World Terror Attacks Tripled In 2004

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Terrorist attacks did not increase at this rate during Clinton, and apart from 93', (several months after he took office), there were no foreign terrorist attacks in the United States.

Hate to play devil's advocate but that number, though fantastic (I prefer 0 to any other number), is kind of meaningless considering that terrorist attacks are not a staple of America. Attacks against American interests, however, are way up.

I was somewhat playing devil's advocate too. It's really impossible to say whether luck or bush ar ethe recent the US has not been attacked. Across the world, obviously the "war on terror" (which is an idiotic term to begin with) isn't helping the other countries. Things have come to a head more though now than with Clinton, and american interests are more visible, at least in places like Iraq, where before it had none. How many of these terrorist attacks are not terrorism in the pure sense, but rather insurgent attacks on US forces using means that are normally associated with terrorists (for instance, i don't call a guy aiming himself at US troops with a strap-on bomb a terrorist, even though he will die).

Terrorism as a term is so ridiculously vague anyway.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
This tells me the rest of the world isn't doing as good of a job dealing with terrorism. Perhaps if they came on board with OUR strategy, their attacks would go down as well.. And again, lets point out where these attacks are occuring.. almost entirely in Islamic countries..

These attacks are not occuring in the United States, Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc.. Why is that? Could it be we are not oppressive governments like Islamic countries? Maybe there IS something to spreading democracy throughout the world. Democratic governments don't seem to be having problems with it except in isolated cases, in which case they are usually committed by Islamic radicals.

Radical Islam is the problem, NOT the United States.

Tim McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ring any bells?

Radical *anything* is a problem and that includes the radical "Christians" here in the U.S.

Two examples of terrorism in the United States by INDIVIDUALS does not indicate a problem. You can never protect against that completely. Christianity does not support and endorse the terrorism.. Islam in many cases DOES.. How many terror bombings was Pope John Paul linked to? How many terror bombings are prominent Islamic leaders linked to?

When Christians start car bombings every other day and local Cadinals and Bishops support it, THEN maybe you would have a point.. Yes, radical ANYTHING is bad, but there are far more radical MUSLIMS acting on their hatred than anyone else, and far more leaders of that religion supporting it.

Its easy to point to one Christian terrorist and say SEE!! SEE!! Christians are terrorists too.. But that ignores the fact that there are 1000 Islamic radicals acting on their hatred to every 1 Christian.. Both are bad, one needs a lot more attention to deal with.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conehead433
"The number of "significant" international terrorist attacks rose to about 650 last year from about 175 in 2003, according to congressional aides briefed on the numbers by State Department and intelligence officials on Monday. "

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What are they counting as "terror attacks"? I mean, you would think we'd hear about these, oh, twice daily on average if that were the real number. Are they including insurgent terror attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan? In that case I could buy the number, but otherwise I'd like to see the detail. Obviously these aren't 9/11 scale attacks.

Jason

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
This tells me the rest of the world isn't doing as good of a job dealing with terrorism. Perhaps if they came on board with OUR strategy, their attacks would go down as well.. And again, lets point out where these attacks are occuring.. almost entirely in Islamic countries..

These attacks are not occuring in the United States, Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc.. Why is that? Could it be we are not oppressive governments like Islamic countries? Maybe there IS something to spreading democracy throughout the world. Democratic governments don't seem to be having problems with it except in isolated cases, in which case they are usually committed by Islamic radicals.

Radical Islam is the problem, NOT the United States.

Tim McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ring any bells?

Radical *anything* is a problem and that includes the radical "Christians" here in the U.S.

Two examples of terrorism in the United States by INDIVIDUALS does not indicate a problem. You can never protect against that completely. Christianity does not support and endorse the terrorism.. Islam in many cases DOES.. How many terror bombings was Pope John Paul linked to? How many terror bombings are prominent Islamic leaders linked to?

When Christians start car bombings every other day and local Cadinals and Bishops support it, THEN maybe you would have a point.. Yes, radical ANYTHING is bad, but there are far more radical MUSLIMS acting on their hatred than anyone else, and far more leaders of that religion supporting it.

