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World Leaders Gather for Auschwitz Ceremony

World Leaders Gather for Auschwitz Ceremony

By CRAIG S. SMITH

Published: January 27, 2005

KRAKOW, Poland, Jan. 26 - Heads of state, prominent Jews, Nazi death camp survivors and a handful of their liberators began gathering here Wednesday in a heavy snowstorm to commemorate the freeing of thousands of people from the nearby Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp 60 years ago.

As many as 1.5 million people, including 1 million Jews, met their death at the Auschwitz complex, which included three main camps and 39 smaller camps 40 miles southwest of Krakow. Most were killed at Auschwitz-Birkenau, the second of the main camps, that has come to symbolize the much broader Holocaust in which 6 million Jews died.

The commemoration Thursday, the largest ever, marks the liberation of the camp on Jan. 27, 1945. It will take place at a memorial built between the ruins of two of the camp's gas chambers.

The ceremony this year has an air of urgency as Jewish organizations work to ensure that awareness of the Holocaust persists after living memories of it die. This is likely to be the last major anniversary to be attended by both camp survivors and their former Soviet Red Army liberators. Only seven liberators are expected to attend the ceremony Thursday. All of them are in their 90's.

A forum on Thursday, sponsored by the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Israel and the European Jewish Congress, will seek commitments from European leaders to institutionalize the teaching of the Holocaust, drawing on educational programs and materials developed by Yad Vashem.

"The numbers of world leaders coming and the readiness of the media to follow the commemoration is greater than before, but the event is also more important now with a new anti-Semitism building in Europe," said the head of Yad Vashem, Avner Shalev, arguing that without a systematic approach to teaching about the Holocaust, its meaning for future generations may fade. "We need a concrete commitment out of this ceremony."

That commitment is all the more critical now because a growing number of Europe's young Muslims are resisting, even rejecting, efforts to teach them about the Holocaust, arguing that there is not enough attention paid to the killing of innocent Muslims by Israel or the United States-led coalitions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Teachers are reluctant to teach about the Holocaust in some schools, particularly in France, Belgium and Denmark. Mr. Shalev said that most of his organization's educational exchanges with France are now with the country's private Jewish institutions.

The commemoration will be attended by heads of state from Russia, Poland, Germany, France and Israel along with political leaders from nearly 40 other countries. Vice President Dick Cheney will attend on behalf of the United States. He arrived Wednesday and met with the Polish President, Aleksander Kwasniewski, a staunch supporter of the war in Iraq who is facing increasing public pressure to bring Polish troops home.

"We have to remind our youth that these great evils of history were perpetrated not in some remote uncivilized world but in the very heart of the civilized world," Mr. Cheney told a gathering of survivors and their families at the Galicja Jewish Museum in Krakow Wednesday. Exhibits there trace several centuries of Jewish history in southern Poland.

The commemoration means different things to each nation: for Russia it is a commemoration of its often-overlooked role as liberator, while for Poland and other Central European countries it is both part of a gradual recognition of their complicity in the killing and an opportunity to draw closer to Europe. Poland and several other former Soviet bloc countries joined the European Union last year and the rest are waiting to join.

A recent string of anti-Semitic attacks across Europe and other unsettling events, such as the widely publicized photograph of Prince Harry, third in line to the British throne, wearing a Nazi uniform at a costume party earlier this month and a walkout by far-right German legislators during a minute's silence for Nazi victims on Friday, have raised concerns that the horrors of the Holocaust are being forgotten.

Moshe Kantor, chairman of the European Jewish Congress, warned that the rise in anti-Semitic incidents should not be ignored.

"From broken windows to death camps was the blink of an eye," Mr. Kantor said, referring to the four years between the 1938 attacks on German Jews known as Kristallnacht, or Night of Broken Glass, and the 1942 Wannsee Conference at which German leaders discussed the "final solution to the Jewish question in Europe."

At a dinner Wednesday, Mr. Kantor talked of the need to pass on personal recollections of the Holocaust, not just statistics or historical accounts. As an example, he told of meeting an elderly woman during a visit to the Birkenau camp several years ago. She remarked to him that the camp looked different when she was interned there because there was no grass then; starving prisoners had eaten it all.




New York Times

We must never forget.
 
