World of Warcraft - How far have you gotten?

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Tremulant

Originally posted by: MajorMullet

Originally posted by: Anubis
how the hell do you hit 60 in 7 days? ive bene playing for almost 2 weeks and im only lvl 24

I want to know this as well

7 days if you do a /played

Edit:

The average, from what I've seen, is closer to 13 days /played.

My rogue is at almost 16 or 17 days /played and he's 59. But I've also spent time enjoying the game.

Also, to get 60 in 7 days /played, you pretty much need to know exactly where to lvl and which quests are worth doing.

Edit2: And, if you get to 60 in 7 days /played, it's pretty much a non-stop grind.

WTF does /played mean

 

[CKent]

/played command shows how much time you've spent logged in on a character.

 

[Vortex22]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Vortex22
The DPS stated on a weapon is really irrelevant.

Originally posted by: Vortex22
Higher DPS epic weapons are obviously better

Which is it?

You're contradicting yourself and admitting range is only a consideration for three classes, and only in PvP - and claiming I'm the one grasping at straws? 😕

You're an idiot. You took the first statement out of context, and have no real arguement. Make some counter points to each of the scenarios with the different classes that I laid out in the last post or give it up. The wow devs hate you waa waa.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Vortex22
You're an idiot. ... waa waa.

Ahh, namecalling 🙂

 

[Vortex22]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Vortex22
You're an idiot. ... waa waa.

Ahh, namecalling 🙂

I'm still waiting for a response to my post that explained why damage > dps for the weapon using classes. Are you too busy picking through posts for technicalities that have nothing to do with the discussion to respond, or it is just because you've been beaten and don't know how else to say it?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Vortex22

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Vortex22
You're an idiot. ... waa waa.

Ahh, namecalling 🙂

I'm still waiting for a response to my post that explained why damage > dps for the weapon using classes. Are you too busy picking through posts for technicalities that have nothing to do with the discussion to respond, or it is just because you've been beaten and don't know how else to say it?

I'm sorry, I don't argue with kids. Happy hunting!

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: RBachman
I've repeatedly stated that the gap should be there, but simply not as big, and your only argument relies on ignoring this and pigeonholing me, a raider, into the whiny "casual" camp? 😕

But, you're the one who complains about casual players and thier entitlement attitude. Do you recognize this or do I have to use the search funtion? I am a casual player. I don't own a single epic item. I'll never see the inside of BWL or MC. And I'm perfectly fine with this. I am also perfectly fine knowing that epic gear > my gear. I'm not ignoring this at all. Why would this affect me? How does this affect you?

Also, this only applies to PvP. If you don't PvP, the gear of other players has ZERO effect on you and your ability to play the game. So, as you are someone who has repeatedly voiced his abhorrence to PvP play, why do you care at all?

PvE content is designed with players' gearing in mind, and devs who spend 90% of their time designing raid encounter after raid encounter seem prone to assuming everyone's decked out in epics.

If you'll notice, epic gear and raid encounteres are tiered. You don't do BWL until you've farmed Onyxia and conquered MC. You don't do those until you've mastered UBRS. And on and on. This sets the stage perfectly for a natural progression of playing. If you are tired of running Strat/Scholo/DM etc, you can move up to UBRS. Once you have gotten all your gear there, then you can move on to MC and ZG. Once you have geared from there, you can go to BWL or AQ.

You have the freedom to stop at any point in time and be happy. I've stopped after UBRS and am doing a few ZG runs. I've hit my limit.

Your arguments seem to indicate that you want anyone who hits 60 to immediately jump into a Nefarion run, regardless of gear. Am I correct? If not, what is your argument? How does the quality of gear from Molten Core affect players who can't run UBRS? How do the rewards from AQ affect people who can't farm Onyxia yet?

Regardless, a huge number of people are unhappy with the glass ceiling in this game, read the boards some time. I know being on top is comfy, but don't assume that because you're happy with the state of affairs, everyone else should be or is wrong.

What's this "on top" thing? From what I've read, you are a more advanced player than I, have better gear, go on more raids, etc.

I'm "comfy" because I'm getting exactly what I want from the game, just as millions of other people are doing - which is exactly what was advertised by Blizzard. I game that lets you advance as far as you want, at your own pace. One that lets casual players enjoy themselves and have decent gear at their level, and the freaks who play 12 hours day have their epic raids and the associated uber-loot. Meanwhile the masses get something in between. There is no way Blizzard is going to piss off the millions of players in that middle area to pander to the extreme ends.

