World Peace

[Last Rezort]

Read his quote. He is not shoving god down our throats, he is using god as a means to an end. God told him to attack, and he did, but he hasnt said we or they are forced to become christians.

EDIT:
The point is that, yes he is misusing the name of god, and using it to connect with his christian people, but thats about it.
He has also released papers saying he was sorry for that.


Though i agree he is forcing his christianity upon us by using his christianity as a reason for pollicy.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
pol pot
drive, intellect, ability... equal is not fair, which is fine, if we're all Christian.
even some Christians aren?t Christian.. so i think the likelihood is low.

Are you suggesting that we'd find world peace if everyone was a Christian?

no, we'd find world peace if everyone where Christ like.
difference is that there are plenty of Buddhists that are more Christ like than some who go to mass twice a week.
...

Ah, well on that point I agree. It's not the only way, but I certainly think it would be a good approach

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Pedro69

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

With two Religions (radical christians & muslims) trying to shovel their beliefs down the throat of "Non -Believers" at gun point?

didn't know there where any Christians trying to convert people at the end of a gun. Such an idea seems contrary to the entirety of Christianity, so why do they think it'll work?

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [ Hussein], which I did,"

Linky

you said that there are Christians trying to spread Christianity through military intervention. That?s something entirely different from being like Joan of arc and thinking god tells you to slaughter people.

magine our surprise Wednesday to read in the Israeli paper Haaretz (online), that Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen, meeting recently with militants to enlist their support for a truce with Israel, said that, when they met in Aqaba, President Bush had told him this:

consider the source, please.
that's nuts, your going to go on the 3rd hand quote from the palistinian athority?

The Arabic-speaking colleague's translation, was this: "God inspired me to hit al Qaeda, and so I hit it. And I had the inspiration to hit Saddam, and so I hit him. Now I am determined to solve the Middle East problem if you help. Otherwise the elections will come and I will be wrapped up with them."

Even then, there's uncertainty. After all, this is Abu Mazen's account in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down by a note-taker in Arabic, then back into English.

even your artical dosn't support what your trying to say with it.

It supports my point more then it supports yours, don't you think? It doesn't denies that he sad that

 

[Last Rezort]

So are you two advocating spirituality over religion?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Not right now. Peace only works when EVERYONE is interested in living in peace. It's an all or nothing thing.

It is an all or nothing thing, all right, but all that is required is REAL interest in oneself. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you.

But if you observe yourself carefully, the notion that this is heaven right here and now will make you very angry. It will mean you have been asleep and your whole life has been a waste. Truth is known by very few because you have to suffer and let go of your pain. But nobody wants to forgive themselves,,,,,,they only want revenge. All our hopes for a better world are totally without meaning. All the love you seek you get back in full when you love like you wish you had been.

Love burns consuming the self just as the fires of hate created it.

Love is all there ever was or ever will be. Why else do you think we are all so sad and have such secret tender wonderful places. And man oh man, we have been forgiven.

Charity begins at home.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Now, if only all could understand it. I'm glad I do

 

[beyoku]

Once poeple start to think and stop thinking Dennis Kucinich is crazy we can get things started. The US is the largest, people will follow if we start the initiative.

Then again, if you believe in the bible --- Things will get worse, false religion will be attacked. Only true religion will be left, the bad guys will try to attack true religion, had of god brings the end of world....

 

[Last Rezort]

yup

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Read his quote. He is not shoving god down our throats, he is using god as a means to an end. God told him to attack, and he did, but he hasnt said we or they are forced to become christians.

EDIT:
The point is that, yes he is misusing the name of god, and using it to connect with his christian people, but thats about it.
He has also released papers saying he was sorry for that.


Though i agree he is forcing his christianity upon us by using his christianity as a reason for pollicy.

The Problem with your statement is that the other side is equally radical about their religion and sees such statement very differentlly.
The same way we see their statements about "infidels"

Religion and politics don't mix. Something we should have learned from history.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: Pedro69

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Read his quote. He is not shoving god down our throats, he is using god as a means to an end. God told him to attack, and he did, but he hasnt said we or they are forced to become christians.

EDIT:
The point is that, yes he is misusing the name of god, and using it to connect with his christian people, but thats about it.
He has also released papers saying he was sorry for that.


Though i agree he is forcing his christianity upon us by using his christianity as a reason for pollicy.

The Problem with your statement is that the other side is equally radical about their religion and sees such statement very differentlly.
The same way we see their statements about "infidels"

Religion and politics don't mix. Something we should have learned from history.

Amen.... i mean yeah

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Pedro69
It supports my point more then it supports yours, don't you think? It doesn't denies that he sad that

huh? it's a bad translation from a verry bad source and doesn?t apply to the question at hand:
"ware is Christian 'missionary' work being done a the end of a gun"

sure he sounds like a nutjob when translated from English to Arabic through another nut jobs mind back into Arabic then back into English, but that doesn't mean fundi Christians are trying to physically force others to hold the same faith as them.

So are you two advocating spirituality over religion?

I've been a devout Christian for many years, but it's only been in the past six months that I?ve actually attended church again.