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very sad!, even sadder older relatives of mine deny that the holocaust even happened! , I'm of german decendancy, some of my deceased relatives were in the german armed forces during WW2. despite their claims, I still find this very horrifying.
 
What does the author of this article mean by that:

"The commemoration means different things to each nation: for Russia it is a commemoration of its often-overlooked role as liberator, while for Poland and other Central European countries it is both part of a gradual recognition of their complicity in the killing and an opportunity to draw closer to Europe. Poland and several other former Soviet bloc countries joined the European Union last year and the rest are waiting to join."

Complicity of Poland and other Central Europen counties in the killing?
If I'm reading it correctly then that's totally false 🙁 Is this the "polish concentration camps" misinformation again?
Tens of thousends of Poles of non-Jewish origin died in Auschwitz as well. It's true the camps were built by forced prisoners but how does that constitute complicity?
 
Let us hope that people will never forget what happened, and that people will think twice before supporting anything like what the Nazi's did.

A forum on Thursday, sponsored by the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Israel and the European Jewish Congress, will seek commitments from European leaders to institutionalize the teaching of the Holocaust, drawing on educational programs and materials developed by Yad Vashem.

And this is one way to do it.
 
Originally posted by: Wiktor
What does the author of this article mean by that:

"The commemoration means different things to each nation: for Russia it is a commemoration of its often-overlooked role as liberator, while for Poland and other Central European countries it is both part of a gradual recognition of their complicity in the killing and an opportunity to draw closer to Europe. Poland and several other former Soviet bloc countries joined the European Union last year and the rest are waiting to join."

Complicity of Poland and other Central Europen counties in the killing?
If I'm reading it correctly then that's totally false 🙁 Is this the "polish concentration camps" misinformation again?
Tens of thousends of Poles of non-Jewish origin died in Auschwitz as well. It's true the camps were built by forced prisoners but how does that constitute complicity?

There are indications that some Poles participated in the rounding up of Jews, at least to the extent of pointing them out to the Germans as they conducted their pogroms. I think it goes to that oft-repeated quote, "First they came for the XX, and I did nothing...then they came for me, and there was no one left" (very, very poor paraphrasing).

Auschwitz and Birkenau are extremely sad and overwhelming places. I visited 11 years ago, and I still remember Birkenau vividly, especially seeing the ash colored dirt near the holding pond in the back.
 
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: Wiktor
What does the author of this article mean by that:

"The commemoration means different things to each nation: for Russia it is a commemoration of its often-overlooked role as liberator, while for Poland and other Central European countries it is both part of a gradual recognition of their complicity in the killing and an opportunity to draw closer to Europe. Poland and several other former Soviet bloc countries joined the European Union last year and the rest are waiting to join."

Complicity of Poland and other Central Europen counties in the killing?
If I'm reading it correctly then that's totally false 🙁 Is this the "polish concentration camps" misinformation again?
Tens of thousends of Poles of non-Jewish origin died in Auschwitz as well. It's true the camps were built by forced prisoners but how does that constitute complicity?

There are indications that some Poles participated in the rounding up of Jews, at least to the extent of pointing them out to the Germans as they conducted their pogroms. I think it goes to that oft-repeated quote, "First they came for the XX, and I did nothing...then they came for me, and there was no one left" (very, very poor paraphrasing).

Auschwitz and Birkenau are extremely sad and overwhelming places. I visited 11 years ago, and I still remember Birkenau vividly, especially seeing the ash colored dirt near the holding pond in the back.

How about the Jewish Poles who helped to round up other Jewish Poles? (Have you watched ?The Pianist??) How about Jewish Poles who ratted out Christian Poles (who were hiding them in their own homes) after being caught by SS? My friend?s grandfather saw it with his own eyes.

Of course there were ?bad? Christian Poles, but there were ?bad? Jewish Poles as well. People of all nationalities but also of all religions collaborated with Nazis. Too bad the article didn?t mention that.

rose.gif
to the victims
 
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: Wiktor
What does the author of this article mean by that:

"The commemoration means different things to each nation: for Russia it is a commemoration of its often-overlooked role as liberator, while for Poland and other Central European countries it is both part of a gradual recognition of their complicity in the killing and an opportunity to draw closer to Europe. Poland and several other former Soviet bloc countries joined the European Union last year and the rest are waiting to join."