Besides, somehow I don't think Blizzard is getting that idea that you hate their game and implementation via your repeating $15/month credit card payments. 😉

 

[Vortex22]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Vortex22

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Vortex22
You're an idiot. ... waa waa.

Ahh, namecalling 🙂

I'm still waiting for a response to my post that explained why damage > dps for the weapon using classes. Are you too busy picking through posts for technicalities that have nothing to do with the discussion to respond, or it is just because you've been beaten and don't know how else to say it?

I'm sorry, I don't argue with kids. Happy hunting!

Looks like I've won the arguement then, I'm glad you decided to admit defeat. Looks like this thread is done now.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
But, you're the one who complains about casual players and thier entitlement attitude. Do you recognize this or do I have to use the search funtion? I am a casual player. I don't own a single epic item. I'll never see the inside of BWL or MC. And I'm perfectly fine with this. I am also perfectly fine knowing that epic gear > my gear. I'm not ignoring this at all. Why would this affect me? How does this affect you?

It's not nearly as simple as you're making it out to be. There is a wide range of sentiment on this issue, ranging from wanting raid gear to be even better, to wanting completely equal gear for casuals. Yes, a number of people who call themselves "casuals" want the same gear because they pay their monthly fee, and I disagree with that. On the other hand, a number of different people who also call themselves casuals want to be able to progress in the game without raiding, whether due to not liking it or to time concerns. They don't want raid-quality gear, just an end to the stagnation - and I feel they have a very valid point.

Your arguments seem to indicate that you want anyone who hits 60 to immediately jump into a Nefarion run, regardless of gear. Am I correct?

Not even close, I really wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth. Is it because you have no real argument? I'm done repeating myself, read through the thread if you're really interested. If, as it seems, you just want to argue - put words in someone else's mouth, I'm sick of it.

I'm "comfy" because I'm getting exactly what I want from the game, just as millions of other people are doing - which is exactly what was advertised by Blizzard. I game that lets you advance as far as you want, at your own pace. One that lets casual players enjoy themselves and have decent gear at their level, and the freaks who play 12 hours day have their epic raids and the associated uber-loot. Meanwhile the masses get something in between. There is no way Blizzard is going to piss off the millions of players in that middel area to pander to the extreme ends.

Congrats, many players don't agree with you. Read the boards some time (if Blizzard would get off their ass and make them available 😛)

Besides, somehow I don't think Blizzard is getting that idea that you hate their game and implementation via your $15/month credit card payment. 😉

What else is there for entertainment? I can watch people eat slugs on TV, I can bend over in front of Sony... er, I mean, play EQ2... I can (and do) read & play single player games, but after a certain point I've had my fill of it for awhile. MMORPGs are my thing - sadly, WoW is currently the best of what's out there.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: RBachman

It's not nearly as simple as you're making it out to be. There is a wide range of sentiment on this issue, ranging from wanting raid gear to be even better, to wanting completely equal gear for casuals. Yes, a number of people who call themselves "casuals" want the same gear because they pay their monthly fee, and I disagree with that. On the other hand, a number of different people who also call themselves casuals want to be able to progress in the game without raiding, whether due to not liking it or to time concerns. They don't want raid-quality gear, just an end to the stagnation - and I feel they have a very valid point.

Of course they have a valid point, but that has exactly dick to do with anything this conversation has discussed so far. We've been talking about epic geared being too powerful when compared to non-epic gear. For you to suddenly jet off into left field and act like your whole argument is about about stagnation for existing non-raiding players and disgenuine and absurd. Stick with a single topic. You can't apply logic 'B' to argument 'A.'

Your arguments seem to indicate that you want anyone who hits 60 to immediately jump into a Nefarion run, regardless of gear. Am I correct?

Not even close, I really wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth. Is it because you have no real argument? I'm done repeating myself, read through the thread if you're really interested. If, as it seems, you just want to argue - put words in someone else's mouth, I'm sick of it.

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Simmer down a few degrees, Bub. I couldn't care less if you are "sick of it." I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm asking a simply question, trying to narrow down WTF you are talking about. Notice how I asked "Am I correct" in that quote? That's because I have no idea what you are talking about. This whole discussion has been about epic gear being too powerful. Now you've decided to change that to something else. You whine that I have no argument, whereas you are running about 3 different arguments at once. Maybe we need to set up a thesis statement, so you can stay on track. Here's what I understand that to be

-- "Epic gear is vastly superior to other gear, and that is not fair to players who do not have it." --

Now is that the argument here or not? I can't exactly hit a moving target.

