World of Warcraft thread with a twist... (slight drama)

[Boze]

Originally posted by: Landroval
It confuses me when you say you "stopped playing" -- were you still planning to pay a monthly fee, or were you just expecting it to be babysat and upgraded while you do something else and get it back later?

No, as I said earlier, I won't be playing WOW anymore at all, and if by some odd chance I do, it will be with my old EQ buddies on a PVP server using my as-yet-unused Collector's Edition CD key / account. Currently the character in question is on a PVE server.

As far as "babysat and upgraded" as you put it, back in EQ's heyday, I was paying for three accounts and using them, flagging them, upgrading them, etc., and one thing I never, ever did was change someone's password and registration information. Two of the three people came back to play EQ and I had no hard feelings about that - I never paid either of them money for the accounts, I only paid the monthly fees. The fact is that I bought the copy of WOW and it was me that leveled the priest to 56. I don't want to play WOW because it caters to the element of MMORPG society that I was never a part of and because there is no sense of community compared to EverQuest.

 

[Boze]

Originally posted by: HonkeyDonk
How you can even get into a situation like this is beyond me. Are people that rude/selfish/assholish/jerkish nowadays that they do sh!t like this?

I got into this situation because I've played a healer in every single MMORPG I've ever played since Meridian 59 (to UO, to EQ, to DAOC, to you get the idea). People like myself are rare... people with what I call "The Healer Mentality". The thought of my (supposed) friends not having enough healing power to do the things they wanted to weighed pretty heavily on me. However... I also have a pretty fiery temper and when someone craps on me, they'd better run for cover. I've done some pretty spiteful things in past MMORPGs to people who screwed me or even tried to screw me. In UO I had three PKs' houses hacked and everything they owned moved to a friend's account along with their houses broken down to deeds and sold off because said friend was PK'ed by those three when she was trying to place her new house. She lost the deed to them and was practically in tears (understandable for a first-time player who struggled for months to get the gold to buy a house).

I will absolutely see this account destroyed before I let someone else own it - that is the extent I'm willing to go to.

 

[Boze]

Originally posted by: oogabooga
ps you're a sub-60 priest and not shadow?

I was shadow until level 41, when I realized the loss in healing power vs. the increase in damage was of no consequence to someone with my skill level. I was able to solo to nearly 90% efficiency of a similar leveled shadow priest using Holy / Disc skill set and a little bit of smarts, plus holy / disc skill sets allowed me to start Stratholme / UBRS raids at 51, which was a boon to my guild and random raid groups.

 

[Boze]

Originally posted by: Zeeky Boogy Doog
you decided not to play any more, they payed for 6 months of play, they own the account for those 6 months.

This argument is not valid, not even remotely valid... try that in business sometime Zeeky and see what will happen to you... I own residental rental property and just because someone pays me for six months of rent doesn't mean they own my home now and can take up the mortgage on it (Although specific legal agreements exist to do this, it must be mutual on both the owner's and buyer's part for the exchange to take place).

 

[OFFascist]

People who give away thier account info/password get what they deserve.

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: Boze

Originally posted by: Landroval
It confuses me when you say you "stopped playing" -- were you still planning to pay a monthly fee, or were you just expecting it to be babysat and upgraded while you do something else and get it back later?

No, as I said earlier, I won't be playing WOW anymore at all, and if by some odd chance I do, it will be with my old EQ buddies on a PVP server using my as-yet-unused Collector's Edition CD key / account. Currently the character in question is on a PVE server.

As far as "babysat and upgraded" as you put it, back in EQ's heyday, I was paying for three accounts and using them, flagging them, upgrading them, etc., and one thing I never, ever did was change someone's password and registration information. Two of the three people came back to play EQ and I had no hard feelings about that - I never paid either of them money for the accounts, I only paid the monthly fees. The fact is that I bought the copy of WOW and it was me that leveled the priest to 56. I don't want to play WOW because it caters to the element of MMORPG society that I was never a part of and because there is no sense of community compared to EverQuest.