Complicity of Poland and other Central Europen counties in the killing?
If I'm reading it correctly then that's totally false 🙁 Is this the "polish concentration camps" misinformation again?
Tens of thousends of Poles of non-Jewish origin died in Auschwitz as well. It's true the camps were built by forced prisoners but how does that constitute complicity?

There are indications that some Poles participated in the rounding up of Jews, at least to the extent of pointing them out to the Germans as they conducted their pogroms. I think it goes to that oft-repeated quote, "First they came for the XX, and I did nothing...then they came for me, and there was no one left" (very, very poor paraphrasing).

Auschwitz and Birkenau are extremely sad and overwhelming places. I visited 11 years ago, and I still remember Birkenau vividly, especially seeing the ash colored dirt near the holding pond in the back.

How about the Jewish Poles who helped to round up other Jewish Poles? (Have you watched ?The Pianist??) How about Jewish Poles who ratted out Christian Poles (who were hiding them in their own homes) after being caught by SS? My friend?s grandfather saw it with his own eyes.

Of course there were ?bad? Christian Poles, but there were ?bad? Jewish Poles as well. People of all nationalities but also of all religions collaborated with Nazis. Too bad the article didn?t mention that.

rose.gif
to the victims

Another chance to bash the Jews. This thread was not meant for that, it was to look back and remember those that died. But **sigh**
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: Wiktor
What does the author of this article mean by that:

"The commemoration means different things to each nation: for Russia it is a commemoration of its often-overlooked role as liberator, while for Poland and other Central European countries it is both part of a gradual recognition of their complicity in the killing and an opportunity to draw closer to Europe. Poland and several other former Soviet bloc countries joined the European Union last year and the rest are waiting to join."

Complicity of Poland and other Central Europen counties in the killing?
If I'm reading it correctly then that's totally false 🙁 Is this the "polish concentration camps" misinformation again?
Tens of thousends of Poles of non-Jewish origin died in Auschwitz as well. It's true the camps were built by forced prisoners but how does that constitute complicity?

There are indications that some Poles participated in the rounding up of Jews, at least to the extent of pointing them out to the Germans as they conducted their pogroms. I think it goes to that oft-repeated quote, "First they came for the XX, and I did nothing...then they came for me, and there was no one left" (very, very poor paraphrasing).

Auschwitz and Birkenau are extremely sad and overwhelming places. I visited 11 years ago, and I still remember Birkenau vividly, especially seeing the ash colored dirt near the holding pond in the back.

How about the Jewish Poles who helped to round up other Jewish Poles? (Have you watched ?The Pianist??) How about Jewish Poles who ratted out Christian Poles (who were hiding them in their own homes) after being caught by SS? My friend?s grandfather saw it with his own eyes.

Of course there were ?bad? Christian Poles, but there were ?bad? Jewish Poles as well. People of all nationalities but also of all religions collaborated with Nazis. Too bad the article didn?t mention that.

rose.gif
to the victims

Another chance to bash the Jews. This thread was not meant for that, it was to look back and remember those that died. But **sigh**

I don't see anything different from what he just did to what you do in Muslim threads. "yawn"
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: Wiktor
What does the author of this article mean by that:

"The commemoration means different things to each nation: for Russia it is a commemoration of its often-overlooked role as liberator, while for Poland and other Central European countries it is both part of a gradual recognition of their complicity in the killing and an opportunity to draw closer to Europe. Poland and several other former Soviet bloc countries joined the European Union last year and the rest are waiting to join."

Complicity of Poland and other Central Europen counties in the killing?
If I'm reading it correctly then that's totally false 🙁 Is this the "polish concentration camps" misinformation again?
Tens of thousends of Poles of non-Jewish origin died in Auschwitz as well. It's true the camps were built by forced prisoners but how does that constitute complicity?

There are indications that some Poles participated in the rounding up of Jews, at least to the extent of pointing them out to the Germans as they conducted their pogroms. I think it goes to that oft-repeated quote, "First they came for the XX, and I did nothing...then they came for me, and there was no one left" (very, very poor paraphrasing).

Auschwitz and Birkenau are extremely sad and overwhelming places. I visited 11 years ago, and I still remember Birkenau vividly, especially seeing the ash colored dirt near the holding pond in the back.

How about the Jewish Poles who helped to round up other Jewish Poles? (Have you watched ?The Pianist??) How about Jewish Poles who ratted out Christian Poles (who were hiding them in their own homes) after being caught by SS? My friend?s grandfather saw it with his own eyes.