Congrats, many players don't agree with you. Read the boards some time (if Blizzard would get off their ass and make them available 😛)

Read 'em. There are some valid complaints buried under 18 billion "ZOMG! Nerf (whichever class beat me today in a duel)!!!" What am I supposed to gain from that? Certainly nothing to support your case.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Of course they have a valid point

You've just stated that you're happy with the options for the aforementioned segment of nonraiders, which implies you'd think their point invalid. Which is it?

but that has exactly dick to do with anything this conversation has discussed so far. We've been talking about epic geared being too powerful when compared to non-epic gear. For you to suddenly jet off into left field and act like your whole argument is about about stagnation for existing non-raiding players and disgenuine and absurd. Stick with a single topic. You can't apply logic 'B' to argument 'A.'

I wasn't arguing a point, I was defending myself from your consistent attempts to put words in my mouth. You painted me as a whiny casual who wants epics because I pay a monthly fee.

Here's what I understand that to be

-- "Epic gear is vastly superior to other gear, and that is not fair to players who do not have it." --

Now is that the argument here or not? I can't exactly hit a moving target.

Nothing moving but your scope, Elmer 😉 That's a part of it. Another part is that advancement for the "have-nots" is stagnant and that the game is one-dimensional.

Read 'em. There are some valid complaints buried under 18 billion "ZOMG! Nerf (whichever class beat me today in a duel)!!!" What am I supposed to gain from that? Certainly nothing to support your case.

Actually there are quite a few long discussions on the issue on the WoW boards - and those boards aren't the only place you'll find them. If you don't like sifting through the 'zomg nurf!!!' threads, you can find the same discussions (often being carried out in a more mature manner) on other MMORPG and future MMORPG boards. It's a serious issue. I watched Sony flush EQ down the john, in part, by pioneering this raid-centric model after the head developer and a lot of his team left, maybe I just have the benefit of experience here. Things often seem fine if you haven't experienced better.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: RBachman
You've just stated that you're happy with the options for the aforementioned segment of nonraiders, which implies you'd think their point invalid. Which is it?

Stop complaining about words being put in you mouth if you're going to do the same. Yes, *I* am happy with the content, but I fully recognize that others may not be. I'll never make the claim that WoW is perfect and cannot be tweaked. I know you like to think in terms of black and white, but there is a vast sea of grey in between those extremes. The game must grow and expand. If it must implement more 5- and 10-man encounters that don't take 4-5 hours to run to appease some segment of the subscribers, that's great. It doesn't change the basic game, it doesn't hurt me, so why not?

I wasn't arguing a point, I was defending myself from your consistent attempts to put words in my mouth. You painted me as a whiny casual who wants epics because I pay a monthly fee.

I did no such thing. As I've said, I recognize you as a player far more advanced that I currently am, or probably ever will be. You have simply misread something if you feel I've said otherwise.

Nothing moving but your scope, Elmer 😉 That's a part of it. Another part is that advancement for the "have-nots" is stagnant and that the game is one-dimensional.

Yet, from my first argument from the OP that startest this argument about epic gear, that has not been discussed. "One-dimensional" game play is a different topic. Perhaps I'm just not good at multitasking, but I'm still arguing that the quality of epic gear does not ruin the game for those who don't have any.

I watched Sony flush EQ down the john, in part, by pioneering this raid-centric model after the head developer and a lot of his team left, maybe I just have the benefit of experience here. Things often seem fine if you haven't experienced better.

Seriously, go play pre-Planes EQ and be done with it. Nothing will ever be as good in your eyes, whether due to truth or merely the fog of nostalgia, so why waste time in WoW, which is obviously inferior?

You continually remind me of the guy sitting in McDonald's, complaining that the burgers aren't as good as the ones the joint back in his home-town used to make, yet he comes back to eat every single day. You're free to your opinions and all, but stop acting surprised and offended when people start giving you that "Shut the fvck up already" look after weeks/months of the same tired complaints.

 

[CKent]

I'm the one who can't see shades of gray? I'm the one putting words in peoples' mouths?? :laugh:

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Seriously, go play pre-Planes EQ and be done with it. Nothing will ever be as good in your eyes, whether due to truth or merely the fog of nostalgia, so why waste time in WoW, which is obviously inferior?