Well I can understand you being upset at their rudeness. I was initially confused when you said you were done for good so did not see the problem of hat they did to the account. But I had never thought about the part you describe with EQ. I played one MMPORG and when I left I just gave my account and items/cash to a friend and never looked back (lvl 75 PLD in FFXI), although he assured me I *could* if I wanted to (but it's way too much of a time sink) I did ask my friend just to be sure the character kept ts "dignity" and was not used in unfriendly ways or to charge people for help.

 

[squirtle24]

I wouldn't feel guilty. They basically hijacked your account. If they hadn't taken advantage and changed the password/contact info on you, I'm assuming there would have been no problems; they could've used the account indefinitely.

Furthermore, although I don't like the idea of ebaying mmorpg accounts/items/etc, you could still say the account has a value. Until you've given it away or sold it, they have no right to it. I'd keep quiet on what you're doing, lest they do something spiteful to your character. I guess you don't care about it anymore, though.

Too bad WoW doesn't seem to have the secret word system that Daoc has.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Boze

Originally posted by: HonkeyDonk
How you can even get into a situation like this is beyond me. Are people that rude/selfish/assholish/jerkish nowadays that they do sh!t like this?

I got into this situation because I've played a healer in every single MMORPG I've ever played since Meridian 59 (to UO, to EQ, to DAOC, to you get the idea). People like myself are rare... people with what I call "The Healer Mentality". The thought of my (supposed) friends not having enough healing power to do the things they wanted to weighed pretty heavily on me. However... I also have a pretty fiery temper and when someone craps on me, they'd better run for cover. I've done some pretty spiteful things in past MMORPGs to people who screwed me or even tried to screw me. In UO I had three PKs' houses hacked and everything they owned moved to a friend's account along with their houses broken down to deeds and sold off because said friend was PK'ed by those three when she was trying to place her new house. She lost the deed to them and was practically in tears (understandable for a first-time player who struggled for months to get the gold to buy a house).

I will absolutely see this account destroyed before I let someone else own it - that is the extent I'm willing to go to.

Way to go outside the bounds of the game to get even. UO was a PvP game. Everyone who played that knew it. Back in the day, house deeds weren't unloseable, so people knew to use caution when placing a house. PKs were VERY prominent in those days. Just because your friend was ignorant, and got taken out by some people playing the game it was meant to be played doesn't mean you should CHEAT and take their stuff. You realize you're a cheater, don't you? You cheated to win. Because you couldn't win any other way. Way to go, big man.

 

[buzzsaw13]

I think what they did is equivilent to taking 50 dollars out of your pocket because you were the one who bought the game in the first place. Like earlier mentioned in this thread, tell Blizzard that the account has been hijacked since you are the one with the CD Key and CDs.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Boze

Originally posted by: Zeeky Boogy Doog
you decided not to play any more, they payed for 6 months of play, they own the account for those 6 months.

This argument is not valid, not even remotely valid... try that in business sometime Zeeky and see what will happen to you... I own residental rental property and just because someone pays me for six months of rent doesn't mean they own my home now and can take up the mortgage on it (Although specific legal agreements exist to do this, it must be mutual on both the owner's and buyer's part for the exchange to take place).

actually, a better analogy would be, the renters changed the locks and refused to give the landlord a copy of the key.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Boze
DISCLAIMER: The following thread may or may not include drama and/or poor decision making. Viewer discresion is advised.

I decided not to play World of Warcraft anymore. I won't go into the whys because they're really not important (not enough challenge, to tell it in a short story). Since I was in an up-and-coming guild and I was worried about them (I was primary priest at the time, level 56, holy / disc spec'ed), I told the guildleader I'd let him use the account so they could still raid effectively and what not.

Well he made the priest an officer in the guild, gave the password t the officers, and they all chipped in and bought six months of play time. They also changed the password and e-mail addres... without telling me. Needless to say when I tried to pop in to say hi and noticed the password was changed, I didn't really think much of it, but I tried to change it back to what it had been and was met with failure. I called my former guildleader and asked him what's up - the officers decided to change that info.

