World War III, who would win?

[LuckyTaxi]

the illuminati would win

 

[Davegod]

It'd be like a chessboard with only two kings on it.

Originally posted by: Skoorb

I think the UK isn't in the EU, right?

England is now, though there is talking of pulling out I think, but honestly I don't follow it much.

I'm putting that as my quit message on IRC.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
US could defend itself but take over europe ....i think not...

and when the US falls (whenever that is b/c it will happen at some point) i think it will be due to internal reasons......ie stupid decisions by congress/president that would screw the economy or something to that effect.......

and if anyone thinks the US will be here forever is fooling themselves.....Rome was great for many many years but it didn't last forever even with their massive armies

Also although america has always been geographically isolated. We are proof you can kick the 'natives' out.

What would probably be our end will be us in a foreign war and another party staging an invasion during that.

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[waggy]

i dont know why this is still in doubt. the US would win very easy.

We have GI Joe on our side! and they always win!

 

[MaxDepth]

cockroaches.


or maybe the crab people.

 

[NumbersGuy]

To avoid this future scenario: invoke national security, the doctrine of pre-emption, and start nuking all those countries that could conceivably give us grief!
:disgust:

 

[JH68]

Well it would all depend on the US. If the public also had to help fight with the military b/c we are getting invaded then the govnm't needs to take the stupid ban off certain weapons for protection and for saving the country. If not it would be a bunch of people running around with deer rifles, .22's, and shotguns trying to fight a war. So i guess i think the US will need not just military they will need the publics help if getting invaded to win or hold off anyone.

 

Originally posted by: JH68
Well it would all depend on the US. If the public also had to help fight with the military b/c we are getting invaded then the govnm't needs to take the stupid ban off certain weapons for protection and for saving the country. If not it would be a bunch of people running around with deer rifles, .22's, and shotguns trying to fight a war. So i guess i think the US will need not just military they will need the publics help if getting invaded to win or hold off anyone.

You would be surprised how little some of those bans have done. I dont think my AK is considered a "hunting" rifle, nor is my brothers AR.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: JH68
Well it would all depend on the US. If the public also had to help fight with the military b/c we are getting invaded then the govnm't needs to take the stupid ban off certain weapons for protection and for saving the country. If not it would be a bunch of people running around with deer rifles, .22's, and shotguns trying to fight a war. So i guess i think the US will need not just military they will need the publics help if getting invaded to win or hold off anyone.

You would be surprised how little some of those bans have done. I dont think my AK is considered a "hunting" rifle, nor is my brothers AR.

depends on what you are hunting

 

[JH68]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: JH68
Well it would all depend on the US. If the public also had to help fight with the military b/c we are getting invaded then the govnm't needs to take the stupid ban off certain weapons for protection and for saving the country. If not it would be a bunch of people running around with deer rifles, .22's, and shotguns trying to fight a war. So i guess i think the US will need not just military they will need the publics help if getting invaded to win or hold off anyone.

You would be surprised how little some of those bans have done. I dont think my AK is considered a "hunting" rifle, nor is my brothers AR.

but for a country so free and the right to bare arms they control alot. Granted i believe some limits are good but with a good back ground check and nothing on it then you should be allowed to on such a gun!! But if you have a offence then you shouldnt be allowed. Just depends how lazy govn'ts want to be i guess. I dont believe in taking a machine gun out hunting b/c that is no sport. But in protection i feel any measures necessary

 

[alkemyst]

There are no hunting rifles nor legally owned machine guns for private individuals. There is massive licensing to get a 'machine gun' permit and much like liquor licenses the people with them don't want to loose them.

The Mini-14 Ruger does fire the same cartridge as the M-16, and the AR is a non-fully automatic clone of the M16....there are methods to make it automatic, but with a machine shop you can also just build your own gatling gun if you were so inclined.

When people talk about having an AK47, most have clones. If they did not come fully auto they are a clone. The AK47 and it's clones are banned most places. Many that have them have modified them or gotten them illegally.

There are a lot of illegally owned weapons in america....I have witnessed at a hunting lodge for a company vacation tommy guns, ak's, uzi, mac's, automatic shotguns and grenade launchers....these people had money and the desire to blow up and shoot things.

The main problem with 'legal' weapons in America is you must register them....I see no advantage in registration. A criminal will break that law regardless of how enforced it is, he isn't counting on getting caught and let's face it when you are predisposed to kill someone, you don't have much of a conscious.

Registration allows the government to know who owns guns and where they are....much like in movies you can count on areas 'deemed' high threats may just be leveled in the case of a civil war. The main problem should a civil war break out is our military has the communications up already, we may out number them and out gun them, however, they have things like with F and B designations that can make a parking lot of the battlefield before citizens even know we are at war with our own government. There are many families now in mountain 'camps' having children and not registering them. If you never got a social or birth certificate Uncle Sam doesn't know who you are.

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[K1052]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
There are no hunting rifles nor legally owned machine guns for private individuals. There is massive licensing to get a 'machine gun' permit and much like liquor licenses the people with them don't want to loose them.

The Mini-14 Ruger does fire the same cartridge as the M-16, and the AR is a non-fully automatic clone of the M16....there are methods to make it automatic, but with a machine shop you can also just build your own gatling gun if you were so inclined.

When people talk about having an AK47, most have clones. If they did not come fully auto they are a clone. The AK47 and it's clones are banned most places. Many that have them have modified them or gotten them illegally.

There are a lot of illegally owned weapons in america....I have witnessed at a hunting lodge for a company vacation tommy guns, ak's, uzi, mac's, automatic shotguns and grenade launchers....these people had money and the desire to blow up and shoot things.

The main problem with 'legal' weapons in America is you must register them....I see no advantage in registration. A criminal will break that law regardless of how enforced it is, he isn't counting on getting caught and let's face it when you are predisposed to kill someone, you don't have much of a conscious.

Registration allows the government to know who owns guns and where they are....much like in movies you can count on areas 'deemed' high threats may just be leveled in the case of a civil war. The main problem should a civil war break out is our military has the communications up already, we may out number them and out gun them, however, they have things like with F and B designations that can make a parking lot of the battlefield before citizens even know we are at war with our own government. There are many families now in mountain 'camps' having children and not registering them. If you never got a social or birth certificate Uncle Sam doesn't know who you are.

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For normal civilian ownership of automatic firearms the license follows the weapon, not the person. Each of these firearms that fall under the NFA require an extensive background check and a $200 transfer. The further manufacture and importation of automatic weapons for domestic sale was made illegal in 1968. It is completely legal for a person to own such weapons if they follow all the federal laws and it is not illegal in their state.

Certain licenses can be obtained from the ATF to manufacture and possess these weapons for other reasons: Law enforcement use, government agencies, export, etc.

There is no national registration in the US for firearms besides the NFA weapons. The transfer forms filled out by people at stores when purchasing firearms are kept on file by the dealer and not sent in to the ATF.

There are indeed large amounts of illegal weapons existing in the US. Occasionally the ATF finds a bunch of them. Every once and a while I hear about a vet dying and the family finding all kinds of interesting things. It is amazing what some people brought back.