Religion is a fine thing, in moderation and in it's place, with understanding that dogma and doctrine isn't something you can or should force others to live by. A spiritual relationship with Christ, on the other hand, should rule a Christians life.

 

[0roo0roo]

not until putrid ideologies of religion are left behind like that of the nazi's. esp islam with its inevitable combination of politics with religion.

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Pedro69
It supports my point more then it supports yours, don't you think? It doesn't denies that he sad that

huh? it's a bad translation from a verry bad source and doesn?t apply to the question at hand:
"ware is Christian 'missionary' work being done a the end of a gun"

sure he sounds like a nutjob when translated from English to Arabic through another nut jobs mind back into Arabic then back into English, but that doesn't mean fundi Christians are trying to physically force others to hold the same faith as them.

I am sure a lot of the muslims (and not only radicals) see this differently.
It just gives in into the endless cycle of "my god beats your God". And this cycle is getting us nowhere except maybe to another War of religions.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: albatross
yes,pre-capitalism world was peaceful....

are you crazy?

I vote no. I think world peace would be increadibly boring.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

It just gives in into the endless cycle of "my god beats your God". And this cycle is getting us nowhere except maybe to another War of religions.

definitely not a good thing, i agree.

but western Christians won't fight Muslims for religious reasons any more, reading the bible we can clearly see that Christ didn't want his message spread by way of murder.

what our secular institution of the government does for other reasons is something quite different though, so i agree, bush shouldn?t say "god" around Moslems.

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

It just gives in into the endless cycle of "my god beats your God". And this cycle is getting us nowhere except maybe to another War of religions.

definitely not a good thing, i agree.

but western Christians won't fight Muslims for religious reasons any more, reading the bible we can clearly see that Christ didn't want his message spread by way of murder.

what our secular institution of the government does for other reasons is something quite different though, so i agree, bush shouldn?t say "god" around Moslems.

Ok agreed on that

 

[yllus]

I think that as long as the world system of states exists and those states are forced to compete against each other for resources, there will always be war.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

I think that as long as the world system of states exists and those states are forced to compete against each other for resources, there will always be war.

the larger the federalist democracy the more people will be disenfranchised.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Why would the world have what it wants least? If the power to dominate others exists whether it's to spread Communism or Democracy we will gladly kill to do it.

Power exists, and some find it too hard to resist, or in fact wish to use it. Killing is not important, just as long as it's done.

 

[redhatlinux]

Putrid Ideologies, fvcking A, straight to Hell for you dick weed !!. If you know GOD, he knows you!! and if you reflect and pray, He absolutely will tell you His will. Freedom is NOT free you fvckwit. Somebody had to DIE to save your sorry ass, and His name was and is JESUS.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: albatross
yes,pre-capitalism world was peaceful....

Don't delude yourself... a long time ago wars were even worse than now with absolute total warfare including widespread rape/pillage/torture. Still continues in some countries today...

That said, world peace is an ideal to strive for, but it will never happen as long as evil continues to exist in the world (always).

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Afraid of hell? Looking for a way to justify killing other people?
Join a religion(or become a republican)!

Religion does not justify killing people - most actually condemn it. Same thing with being republican (little r) - republics don't justify killing other people either. But the thing is, any ideology/belief can be misused/abused to "justify" (make an excuse for) doing anything. It used to be that Republicans were the anti-war, pro-rights, pro-reform faction (in the 1800s at least) - not anymore sadly.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: redhatlinux
Putrid Ideologies, fvcking A, straight to Hell for you dick weed !!. If you know GOD, he knows you!! and if you reflect and pray, He absolutely will tell you His will. Freedom is NOT free you fvckwit. Somebody had to DIE to save your sorry ass, and His name was and is JESUS.

I'm sorry, don?t understand what kind of witness, and of what, your trying to bear here..
could you explain it to me?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: redhatlinux
Putrid Ideologies, fvcking A, straight to Hell for you dick weed !!. If you know GOD, he knows you!! and if you reflect and pray, He absolutely will tell you His will. Freedom is NOT free you fvckwit. Somebody had to DIE to save your sorry ass, and His name was and is JESUS.

I think this is one of LMK's false Christians.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: redhatlinux
Putrid Ideologies, fvcking A, straight to Hell for you dick weed !!. If you know GOD, he knows you!! and if you reflect and pray, He absolutely will tell you His will. Freedom is NOT free you fvckwit. Somebody had to DIE to save your sorry ass, and His name was and is JESUS.

I'm sorry, don?t understand what kind of witness, and of what, your trying to bear here..
could you explain it to me?

Hehe, wow, I have no idea what he's saying either.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: redhatlinux
Putrid Ideologies, fvcking A, straight to Hell for you dick weed !!. If you know GOD, he knows you!! and if you reflect and pray, He absolutely will tell you His will. Freedom is NOT free you fvckwit. Somebody had to DIE to save your sorry ass, and His name was and is JESUS.

I'm sorry, don?t understand what kind of witness, and of what, your trying to bear here..
could you explain it to me?

Hehe, wow, I have no idea what he's saying either.

Seems to me M, that he's saying he's angry. Some are sad, some are glad, some are mad, and some are very very bad. Not one of them is like another. Don't ask me why, go ask your mother.