Its easy to point to one Christian terrorist and say SEE!! SEE!! Christians are terrorists too.. But that ignores the fact that there are 1000 Islamic radicals acting on their hatred to every 1 Christian.. Both are bad, one needs a lot more attention to deal with.

Just like you completly ignore the situation that those "terrorists" are in. They have no future, live in sh1t, and are desperate. You can swap the names of the religions around, and you would have people still do the same thing. When people are desperate and with no hope for the future, they will do whatever they can against what they perceive as the oppresors (be it true or not).

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
This tells me the rest of the world isn't doing as good of a job dealing with terrorism. Perhaps if they came on board with OUR strategy, their attacks would go down as well.. And again, lets point out where these attacks are occuring.. almost entirely in Islamic countries..

These attacks are not occuring in the United States, Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc.. Why is that? Could it be we are not oppressive governments like Islamic countries? Maybe there IS something to spreading democracy throughout the world. Democratic governments don't seem to be having problems with it except in isolated cases, in which case they are usually committed by Islamic radicals.

Radical Islam is the problem, NOT the United States.

Tim McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ring any bells?

Radical *anything* is a problem and that includes the radical "Christians" here in the U.S.

Two examples of terrorism in the United States by INDIVIDUALS does not indicate a problem. You can never protect against that completely. Christianity does not support and endorse the terrorism.. Islam in many cases DOES.. How many terror bombings was Pope John Paul linked to? How many terror bombings are prominent Islamic leaders linked to?

When Christians start car bombings every other day and local Cadinals and Bishops support it, THEN maybe you would have a point.. Yes, radical ANYTHING is bad, but there are far more radical MUSLIMS acting on their hatred than anyone else, and far more leaders of that religion supporting it.

Its easy to point to one Christian terrorist and say SEE!! SEE!! Christians are terrorists too.. But that ignores the fact that there are 1000 Islamic radicals acting on their hatred to every 1 Christian.. Both are bad, one needs a lot more attention to deal with.

Just like you completly ignore the situation that those "terrorists" are in. They have no future, live in sh1t, and are desperate. You can swap the names of the religions around, and you would have people still do the same thing. When people are desperate and with no hope for the future, they will do whatever they can against what they perceive as the oppresors (be it true or not).

Islam is whats oppressing them, and they are blaming us since its easier than blaming yourself.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: conehead433
"The number of "significant" international terrorist attacks rose to about 650 last year from about 175 in 2003, according to congressional aides briefed on the numbers by State Department and intelligence officials on Monday. "

Text

Related to this, in the Washington Post story on this issue, it was reiterated that the State Department has decided to NOT release these figures as part of the official report.

The relevant quote:

The State Department announced last week that it was breaking with tradition in withholding the statistics on terrorist attacks from its congressionally mandated annual report. Critics said the move was designed to shield the government from questions about the success of its effort to combat terrorism by eliminating what amounted to the only year-to-year benchmark of progress.

Although the State Department said the data would still be made public by the new National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), which prepares the information, officials at the center said no decision to publish the statistics has been made.

WashPost Story

(You may need to register to access the story.)

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
This tells me the rest of the world isn't doing as good of a job dealing with terrorism. Perhaps if they came on board with OUR strategy, their attacks would go down as well.. And again, lets point out where these attacks are occuring.. almost entirely in Islamic countries..

These attacks are not occuring in the United States, Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc.. Why is that? Could it be we are not oppressive governments like Islamic countries? Maybe there IS something to spreading democracy throughout the world. Democratic governments don't seem to be having problems with it except in isolated cases, in which case they are usually committed by Islamic radicals.

Radical Islam is the problem, NOT the United States.

Tim McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ring any bells?

Radical *anything* is a problem and that includes the radical "Christians" here in the U.S.

