World Peace

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So i was talking about the possibility of world peace and i say it cant happen with the capitalistic system we have in place.

Anyways, world peace, could it happen yes or no, eplain why.
Go for it.

 

[Steeplerot]

I hope so, it would take a lot of deprogramming for generations and growing inside of ourselves though...all of us.

 

[Albatross]

yes,pre-capitalism world was peaceful....

 

[Moonbeam]

The external world is a reflection of our inner state. World peace is that state of those who have peace within. Conflict is the result of the separation of the self into the thinker and the object of thought, the self. There is no thinker and there is no self with love.

 

[Rastus]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The external world is a reflection of our inner state. World peace is that state of those who have peace within. Conflict is the result of the separation of the self into the thinker and the object of thought, the self. There is no thinker and there is no self with love.

BS

 

[maluckey]

No, no world peace, not while we are humans as we are. Evolution may take us to different places though.

In the Earth based species, there are none that live without death and violence. Even trees choke out others and rely on dead material for food. Creeping vines kill trees, and some plants eat meat. Short of a few microbes that are certainly not making it big, there is nothing on this planet that is alive that has no part in profiting from death, either by killing, or eating the dead. Face it, if I was a space alien I would run far and away from this place, or melt it down for safety.

 

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My point was there would have to be an equality for it to work. You could not have groups of super poor would dissent from th rich. Riots would be the new wargrounds.
How would world peace work?
Would you have to mandate the jobs people did? If not the market would be flooded with needless crap. If the point of world peace is to further mankind, then wouldnt you have to. You cant have some people doing nothing and some people pushing humankind forward. That would build resentment. Heres my theory.

World peace as we think of it is impossible. There is only one way to get world peace.

Aliens.
When aliens come to the planet we will realize that we can all as one go fight someone else and steal from a diffrent planet.

In other words its not going to happen. I propose there can never be true world peace, in a world of freedom and liberty.

Have at me.

 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The external world is a reflection of our inner state. World peace is that state of those who have peace within. Conflict is the result of the separation of the self into the thinker and the object of thought, the self. There is no thinker and there is no self with love.

WoW. Deep man, really deep.

 

[Steeplerot]

Moonbeam must have the good sh1t....quit bogarting!

 

[Rainsford]

Not right now. Peace only works when EVERYONE is interested in living in peace. It's an all or nothing thing.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

pol pot
drive, intellect, ability... equal is not fair, which is fine, if we're all Christian.
even some Christians aren?t Christian.. so i think the likelihood is low.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
pol pot
drive, intellect, ability... equal is not fair, which is fine, if we're all Christian.
even some Christians aren?t Christian.. so i think the likelihood is low.

Are you suggesting that we'd find world peace if everyone was a Christian?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Not right now. Peace only works when EVERYONE is interested in living in peace. It's an all or nothing thing.

It is an all or nothing thing, all right, but all that is required is REAL interest in oneself. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you.

But if you observe yourself carefully, the notion that this is heaven right here and now will make you very angry. It will mean you have been asleep and your whole life has been a waste. Truth is known by very few because you have to suffer and let go of your pain. But nobody wants to forgive themselves,,,,,,they only want revenge. All our hopes for a better world are totally without meaning. All the love you seek you get back in full when you love like you wish you had been.

Love burns consuming the self just as the fires of hate created it.

Love is all there ever was or ever will be. Why else do you think we are all so sad and have such secret tender wonderful places. And man oh man, we have been forgiven.

Charity begins at home.

 

[conehead433]

Not with Dubya as President.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
pol pot
drive, intellect, ability... equal is not fair, which is fine, if we're all Christian.
even some Christians aren?t Christian.. so i think the likelihood is low.

Are you suggesting that we'd find world peace if everyone was a Christian?

no, we'd find world peace if everyone where Christ like.
difference is that there are plenty of Buddhists that are more Christ like than some who go to mass twice a week.

the notion that this is heaven right here and now will make you very angry.

ever been to jail?
the idea that not only is the kingdom of God now, but i was in the greatest place i could have been, right ware God wanted me to be, while in jail was both liberating and a joyful experience.