Not part of the deal!! I didn't give the account away, I didn't sell it, what I did was allow them to use it indefinitely. Some might argue, "Why do you care, since you don't play anymore and you don't want to play anymore?" Simple, I'm still the guy who paid for the account. I let people use my car, it doesn't mean they can put 6 months of gas in it and they own the thing!

So I talk to them about this and they have no plans to release the account login information back into me. Now I've e-mailed Blizzard and I'm going to retake possession of the account, and if worse comes to worse I'll see the account banned before I allow someone else to own my priest... I guess I'm only posting because I feel some guilt about them losing their however much money 6 months of WOW costs...

Have I done the right thing here?...

You said you weren't playing anymore, you said you gave them the account to use, and if you didn't say "Let me keep access to it" then you're in the wrong here.

 

[ribbon13]

Get IPs, pay PI, supoena ISP, contact me.

 

[Looney]

You effectively gave them account if you gave them the information and pw and permission to use it.

This is pretty common practice for raiding guilds... you didn't get to where you are without the guild, certainly not all the raid level equipment you acquired. So it's quite common for people who leave the guild, to give the characters to the guild. That's probably what he thought you did.

Is he saying you CAN'T come back and play? If so, that's low.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Looney


Is he saying you CAN'T come back and play? If so, that's low.

So I talk to them about this and they have no plans to release the account login information back into me.

 

[Boze]

Originally posted by: Looney
You effectively gave them account if you gave them the information and pw and permission to use it.

This is pretty common practice for raiding guilds... you didn't get to where you are without the guild, certainly not all the raid level equipment you acquired. So it's quite common for people who leave the guild, to give the characters to the guild. That's probably what he thought you did.

Is he saying you CAN'T come back and play? If so, that's low.

Uh, Looney, I did get to where I was without the guild! For the two months I was in the guild, I passed all the equipment on to the lower level priests that we got in raids because I had already picked it up via pick up raids. I joined that guild at level 40ish and I got exactly one piece of gear from raids in the 2 months I was in the guild. Every other piece of gear I got was of my own hard work!

 

[iversonyin]

If you dont want to play, you let them use your account, and they are willing to pay for it...who the efff care?

WTF you have to lose really?

 

[Hossenfeffer]

I dunno... call me crazy. But take a step back and ask yourself "does this even matter"? Granted, I say do call up Blizzard and get the account back, but the drama makes me laugh.

 

[Boze]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Way to go outside the bounds of the game to get even. UO was a PvP game. Everyone who played that knew it. Back in the day, house deeds weren't unloseable, so people knew to use caution when placing a house. PKs were VERY prominent in those days. Just because your friend was ignorant, and got taken out by some people playing the game it was meant to be played doesn't mean you should CHEAT and take their stuff. You realize you're a cheater, don't you? You cheated to win. Because you couldn't win any other way. Way to go, big man.

UO was a PVP unrestricted game... a thought that even Richard Garriott should have been smart enough to realize was sheer folly. Anytime people can do something that's wrong and know for certain they'll get away with it, they will.

PKs weren't prominent after the first six months to a year, GANKERS AND GRIEFERS and teams of GANKERS AND GRIEFERS were prominent after the first six months to a year. Difference. I met PKs once in UO. They wanted me to pay a toll of 100 gold to pass through their forest, or else they'd kill me. That's a PK. Setting a trap on a pile of gold in the middle of nowhere... that's PKing... running rampant and killing everyone you come across, which is what the aforementioned smile did, is not PKing, its unrestricted griefing. Especially when you do it a team.

I took great pleasure in tracking down individual PKs myself, with no cheats or hacks, and killing them. I took even greater pleasure in tracking down known griefers and griefing them for a change. I was the Long Arm of the Law, and you can take your "cheated to win" bullshit and go away former-PKer and cry in the corner.

I didn't "cheat to win" "because I couldn't win any other way". I cheated and destroyed the livlihood of gankers and griefers because Origin wanted to truly "play God" and let the community form their own law. And guess what - we did.

