sent blankets (non-military type aid)

Fern
 
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theeedude

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Can Trump regime politically survive starting a war with China over some bullsh!t islands that Americans don't care about and can't locate on the map, with his approval hovering around 40% already?
LBJ started with a far more solid mandate in 1964:
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and then VietNam pretty much chewed him up and shat him out politically to where he bailed out of running in 1968.
 
Thebobo

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ViperXX said:
This is where it could start. Don't blame Trump for this. China is the one fully responsible for bullying their neighbors and starting a conflict. Obama sat back and allowed China to build these islands.
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What exactly should of Obama done? And what did the countries in the region whom this actually affected do. Nothing. Big deal the chinese at great expense built an island from nothing, We have bases all over the world at great expense and 5 new bases $$ in the Philippines one 300 miles from China's new island. Sure they are happy with that.
 
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