World of warcraft game sold

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Marktoloba
how cna it be against it? i am selling the game disks. The account is FREE. Show me where it says u cant give an account away

It's not yours to give...

The username and password to his account isn't his? How is this any different than letting somebody play one of your characters for 5 minutes?

 

[torpid]

Did you inform the buyer or potential buyer that they might ban the account? Will you refund him the money if the account is banned?

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Marktoloba
how cna it be against it? i am selling the game disks. The account is FREE. Show me where it says u cant give an account away

It's not yours to give...

The username and password to his account isn't his? How is this any different than letting somebody play one of your characters for 5 minutes?

The EULA is very clear on this.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Marktoloba
how cna it be against it? i am selling the game disks. The account is FREE. Show me where it says u cant give an account away

It's not yours to give...

The username and password to his account isn't his? How is this any different than letting somebody play one of your characters for 5 minutes?

because you arent charging them to play

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: vood0g
goodluck trying to sell off ur rogue. no one wants a rogue anyway...

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: Marktoloba
give them the name and password, put all the info in their name

Did you read the link I posted, you can't transfer enough info to make it truly theirs.

 

[Vampirrella]

Account transfers /selling ingame items ect has been going on for years and years now since the birth of mmorpg's. Why does anyone really even care if he sells the account or not. What is anyone to gain from trying to make him NOT sell the account. Why do YOU even care? I mean really....

/shrug

 

[zzzz]

Originally posted by: franguinho

Originally posted by: vood0g
goodluck trying to sell off ur rogue. no one wants a rogue anyway...

definitely not a rogue who uses ammo pouche.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Vampirrella
Account transfers /selling ingame items ect has been going on for years and years now since the birth of mmorpg's. Why does anyone really even care if he sells the account or not. What is anyone to gain from trying to make him NOT sell the account. Why do YOU even care? I mean really....

/shrug

Because blizzard has to spend time catching people like him, and therefore has less time and budget to do other things, such as answer in game tickets. Why does blizzard care? Several reasons, not the least of which is that it encourages exploitation of bugs and the like if people can actually make money from said exploitation.

 

[Vampirrella]

I don't see the selling of a single account from one person to another as "explotation". The said account would just change hands from one paying customer to another in this case and the characters on the account would "live on" controlled by a diffrent player (owner). Blizzard will/would still get a subcription fee (money in their pockets) from this account, no harm done.... right?

Seems like there are always a few ppl against issues like this, but this simple selling of an account I don't really think would harm a thing. The reason Blizzard and other companies don't encourage selling of accounts from one player to another (how harmless it may seem) is that they then must bend the rules a tad, and that can open up a can of worms for bigger real exploits.

 

[GZDonner]

Originally posted by: Vampirrella
I don't see the selling of a single account from one person to another as "explotation". The said account would just change hands from one paying customer to another in this case and the characters on the account would "live on" controlled by a diffrent player (owner). Blizzard will/would still get a subcription fee (money in their pockets) from this account, no harm done.... right?

People can make mad loads of money buying the game, grinding a toon up to a high level then selling the account for 4X more than he paid for it. He is making a profit off of blizzard's work. that's the only argument i see.

 

[Concillian]

Exactly, I don't see how you can argue he is NOT selling in game items for money when he sells the box/account for 3x more than the retail price.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: GZDonner

Originally posted by: Vampirrella
I don't see the selling of a single account from one person to another as "explotation". The said account would just change hands from one paying customer to another in this case and the characters on the account would "live on" controlled by a diffrent player (owner). Blizzard will/would still get a subcription fee (money in their pockets) from this account, no harm done.... right?

People can make mad loads of money buying the game, grinding a toon up to a high level then selling the account for 4X more than he paid for it. He is making a profit off of blizzard's work. that's the only argument i see.

That's more business for Blizzard. The people buying these accounts are people who don't have the time they'd like to dedicate to the game so they have't bought it but who are willing to play and pay a monthly fee if they can jump to the end and go on high level encounters and travel the land safely.

More money means they can develop a "better" game.

 

[Marktoloba]

yes im making a real profit?.... 340 hours divided by 150? Oh yes, I'd make $2.27 an hour... Sounds like a real source of income. Like others say, its harmless and blizzard is still getting their money flow. Its no different then when i did this with diablo.