It's not nostalgia, I'm just being realistic - and I'm banking on Vanguard being better. Regardless, until it's released, WoW is still the best of what's out there. If I could play pre-planes EQ in the interim, believe me I would.

 

[ShockwaveVT]

Mannoroth
60 Orc Warrior
+ 50 Undead Priest

Guild defeated Ragnaros for the first time 3 weeks ago, now we're working on Razorgore in Blackwing Lair. We've also defeated every boss in Zul'Gurub and will be starting on the 20-man AQ instance on Thursday/Friday when the Gates are opened on Mannoroth.

p.s. sometimes it sucks being on one of the best realms in the game, especially times like now when everyone and their brother wants to roll a character on mannoroth and we wind up with 900 person queues at 830pm

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: RBachman
I'm the one who can't see shades of gray? I'm the one putting words in peoples' mouths?? :laugh:

It's not nostalgia, I'm just being realistic - and I'm banking on Vanguard being better. Regardless, until it's released, WoW is still the best of what's out there. If I could play pre-planes EQ in the interim, believe me I would.

Yes, you've managed to run everyone else out of this discussion - including myself, who normally has some sort of special tolerance for this kind of juvenile debate - not due to you superior logic or wit, but due to your bullheadedness and superiority complex in that that your view of MMORPGs is the only *correct* version. Your opinions fly in the very face of millions of subscribers and in that of dead games, yet you hold them to still be superior. Everyone has conceded that their favorite games have flaws and are not perfect, but still you persist. Your opinions must be validated by others! :roll:

You have taken fanboyism to the penultimate level and no one can reach you upon the pedestal on which you and your original EQ box sit. Congratulations, I suppose.


PS: Servers are back up.

 

[ShockwaveVT]

btw i totally ignored all the off-topic arguing 😛

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: ShockwaveVT
btw i totally ignored all the off-topic arguing 😛

I saw that. Nicely played. :thumbsup:

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: RBachman
I'm the one who can't see shades of gray? I'm the one putting words in peoples' mouths?? :laugh:

It's not nostalgia, I'm just being realistic - and I'm banking on Vanguard being better. Regardless, until it's released, WoW is still the best of what's out there. If I could play pre-planes EQ in the interim, believe me I would.

Yes, you've managed to run everyone else out of this discussion - including myself, who normally has some sort of special tolerance for this kind of juvenile debate - not due to you superior logic or wit, but due to your bullheadedness and superiority complex in that that your view of MMORPGs is the only *correct* version. Your opinions fly in the very face of millions of subscribers and in that of dead games, yet you hold them to still be superior. Everyone has conceded that their favorite games have flaws and are not perfect, but still you persist. Your opinions must be validated by others! :roll:

You have taken fanboyism to the penultimate level and no one can reach you upon the pedestal on which you and your original EQ box sit. Congratulations, I suppose.


PS: Servers are back up.

I'm sorry you consider anyone who disagrees with you juvenile. I realize that not everyone is the same and all you can ask of people is to address points in a debate and remain civil. You managed half of that - until this post. As with Vortex, I'll have to end it here. Happy hunting!

 

[BigPoppa]

Yay Gurck!!!

 

[spunkz]

i wouldn't mind a pvp-only server where everyone has high warlord gear and there's a ladder system for guilds. something like guild wars, just with wow gameplay and world pvp.

 

[PrayForDeath]

PrayForDeath
Server- Draka (PvE)
Character: Level 30 Undead Warlock

I've been playing for almost a month, and I am loving the game. Certainly a fun game to play. I am in a large guild called Synergy. I like the community in the game, though I would prefer to join the AT guild but I am on a different server 🙁

 

[TallBill]

Had a lvl 60 orc warrior on Laughing Skull. The only fun part about being higher lvl was killing low level humans.

 

[Nocturnal]

I play on a few servers. My highest char is on Hakkar which is a new PvP server. Tichondrius just opened up character creation again so I rolled another mage which is level 10 on that server. I'm probably going to start a Hunter soon on Tichondrius as well as on Hakkar lol.

 

[kuba]

zzzzzzz this game
gotta love how you have to pay for the game AND to play on a server.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz regardless

 

[Lazy8s]

I beat the game on 2 different toons, got bored and quit. They can add as many shiny new pieces of armor as they want, until they add some new content (and no another instance is not new content) I'm not touching it again. How many times do you have to raid MC/BWL/ZG before it gets boring? 3 successful times? 4?