 

[imported_Pedro69]

With two Religions (radical christians & muslims) trying to shovel their beliefs down the throat of "Non -Believers" at gun point?

No I don't think so.

 

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Moonbeam must have the good sh1t....quit bogarting!

HA!

 

[LordMagnusKain]

With two Religions (radical christians & muslims) trying to shovel their beliefs down the throat of "Non -Believers" at gun point?

didn't know there where any Christians trying to convert people at the end of a gun. Such an idea seems contrary to the entirety of Christianity, so why do they think it'll work?

 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Not right now. Peace only works when EVERYONE is interested in living in peace. It's an all or nothing thing.

It is an all or nothing thing, all right, but all that is required is REAL interest in oneself. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you.

But if you observe yourself carefully, the notion that this is heaven right here and now will make you very angry. It will mean you have been asleep and your whole life has been a waste. Truth is known by very few because you have to suffer and let go of your pain. But nobody wants to forgive themselves,,,,,,they only want revenge. All our hopes for a better world are totally without meaning. All the love you seek you get back in full when you love like you wish you had been.

Love burns consuming the self just as the fires of hate created it.

Love is all there ever was or ever will be. Why else do you think we are all so sad and have such secret tender wonderful places. And man oh man, we have been forgiven.

Charity begins at home.

The truth shal set you free, but first it will hurt a little.
Fo Sho man, i get what your saying. Hehe, but its a little ambiguous if youve never studied philosophy. Good stuff though.

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

With two Religions (radical christians & muslims) trying to shovel their beliefs down the throat of "Non -Believers" at gun point?

didn't know there where any Christians trying to convert people at the end of a gun. Such an idea seems contrary to the entirety of Christianity, so why do they think it'll work?

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [ Hussein], which I did,"

Linky

 

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I dont think it is a religious or political issue. I believe it can only happen through economic change. Money rules the world. As long as people will do anything to get it we will never have peace.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Pedro69

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

With two Religions (radical christians & muslims) trying to shovel their beliefs down the throat of "Non -Believers" at gun point?

didn't know there where any Christians trying to convert people at the end of a gun. Such an idea seems contrary to the entirety of Christianity, so why do they think it'll work?

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [ Hussein], which I did,"

Linky

you said that there are Christians trying to spread Christianity through military intervention. That?s something entirely different from being like Joan of arc and thinking god tells you to slaughter people.

magine our surprise Wednesday to read in the Israeli paper Haaretz (online), that Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen, meeting recently with militants to enlist their support for a truce with Israel, said that, when they met in Aqaba, President Bush had told him this:

consider the source, please.
that's nuts, your going to go on the 3rd hand quote from the palistinian athority?

The Arabic-speaking colleague's translation, was this: "God inspired me to hit al Qaeda, and so I hit it. And I had the inspiration to hit Saddam, and so I hit him. Now I am determined to solve the Middle East problem if you help. Otherwise the elections will come and I will be wrapped up with them."

Even then, there's uncertainty. After all, this is Abu Mazen's account in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down by a note-taker in Arabic, then back into English.

even your artical dosn't support what your trying to say with it.

 

[13rian]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Not right now. Peace only works when EVERYONE is interested in living in peace. It's an all or nothing thing.

That's like making 0 = 1, neither will change nor will they be equal. In this case, it's not possible

Originally posted by: maluckey
not while we are humans as we are. Evolution may take us to different places though.

Something about this had me thinking that World Peace can only be a relative term; the more advanced/enlightened we get, the closer we'll get, but it's never truly obtainable. Either that or "Mo money, mo problems" sorta thing.

 

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I have seen none of what you say either. Though i agree the fanatics are making it hard to progress into more scientific trains of thought on human rights and equality, no one is shoving it down my throat.

 

[imported_Pedro69]

This wasn't a quote from Joan of Arc. Read the link.