Two examples of terrorism in the United States by INDIVIDUALS does not indicate a problem. You can never protect against that completely. Christianity does not support and endorse the terrorism.. Islam in many cases DOES.. How many terror bombings was Pope John Paul linked to? How many terror bombings are prominent Islamic leaders linked to?

When Christians start car bombings every other day and local Cadinals and Bishops support it, THEN maybe you would have a point.. Yes, radical ANYTHING is bad, but there are far more radical MUSLIMS acting on their hatred than anyone else, and far more leaders of that religion supporting it.

Its easy to point to one Christian terrorist and say SEE!! SEE!! Christians are terrorists too.. But that ignores the fact that there are 1000 Islamic radicals acting on their hatred to every 1 Christian.. Both are bad, one needs a lot more attention to deal with.

No. Islam does NOT support terrorism. If it did, we'd be seeing Muslims all over the world attacking their own countries. Why aren't we seeing that, Crimson? Hmmm??

No, you're concerned with distorted views of Islam like those held by the likes of bin Laden. Much the same as the distorted views of Christianity lead the radical Christian clerics to commit racial and sexual discrimination in the name of Jesus.

And, what about those Christian Catholic priests molesting who knows how many young boys? Does terrorism only equal suicide bombings? Well, we can look to the history of Northern Ireland for other examples, too.

 

[NJDevil]

Hey Crimson, it's been shown time and time again that Islam is not the cause of terrorism. In fact, up until 2001 (maybe even true today), the group with the most suicide bombings was the LTTE, a group consisting of mostly Hindu Tamils. They are fighting for a Tamil state state recognized by Sri Lanka. An added fact is that they are secular, and accounted for 75/186 suicide terrorist bombings from 1980 to 2001.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think the neocons would respond that "it's hard work" and "it takes time." Never mind that their strategy is doomed to failure (as I argue in my thread on Bush's anti-terror strategy).

He said he has to work some Saturday's, apparenty he is not working enough Saturdays.

 

[MCWAR]

posted by : InfectedMushroom
quote:

Just like you completly ignore the situation that those "terrorists" are in. They have no future, live in sh1t, and are desperate. You can swap the names of the religions around, and you would have people still do the same thing. When people are desperate and with no hope for the future, they will do whatever they can against what they perceive as the oppresors (be it true or not).
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How does that explain the saudi 911 terrorist? Most of them were well educated, had futures and were not living in shit.

 

[Amplifier]

Lay off Bush, he's the one out there trying to stop these attacks. But to be honest if he were really serious about stopping terrorists there would be a deep black hole where Saudi Arabia used to be.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
This tells me the rest of the world isn't doing as good of a job dealing with terrorism. Perhaps if they came on board with OUR strategy, their attacks would go down as well.. And again, lets point out where these attacks are occuring.. almost entirely in Islamic countries..

These attacks are not occuring in the United States, Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc.. Why is that? Could it be we are not oppressive governments like Islamic countries? Maybe there IS something to spreading democracy throughout the world. Democratic governments don't seem to be having problems with it except in isolated cases, in which case they are usually committed by Islamic radicals.

Radical Islam is the problem, NOT the United States.

Tim McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ring any bells?

Radical *anything* is a problem and that includes the radical "Christians" here in the U.S.

Two examples of terrorism in the United States by INDIVIDUALS does not indicate a problem. You can never protect against that completely. Christianity does not support and endorse the terrorism.. Islam in many cases DOES.. How many terror bombings was Pope John Paul linked to? How many terror bombings are prominent Islamic leaders linked to?

When Christians start car bombings every other day and local Cadinals and Bishops support it, THEN maybe you would have a point.. Yes, radical ANYTHING is bad, but there are far more radical MUSLIMS acting on their hatred than anyone else, and far more leaders of that religion supporting it.

Its easy to point to one Christian terrorist and say SEE!! SEE!! Christians are terrorists too.. But that ignores the fact that there are 1000 Islamic radicals acting on their hatred to every 1 Christian.. Both are bad, one needs a lot more attention to deal with.

No. Islam does NOT support terrorism. If it did, we'd be seeing Muslims all over the world attacking their own countries. Why aren't we seeing that, Crimson? Hmmm??