 

[GZDonner]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: GZDonner

Originally posted by: Vampirrella
I don't see the selling of a single account from one person to another as "explotation". The said account would just change hands from one paying customer to another in this case and the characters on the account would "live on" controlled by a diffrent player (owner). Blizzard will/would still get a subcription fee (money in their pockets) from this account, no harm done.... right?

People can make mad loads of money buying the game, grinding a toon up to a high level then selling the account for 4X more than he paid for it. He is making a profit off of blizzard's work. that's the only argument i see.

That's more business for Blizzard. The people buying these accounts are people who don't have the time they'd like to dedicate to the game so they have't bought it but who are willing to play and pay a monthly fee if they can jump to the end and go on high level encounters and travel the land safely.

More money means they can develop a "better" game.

I'm not talking about the people who buy the game off of ebay. Im talking about the people who have the time to get a toon up to a high level and selling the account. Sure blizzard gets some money off this but in the longer run the ones that are making the profits should be stopped.

what if you opened a lemonade stand and sold cups for 25cents.. some guy comes along, puts a stand up next to yours; buys a bunch of your lemonade, adds more sugar and sells a cup for a .75 cents.

he's selling your lemonade with a little bit of his sugar and making 3x more than you are.

what would you do?

(and im not directing my posts to Marktoloba, he doesnt seem to be one of these profiteers)

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Vampirrella
Account transfers /selling ingame items ect has been going on for years and years now since the birth of mmorpg's. Why does anyone really even care if he sells the account or not. What is anyone to gain from trying to make him NOT sell the account. Why do YOU even care? I mean really....

/shrug

Because blizzard has to spend time catching people like him, and therefore has less time and budget to do other things, such as answer in game tickets. Why does blizzard care? Several reasons, not the least of which is that it encourages exploitation of bugs and the like if people can actually make money from said exploitation.

What a crock.

Blizzard doesn't spend any time answering in game tickets anyway. I was just over at their (barely functional) forum and there is some guy stuck in the middle of the ocean who can't hearthstone, can't die, and can't get a GM to help him.

He's been like this for TWO DAYS. Blizzard's tech support for WoW is a complete joke.

I have no sympathy for blizzard any longer. They have had plenty of opportunity to "do the right thing" and have chosen not to again and again.

I just might sell my account too since I can't get back into it anyway.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

That's more business for Blizzard. The people buying these accounts are people who don't have the time they'd like to dedicate to the game so they have't bought it but who are willing to play and pay a monthly fee if they can jump to the end and go on high level encounters and travel the land safely.

More money means they can develop a "better" game.

But it's still against the EULA and/or TOS to transfer an account like this because he is selling in game items/character for real world money. He is violating a contract. Just because illegally 'sampling' a copyrighted MP3 will eventually make the RIAA more money doesn't make it less illegal... while that comparison is not totally the same in a legal sense it is applicable here.

A more appropriate analogy would be you borrow your neighbors lawnmower under a contract that you will return it in like condition in one week with appropriate wear and tear for free, however you cannot use the mower for making money. Then you go out and mow people's lawns for money. With a portion of the money you made, you get the lawnmower cleaned and the blade sharpened so that it is in even better shape than when you borrowed it. You return it at the specified time. Despite the fact that your neighbor was out of use of the lawnmower for the same amount of time, and you gave the item back in better than the agreed upon condition, you STILL broke the contract. That's the thing about the contract, you agree to the rules and you are responsible for following those rules.

Justifications for spending money on online content are fine up until they cross the line into legal/contractual issues.

The reasons for those legal and contractual issues are many, but the primary one being that Blizzard NEEDS to maintain ZERO responsibility for real world value of in-game items. If a particular in-game item is worth $100 "market value" on eBay and a glitch in the system crashes the server mere seconds after you acquired this item, and it is not there when you re-log in, you can argue that Blizzard owes you $100. Blizzard NEEDS to keep that from happening at ALL COSTS in order to maintain any semblance of profitability and to keep it's monthly costs down to a level where people will actually pay them. Monthly fees begin to get tied to real world value of items if selling online items for real world money is allowed to happen.

If it becomes accepted practice for in-game items to be worth real-world money, then how long before MMO companies are responsible in the way outlined above? Blizzard is more than willing to give up revenue from one user in order to keep it's entire MMO business model viable. Believe it or not it IS in the best interests of gamers and Blizzard alike to deter this kind of activity in all possible ways. The only people who logically would not want to deter this kind of activity are those participating in it and/or those with more (real world) money than they know what to do with.