Workplace implanted chips

[brainhulk]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/microchip...nightmare-153805161--abc-news-topstories.html

"The reality is, it’s coming and it’s coming soon," McMullan told ABC News. "And I think you’re going to see a whole new wave of people who are wanting to get into this.”

No thanks, they'll know I take too many breaks...

 

[Yakk]

I can only see this as inevitable. Some places may take longer to implement, but it'll get everywhere.

Why? Labour is one of the biggest, usually The biggest, expense for a company. It only makes sense for a company to be able to track their costs, especially if people are one of their biggest costs. Makes it one step easier than tracking people's Facebook & Linkin pages, which HR already do.

Yeah, I don't envy the next generation at all with this coming.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Three Square Market says the chips are less invasive than mobile phones and apps, which it says are rich with all types of GPS tracking data.

Because it's not theirs?

 

[purbeast0]

Sounds similar to this movie I watched last weekend...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1082807

 

[Anubis]

we already have to badge in and out of every building/lab we have access to, takes an act of congress to pull the logs from the readers, any work place that uses badges can do the same thing.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Very similar is the recent story about people with toll pass devices being pinged while in NYC streets. Even if the intentions are pure, the systems could definitely be abused in the future by law enforcement or hackers... I'm actually for the use of this kind of technology for law enforcement, as long as they are targeting actual criminals. The problem though comes back to ethics and the fact that there are enough unethical people in the world that they seriously need a higher power overseeing everything they do.

If you've been to Disney World in the past few years, they're doing the same thing using the magic bands....If you have a simple ticket, it's passive RF cards. The Magic Bands are battery-powered and have greater range...they open hotel room doors, can charge items to your hotel room, and can be linked with park tickets and photos they take of you in the parks... I would assume they have long-range readers that can do rough counts on how many guests are in a particular part of the park. On some rides, they take your picture and know automatically who was in the picture based on the magic bands. It's pretty cool.

They were using similar technology at the Super Bowl a few years ago with tags placed on jerseys....then tracked player speed and position on the field using a reader from above the field.

Honestly though, I'm assuming these RFID chips simply have an encoded number on them. As long as the number is local to their DB, no one else could really use it for anything if they happen to read it....unless they know how to cross reference the number to the person....or track how many times they see the same number in an area using a reader.... Also, these are likely full-passive RFID chips, so they don't broadcast or "wake up" when pinged. You may have to be within 6" to read the signal. The technology is going to evolve and change....but there's not much difference between this chip versus a card, except for the fact that it's injected in you, rather than in your wallet. Eventually, when readers become more advanced and more data can be stored on the chip, things could get messy. Hopefully the feds won't soon start injecting babies with chips and selecting what jobs people are going to do when they're born....it'd be like that Ayn Rand novel.

 

[gorcorps]

I can only see this as inevitable. Some places may take longer to implement, but it'll get everywhere.

Why? Labour is one of the biggest, usually The biggest, expense for a company. It only makes sense for a company to be able to track their costs, especially if people are one of their biggest costs. Makes it one step easier than tracking people's Facebook & Linkin pages, which HR already do.

Yeah, I don't envy the next generation at all with this coming.

I'm not so sure, because the mindset of tracking cost like this is one of an older generation, and by the time this is "ready" for mass use I don't know if the mindset of companies will be as invasive as they are right now. I'm sure plenty of them would use them if they could, but I forsee plenty of companies saying "we don't use chips!" as an edge to make them more appealing to work for.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I would totally go for it if they installed RFID readers on the toilets so the automatic flushers don't go off when you're still sitting there.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Very similar is the recent story about people with toll pass devices being pinged while in NYC streets. Even if the intentions are pure, the systems could definitely be abused in the future by law enforcement or hackers... I'm actually for the use of this kind of technology for law enforcement, as long as they are targeting actual criminals. The problem though comes back to ethics and the fact that there are enough unethical people in the world that they seriously need a higher power overseeing everything they do.

If you've been to Disney World in the past few years, they're doing the same thing using the magic bands....If you have a simple ticket, it's passive RF cards. The Magic Bands are battery-powered and have greater range...they open hotel room doors, can charge items to your hotel room, and can be linked with park tickets and photos they take of you in the parks... I would assume they have long-range readers that can do rough counts on how many guests are in a particular part of the park. On some rides, they take your picture and know automatically who was in the picture based on the magic bands. It's pretty cool.