 

[ElFenix]

omg drama queen

in uo you cheated. going outside the game is cheating.

in the current situation they probably should continue to let you play.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Boze

Originally posted by: Looney
You effectively gave them account if you gave them the information and pw and permission to use it.

This is pretty common practice for raiding guilds... you didn't get to where you are without the guild, certainly not all the raid level equipment you acquired. So it's quite common for people who leave the guild, to give the characters to the guild. That's probably what he thought you did.

Is he saying you CAN'T come back and play? If so, that's low.

Uh, Looney, I did get to where I was without the guild! For the two months I was in the guild, I passed all the equipment on to the lower level priests that we got in raids because I had already picked it up via pick up raids. I joined that guild at level 40ish and I got exactly one piece of gear from raids in the 2 months I was in the guild. Every other piece of gear I got was of my own hard work!

Regardless, you gave them the account imo. I just gave an example why people give their accounts to the guild when they're done playing. But it's still low of them not to give you the account back now that you want to play.

BTW, they probably changed the pw just incase you had given the pw out to others as well.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Boze

Originally posted by: Nebor
Way to go outside the bounds of the game to get even. UO was a PvP game. Everyone who played that knew it. Back in the day, house deeds weren't unloseable, so people knew to use caution when placing a house. PKs were VERY prominent in those days. Just because your friend was ignorant, and got taken out by some people playing the game it was meant to be played doesn't mean you should CHEAT and take their stuff. You realize you're a cheater, don't you? You cheated to win. Because you couldn't win any other way. Way to go, big man.

UO was a PVP unrestricted game... a thought that even Richard Garriott should have been smart enough to realize was sheer folly. Anytime people can do something that's wrong and know for certain they'll get away with it, they will.

PKs weren't prominent after the first six months to a year, GANKERS AND GRIEFERS and teams of GANKERS AND GRIEFERS were prominent after the first six months to a year. Difference. I met PKs once in UO. They wanted me to pay a toll of 100 gold to pass through their forest, or else they'd kill me. That's a PK. Setting a trap on a pile of gold in the middle of nowhere... that's PKing... running rampant and killing everyone you come across, which is what the aforementioned smile did, is not PKing, its unrestricted griefing. Especially when you do it a team.

I took great pleasure in tracking down individual PKs myself, with no cheats or hacks, and killing them. I took even greater pleasure in tracking down known griefers and griefing them for a change. I was the Long Arm of the Law, and you can take your "cheated to win" bullshit and go away former-PKer and cry in the corner.

I didn't "cheat to win" "because I couldn't win any other way". I cheated and destroyed the livlihood of gankers and griefers because Origin wanted to truly "play God" and let the community form their own law. And guess what - we did.

You went outside the game to win because you didn't have the skills or ability to beat them within the confines of the game. You're worse than any so called "griefer."

I played UO for 7 years. I saw it all, and did it all. I hunted PKs, and when there were a lot of them, then I went with a group. It was fun. It was part of the game. You should expect that if you die, your stuff will be taken. You should expect that if you come back, they'll kill you again, and again and again. That's the way it goes. Get stronger, get friends, come back and try again.

To question the idea of self governing shows your true character. You're a weak liberal at heart, wanting to be coddled and taken care of by the government (or the game dynamics, as it were.) It's because of you that Trammel was created, and the game was ruined. But that wasn't enough for you, you wanted revenge, but you lacked the skill and ability to get it the fair way. So you, having no honor, or respect for the game at all, became a hacker. No better than the hackers that hacked people's account, and stole their things.

You're scum, total scum. You couldn't win fairly, so you cheated. It's just shameful.

 

[essasin]

I would take the account back because they were rude about it, and then sell it on ebay.

 

[codeyf]

Any update?

 

[Anonemous]

since we don't know the whole story behind this... you basically gave your account away to some strangers online who formed a crappy guild which didn't help you in any way shape or form (from what you described) and now you expect your account back after they've leveled/prolly equiped the character with their gear.

oh man this isn't going to turn out well. Did you even tell/contact the clan leader that you were coming back?

 

[PHiuR]

protectors of internet justice!