Of course there were ?bad? Christian Poles, but there were ?bad? Jewish Poles as well. People of all nationalities but also of all religions collaborated with Nazis. Too bad the article didn?t mention that.

rose.gif
to the victims

Another chance to bash the Jews. This thread was not meant for that, it was to look back and remember those that died. But **sigh**

I don't see anything different from what he just did to what you do in Muslim threads. "yawn"

Please go away.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: Wiktor
What does the author of this article mean by that:

"The commemoration means different things to each nation: for Russia it is a commemoration of its often-overlooked role as liberator, while for Poland and other Central European countries it is both part of a gradual recognition of their complicity in the killing and an opportunity to draw closer to Europe. Poland and several other former Soviet bloc countries joined the European Union last year and the rest are waiting to join."

Complicity of Poland and other Central Europen counties in the killing?
If I'm reading it correctly then that's totally false 🙁 Is this the "polish concentration camps" misinformation again?
Tens of thousends of Poles of non-Jewish origin died in Auschwitz as well. It's true the camps were built by forced prisoners but how does that constitute complicity?

There are indications that some Poles participated in the rounding up of Jews, at least to the extent of pointing them out to the Germans as they conducted their pogroms. I think it goes to that oft-repeated quote, "First they came for the XX, and I did nothing...then they came for me, and there was no one left" (very, very poor paraphrasing).

Auschwitz and Birkenau are extremely sad and overwhelming places. I visited 11 years ago, and I still remember Birkenau vividly, especially seeing the ash colored dirt near the holding pond in the back.

How about the Jewish Poles who helped to round up other Jewish Poles? (Have you watched ?The Pianist??) How about Jewish Poles who ratted out Christian Poles (who were hiding them in their own homes) after being caught by SS? My friend?s grandfather saw it with his own eyes.

Of course there were ?bad? Christian Poles, but there were ?bad? Jewish Poles as well. People of all nationalities but also of all religions collaborated with Nazis. Too bad the article didn?t mention that.

rose.gif
to the victims

Another chance to bash the Jews. This thread was not meant for that, it was to look back and remember those that died. But **sigh**

I don't see anything different from what he just did to what you do in Muslim threads. "yawn"

Please go away.

Because I stated the obvious?
 
Guys remember. Stay on topic, talk about the holocaust and remember what led up to that event and so on. This is not a flame thread. Please have some respect for the dead. I'm not even going to reply to the troll who just decided to start a flame fest.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Guys remember. Stay on topic, talk about the holocaust and remember what led up to that event and so on. This is not a flame thread. Please have some respect for the dead. I'm not even going to reply to the troll who just decided to start a flame fest.

The problem is you are only censoring people you disagree with, so you have no real credibility. If this is a memorial thread, then don't allow anyone to say anything political-- even if you agree with them. But you're not doing that. And after all this is POLITICS&N.
 
It's sad to see that nowadays many European nations have forgotten the lessons of the Holocaust. Hopefully this will remind them.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Guys remember. Stay on topic, talk about the holocaust and remember what led up to that event and so on. This is not a flame thread. Please have some respect for the dead. I'm not even going to reply to the troll who just decided to start a flame fest.

You can't reply to me because you know damn well I am right. How is anyone being disrespectful to the dead. It is an Internet forum and not to mention P&N. This is not a memorial service.

If you don't want people to go all over your threads, then maybe you shouldn't do what you don't want them to.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Aimster
This is not a memorial service.

And even if it were, you can't use a memorial thead to make snipes about certain people and then grievances with others.

PLEASE STOP YOUR DAMN TROLLING

I haven't trolled. You're only calling me a troll because I've called you out on your double-standard and faux-indignity. And you're the one using caps. 😉 I highly recommend you PM me for the sake of your thread if you have any further complaints.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
The Auschwitz Album

In the near future, all of the survivors will be gone.

Normally, history would go in different directions after the aforementioned, with the actual events of the holocaust being interpreted by different historians as different events.


We have pictures now.



Perhaps, history will be forever changed.
 
Another ceremony? They must have like 10 per day*365 days per year. I wonder how long they can milk this? Lets not forget that Armenians were the victims of a genocide by the Turks in 1915.

If ignorance was a bannable offence you'd be gone!
 
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