They were using similar technology at the Super Bowl a few years ago with tags placed on jerseys....then tracked player speed and position on the field using a reader from above the field.

Honestly though, I'm assuming these RFID chips simply have an encoded number on them. As long as the number is local to their DB, no one else could really use it for anything if they happen to read it....unless they know how to cross reference the number to the person....or track how many times they see the same number in an area using a reader.... Also, these are likely full-passive RFID chips, so they don't broadcast or "wake up" when pinged. You may have to be within 6" to read the signal. The technology is going to evolve and change....but there's not much difference between this chip versus a card, except for the fact that it's injected in you, rather than in your wallet. Eventually, when readers become more advanced and more data can be stored on the chip, things could get messy. Hopefully the feds won't soon start injecting babies with chips and selecting what jobs people are going to do when they're born....it'd be like that Ayn Rand novel.

It's never been about the technology, it's how it can be misused right now in it's current form.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Sorry but no. Not interested. I am sure all the snapchat facebook monkeys will be all over it because it will make life 'easier' and tie into their apps so everyone in the world knows exactly where they are and when they are taking a shit w/o having to update their status.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Very similar is the recent story about people with toll pass devices being pinged while in NYC streets. Even if the intentions are pure, the systems could definitely be abused in the future by law enforcement or hackers... I'm actually for the use of this kind of technology for law enforcement, as long as they are targeting actual criminals. The problem though comes back to ethics and the fact that there are enough unethical people in the world that they seriously need a higher power overseeing everything they do.

There isn't a single law in place that hasn't been abused at some point. That is why people should be really making them fight to implement ANY new law no matter how emotional the subject matter is. And higher powers don't help because they themselves use their power to their own means.

 

[Yakk]

I'm not so sure, because the mindset of tracking cost like this is one of an older generation, and by the time this is "ready" for mass use I don't know if the mindset of companies will be as invasive as they are right now. I'm sure plenty of them would use them if they could, but I forsee plenty of companies saying "we don't use chips!" as an edge to make them more appealing to work for.

I see a couple scenarios unfolding. The first is people will just get used to it, just like work badges. Albeit these are a lot more invasive, but Facebook has proven invasive is ok.

The second scenario is that it will be introduced in cycles, meaning it will come and go for a cycle or 2 if there's resistance, but on the 3rd cycle it stays once people get used to the idea. This is a longer 5-10 year plan.

From a management perspective it's always about making people think it's "better" and eventually the new normal so they get onboard with the idea by themselves without any authority being applied.

 

[brianmanahan]

i say bring it on!

i wanna see how dystopian things can get before i die in a decade or two or five

 

[Exterous]

Yeah no thanks. What happens when they leave work for the day? Does the tracking stop? I feel like removing it when leaving the company could also be problematic

 

[Craig234]

Here's how these things are likely to become universal:

- There are benefits to powerful interests. That will keep the pressure on to do it. They range from employers to society. The only downside is the valuing of a sense of 'freedom' which can be overcome.

- Here are stages:

-- voluntary adoption, promise no retribution for refusal, to prevent organized opposition
-- study employee decisions, offer whatever incentives are effective to increase adoption
-- over time, more and more employees accept benefits
-- gradually introduce preferential treatment for employees who accept chips
-- as adoption is a large majority, make chips mandatory for a small group at first and eventually everyone - you don't have a 'right to employment' if you refuse. There will be a manageable cost of replacing a small number of employees who refuse one time.
-- parallel program by government for citizens for 'standardization, efficiency, cost reduction to employers'
-- incentives followed by legally mandated - just as 'select service registration' is a legal obligation
-- Integrated into standard procedures - delivery rooms implant, police routinely check for chip and arrest if it's not there
-- PR campaign to sell people on the benefits of the program - conveniences, fraud reduction, crime reduction, identifying loved ones, etc.
-- Promote it further by demonizing cases - preferably where terrorists benefit - without the chips and praising the chips as 'modernization'.\
-- Appeal to anti-immigrant sentiments saying how it helps catch anyone undocumented, as well as various criminals.


Opposition can exist, but it'll just be on the long list of such issues overcome by 'interests' from net neutrality to opposing voter suppression

 

[dullard]

I would totally go for it if they installed RFID readers on the toilets so the automatic flushers don't go off when you're still sitting there.

Hang toilet paper over the sensor. It works on almost all auto-flushers that I've seen. Also, wouldn't a pressure switch be far less intrusive? Pressure on the seat over say 2 kg == do not flush.