No, you're concerned with distorted views of Islam like those held by the likes of bin Laden. Much the same as the distorted views of Christianity lead the radical Christian clerics to commit racial and sexual discrimination in the name of Jesus.

And, what about those Christian Catholic priests molesting who knows how many young boys? Does terrorism only equal suicide bombings? Well, we can look to the history of Northern Ireland for other examples, too.

Would you at least admit that Muslims easily are the religious group that terrorizes the most?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Lay off Bush, he's the one out there trying to stop these attacks. But to be honest if he were really serious about stopping terrorists there would be a deep black Radioactive hole where Saudi Arabia used to be.

Fixed.

Jason

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
This tells me the rest of the world isn't doing as good of a job dealing with terrorism. Perhaps if they came on board with OUR strategy, their attacks would go down as well.. And again, lets point out where these attacks are occuring.. almost entirely in Islamic countries..

These attacks are not occuring in the United States, Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc.. Why is that? Could it be we are not oppressive governments like Islamic countries? Maybe there IS something to spreading democracy throughout the world. Democratic governments don't seem to be having problems with it except in isolated cases, in which case they are usually committed by Islamic radicals.

Radical Islam is the problem, NOT the United States.

Tim McVeigh? Eric Rudolph? Ring any bells?

Radical *anything* is a problem and that includes the radical "Christians" here in the U.S.

Two examples of terrorism in the United States by INDIVIDUALS does not indicate a problem. You can never protect against that completely. Christianity does not support and endorse the terrorism.. Islam in many cases DOES.. How many terror bombings was Pope John Paul linked to? How many terror bombings are prominent Islamic leaders linked to?

When Christians start car bombings every other day and local Cadinals and Bishops support it, THEN maybe you would have a point.. Yes, radical ANYTHING is bad, but there are far more radical MUSLIMS acting on their hatred than anyone else, and far more leaders of that religion supporting it.

Its easy to point to one Christian terrorist and say SEE!! SEE!! Christians are terrorists too.. But that ignores the fact that there are 1000 Islamic radicals acting on their hatred to every 1 Christian.. Both are bad, one needs a lot more attention to deal with.

Just like you completly ignore the situation that those "terrorists" are in. They have no future, live in sh1t, and are desperate. You can swap the names of the religions around, and you would have people still do the same thing. When people are desperate and with no hope for the future, they will do whatever they can against what they perceive as the oppresors (be it true or not).

Islam is whats oppressing them, and they are blaming us since its easier than blaming yourself.

You are not notice that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. There are probably many documented instance where a church will define someone as a martyr, and another group will define them as a "terrorist".
Thinking absolute in terms like that is horrible, because you limit yourself to one point of view.

So stop assuming it is Islam that is at fault. These "Clerics" are just regular people who happen to use the cause of their religion as a means of justifacation to their actions. Much how ANY religous person does. They don't go around saying "Kill kill kill because our book said so" they go around and say "These are the unjustices that have been commited by us, and because God gave us the right to defend ourselves from others THEN we must prevent what is happening to us"

The main problem is when you have corrupt idiots who say that, but they are the ones that are flaming the situation, or doing nothing to better it...and EVERY religion in the world has people who twist it like this.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Islam does NOT support terrorism. If it did, we'd be seeing Muslims all over the world attacking their own countries. Why aren't we seeing that, Crimson? Hmmm??

No, you're concerned with distorted views of Islam like those held by the likes of bin Laden. Much the same as the distorted views of Christianity lead the radical Christian clerics to commit racial and sexual discrimination in the name of Jesus.

And, what about those Christian Catholic priests molesting who knows how many young boys? Does terrorism only equal suicide bombings? Well, we can look to the history of Northern Ireland for other examples, too.

Would you at least admit that Muslims easily are the religious group that terrorizes the most?

No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Islam does NOT support terrorism. If it did, we'd be seeing Muslims all over the world attacking their own countries. Why aren't we seeing that, Crimson? Hmmm??

No, you're concerned with distorted views of Islam like those held by the likes of bin Laden. Much the same as the distorted views of Christianity lead the radical Christian clerics to commit racial and sexual discrimination in the name of Jesus.

And, what about those Christian Catholic priests molesting who knows how many young boys? Does terrorism only equal suicide bombings? Well, we can look to the history of Northern Ireland for other examples, too.

Would you at least admit that Muslims easily are the religious group that terrorizes the most?

No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

Are the Pakistani and other terrorists who attack India NOT muslim? Are the terrorists who attack US soldiers in Iraq NOT muslim? Are the Chechnyan terrorists who blow up Russian school children NOT muslim? Are the Abu Sayyaf in the Phillipines who carry out bombings NOT muslim?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Islam does NOT support terrorism. If it did, we'd be seeing Muslims all over the world attacking their own countries. Why aren't we seeing that, Crimson? Hmmm??

No, you're concerned with distorted views of Islam like those held by the likes of bin Laden. Much the same as the distorted views of Christianity lead the radical Christian clerics to commit racial and sexual discrimination in the name of Jesus.

And, what about those Christian Catholic priests molesting who knows how many young boys? Does terrorism only equal suicide bombings? Well, we can look to the history of Northern Ireland for other examples, too.

Would you at least admit that Muslims easily are the religious group that terrorizes the most?

No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

Who do you think does, if not Muslims? You think Christians are doing most of the terrorist attacks? Please. Almost every Arab terrorist does it because of Jihad, which is a religious idea. Arabs probably account for 75% of terrorist attacks around the world.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

Who do you think does, if not Muslims? You think Christians are doing most of the terrorist attacks? Please. Almost every Arab terrorist does it because of Jihad, which is a religious idea. Arabs probably account for 75% of terrorist attacks around the world.

Do you not read threads?

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Hey Crimson, it's been shown time and time again that Islam is not the cause of terrorism. In fact, up until 2001 (maybe even true today), the group with the most suicide bombings was the LTTE, a group consisting of mostly Hindu Tamils. They are fighting for a Tamil state state recognized by Sri Lanka. An added fact is that they are secular, and accounted for 75/186 suicide terrorist bombings from 1980 to 2001.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

Who do you think does, if not Muslims? You think Christians are doing most of the terrorist attacks? Please. Almost every Arab terrorist does it because of Jihad, which is a religious idea. Arabs probably account for 75% of terrorist attacks around the world.

Do you not read threads?

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Hey Crimson, it's been shown time and time again that Islam is not the cause of terrorism. In fact, up until 2001 (maybe even true today), the group with the most suicide bombings was the LTTE, a group consisting of mostly Hindu Tamils. They are fighting for a Tamil state state recognized by Sri Lanka. An added fact is that they are secular, and accounted for 75/186 suicide terrorist bombings from 1980 to 2001.

Why should he? You sure as hell don't.

Jason

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Islam does NOT support terrorism. If it did, we'd be seeing Muslims all over the world attacking their own countries. Why aren't we seeing that, Crimson? Hmmm??

No, you're concerned with distorted views of Islam like those held by the likes of bin Laden. Much the same as the distorted views of Christianity lead the radical Christian clerics to commit racial and sexual discrimination in the name of Jesus.

And, what about those Christian Catholic priests molesting who knows how many young boys? Does terrorism only equal suicide bombings? Well, we can look to the history of Northern Ireland for other examples, too.

Would you at least admit that Muslims easily are the religious group that terrorizes the most?

No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

Who do you think does, if not Muslims? You think Christians are doing most of the terrorist attacks? Please. Almost every Arab terrorist does it because of Jihad, which is a religious idea. Arabs probably account for 75% of terrorist attacks around the world.

As I mentioned before in this thread, 75 of the 186 documented suicide terrorist attacks that occured from 1980 to 2001 were committed by Hindu's. They are a secular group. While the war on terror focuses on Islamic Fundamentalists, one would be hardpressed to say that 75% is caused by muslims. Remember, according to many Iraqi's, American bombs that kill innocent civilians are terror attacks. It all depends on definition.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

Who do you think does, if not Muslims? You think Christians are doing most of the terrorist attacks? Please. Almost every Arab terrorist does it because of Jihad, which is a religious idea. Arabs probably account for 75% of terrorist attacks around the world.

Do you not read threads?

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Hey Crimson, it's been shown time and time again that Islam is not the cause of terrorism. In fact, up until 2001 (maybe even true today), the group with the most suicide bombings was the LTTE, a group consisting of mostly Hindu Tamils. They are fighting for a Tamil state state recognized by Sri Lanka. An added fact is that they are secular, and accounted for 75/186 suicide terrorist bombings from 1980 to 2001.

Why should he? You sure as hell don't.

Jason

I actually think he did. ntdz said that 75% of terror attacks are from muslims. That may be true today, although the data I provided proves otherwise. I think that article stated that MOST suicide bombings were secular.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Islam does NOT support terrorism. If it did, we'd be seeing Muslims all over the world attacking their own countries. Why aren't we seeing that, Crimson? Hmmm??

No, you're concerned with distorted views of Islam like those held by the likes of bin Laden. Much the same as the distorted views of Christianity lead the radical Christian clerics to commit racial and sexual discrimination in the name of Jesus.

And, what about those Christian Catholic priests molesting who knows how many young boys? Does terrorism only equal suicide bombings? Well, we can look to the history of Northern Ireland for other examples, too.

Would you at least admit that Muslims easily are the religious group that terrorizes the most?

No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

Who do you think does, if not Muslims? You think Christians are doing most of the terrorist attacks? Please. Almost every Arab terrorist does it because of Jihad, which is a religious idea. Arabs probably account for 75% of terrorist attacks around the world.

As I mentioned before in this thread, 75 of the 186 documented suicide terrorist attacks that occured from 1980 to 2001 were committed by Hindu's. They are a secular group. While the war on terror focuses on Islamic Fundamentalists, one would be hardpressed to say that 75% is caused by muslims. Remember, according to many Iraqi's, American bombs that kill innocent civilians are terror attacks. It all depends on definition.

There has not been one suicide attack carried out by Hindus in Kashmir.

What in gods name are you talking about. Please show me these stats about Hindus blowing themselves up in suicide attacks. The fighters in Kashmir are Muslims not Hindus.

You so full of crap dude.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Diasper

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I see the war in Iraq as increasing terrorism, however, I don't think of it as the only factor that has increased terrorism. There are many other variables that are out of Bush's hands.

I also thought that there would be more terrorist actions. I didn't realize that there were that many terrorist attacks in Kashmir - almost half of them?

State-sponsored terrorism is a nasty and very powerful thing.

Almost 1,000,000 Hindus have either been killed or driven out of Kashmir by Pakistani funded terrorists. They don't discriminate either. Doesn't matter whether your a 10 year- old girl or a 25 year-old army sergeant.

I remember reading about a terrorist campaign a while back which concentrated on the women in Kashmir who did not wear burkhas. They put up signs all over Kashmir threatening women and then they carried out attacks on Hindu, Muslim and Sikh women across Kashmir. Gang-raping them and then tying their legs with rope and throwing them in freezing lakes. Nasty stuff.

I think in the last 2 years the Iraq attacks have caused more casualties though.

The nature of the violence is all a continuation of the communal violence seen with the Partition of India.

Politicising along religious is a dangerous thing...

Huh? Are you denying that Muslims carry out all of the attacks in Kashmir against their fellow Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists?

The sad thing is these idiots are mostly killing their own people now since the Hindu/Sikh genocide in Kashmir. 40 years ago Kashmir used to be 55% Muslim and 45% Hindu, Buddhist and Sikh now its around 90% Muslim. HMMMMMM... where did all those people go. I think liberals need to stop making excuses for these horrendous people. They are just plain bad.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Islam does NOT support terrorism. If it did, we'd be seeing Muslims all over the world attacking their own countries. Why aren't we seeing that, Crimson? Hmmm??

No, you're concerned with distorted views of Islam like those held by the likes of bin Laden. Much the same as the distorted views of Christianity lead the radical Christian clerics to commit racial and sexual discrimination in the name of Jesus.

And, what about those Christian Catholic priests molesting who knows how many young boys? Does terrorism only equal suicide bombings? Well, we can look to the history of Northern Ireland for other examples, too.

Would you at least admit that Muslims easily are the religious group that terrorizes the most?

No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

Who do you think does, if not Muslims? You think Christians are doing most of the terrorist attacks? Please. Almost every Arab terrorist does it because of Jihad, which is a religious idea. Arabs probably account for 75% of terrorist attacks around the world.

As I mentioned before in this thread, 75 of the 186 documented suicide terrorist attacks that occured from 1980 to 2001 were committed by Hindu's. They are a secular group. While the war on terror focuses on Islamic Fundamentalists, one would be hardpressed to say that 75% is caused by muslims. Remember, according to many Iraqi's, American bombs that kill innocent civilians are terror attacks. It all depends on definition.

There has not been one suicide attack carried out by Hindus in Kashmir.

What in gods name are you talking about. Please show me these stats about Hindus blowing themselves up in suicide attacks. The fighters in Kashmir are Muslims not Hindus.

You so full of crap dude.

I am talking about in Sri Lanka. yes, there are suicide bombings in places other than the middle east ... I wouldn't be surprised if a vast majority of the people on this forum (you included) couldn't find Sri Lanka on a map.

In one of my posts above, I stated that the group with the most suicide bombings during that period was the LTTE. They are Hindu Tamils fighting for an independent Tamil state. Where did I ever say anything about India/Pakistan?

Please be a little more thoughtful before calling someone "full of crap."

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
No. Islam does NOT support terrorism. If it did, we'd be seeing Muslims all over the world attacking their own countries. Why aren't we seeing that, Crimson? Hmmm??

No, you're concerned with distorted views of Islam like those held by the likes of bin Laden. Much the same as the distorted views of Christianity lead the radical Christian clerics to commit racial and sexual discrimination in the name of Jesus.

And, what about those Christian Catholic priests molesting who knows how many young boys? Does terrorism only equal suicide bombings? Well, we can look to the history of Northern Ireland for other examples, too.

Would you at least admit that Muslims easily are the religious group that terrorizes the most?

No. Show me the stats that most terror attacks from this report were from Muslims and then I'll say yes.

Who do you think does, if not Muslims? You think Christians are doing most of the terrorist attacks? Please. Almost every Arab terrorist does it because of Jihad, which is a religious idea. Arabs probably account for 75% of terrorist attacks around the world.

As I mentioned before in this thread, 75 of the 186 documented suicide terrorist attacks that occured from 1980 to 2001 were committed by Hindu's. They are a secular group. While the war on terror focuses on Islamic Fundamentalists, one would be hardpressed to say that 75% is caused by muslims. Remember, according to many Iraqi's, American bombs that kill innocent civilians are terror attacks. It all depends on definition.

There has not been one suicide attack carried out by Hindus in Kashmir.

What in gods name are you talking about. Please show me these stats about Hindus blowing themselves up in suicide attacks. The fighters in Kashmir are Muslims not Hindus.

You so full of crap dude.

I am talking about in Sri Lanka. yes, there are suicide bombings in places other than the middle east ... I wouldn't be surprised if a vast majority of the people on this forum (you included) couldn't find Sri Lanka on a map.

In one of my posts above, I stated that the group with the most suicide bombings during that period was the LTTE. They are Hindu Tamils fighting for an independent Tamil state. Where did I ever say anything about India/Pakistan?

Please be a little more thoughtful before calling someone "full of crap."

I know exactly where Sri Lanka is.

There have been thousands of suicide attacks over the past 20 years. Only 168 have been by the LTTE. The LTTE also has a significant Christian population. South India in general has a strong Christian presence.