Unrelated: My toilet dream is a large bar right in front of the toilet at about chest height. The bar is connected to the seat. There is a pivot on that mechanism so you can pull the bar up to pull the seat up. If for some god-forsaken reason you have chosen to stand in front of the seat, you would be either very uncomfortable or hopefully you push the bar up (which automatically forces the seat up before you soak it). That should reduce disgusting toilet issues by maybe 50%.

 

[BudAshes]

I will definitely need to be installing these in all my minions.

 

[Paratus]

This is a great idea. After tagging everyone the company can feed them like I do my overweight cat - with an automatic RFID cat bowl!

 

[whm1974]

Here's how these things are likely to become universal:

- There are benefits to powerful interests. That will keep the pressure on to do it. They range from employers to society. The only downside is the valuing of a sense of 'freedom' which can be overcome.

- Here are stages:

-- voluntary adoption, promise no retribution for refusal, to prevent organized opposition
-- study employee decisions, offer whatever incentives are effective to increase adoption
-- over time, more and more employees accept benefits
-- gradually introduce preferential treatment for employees who accept chips
-- as adoption is a large majority, make chips mandatory for a small group at first and eventually everyone - you don't have a 'right to employment' if you refuse. There will be a manageable cost of replacing a small number of employees who refuse one time.
-- parallel program by government for citizens for 'standardization, efficiency, cost reduction to employers'
-- incentives followed by legally mandated - just as 'select service registration' is a legal obligation
-- Integrated into standard procedures - delivery rooms implant, police routinely check for chip and arrest if it's not there
-- PR campaign to sell people on the benefits of the program - conveniences, fraud reduction, crime reduction, identifying loved ones, etc.
-- Promote it further by demonizing cases - preferably where terrorists benefit - without the chips and praising the chips as 'modernization'.\
-- Appeal to anti-immigrant sentiments saying how it helps catch anyone undocumented, as well as various criminals.


Opposition can exist, but it'll just be on the long list of such issues overcome by 'interests' from net neutrality to opposing voter suppression

I bet you a few states will make this illegal or make an effort to do so real soon.

 

[Craig234]

I bet you a few states will make this illegal or make an effort to do so real soon.

I think you underestimate who runs the states. There will be some early resistance, just like there was to things like media monopolies.

The states have a lot to gain from this also in the long run.

They'll see all the benefits from crime to cost reductions freeing money for other things and the pressures from the businesses.

It's hard to see states banning businesses from starting this voluntary program.

 

[mrblotto]

Hang toilet paper over the sensor. It works on almost all auto-flushers that I've seen. Also, wouldn't a pressure switch be far less intrusive? Pressure on the seat over say 2 kg == do not flush.

Unrelated: My toilet dream is a large bar right in front of the toilet at about chest height. The bar is connected to the seat. There is a pivot on that mechanism so you can pull the bar up to pull the seat up. If for some god-forsaken reason you have chosen to stand in front of the seat, you would be either very uncomfortable or hopefully you push the bar up (which automatically forces the seat up before you soak it). That should reduce disgusting toilet issues by maybe 50%.

 

[gorcorps]

This is a great idea. After tagging everyone the company can feed them like I do my overweight cat - with an automatic RFID cat bowl!

I bought one of those too. But that was to keep the fat cat OUT of the little cats food (little cat likes to graze through the day while fat-ass horks down whatever is in his bowl in a matter of seconds). Works pretty well, but I wish it had an AC adapter option (battery only is dumb IMO).

 

[gorcorps]

Yeah no thanks. What happens when they leave work for the day? Does the tracking stop? I feel like removing it when leaving the company could also be problematic

You either didn't read the article, or don't understand RFID. It's not a GPS enabled device that's tracking your every move. It's a ID... like a swipe badge or a credit card. You need readers installed for it to do anything, and those readers need to be networked in some way to know what to do (ie: door reader needs to know that your tag is approved to open the door). It's like getting a barcode tattooed on you that you have to scan to enter buildings and shit.

Seriously though, I see this as more being a government thing and not a company thing. Like a career chip from futurama, except it can do a lot more. It could be tied into your house security, tied into your vehicle so you don't even need a keyfob anymore, eliminate physical credit cards when you can just scan yourself, etc... It's basically your social security number, on a chip, inside of you. The possibilities are endless, and that's exactly how they're going to sucker so many of us into doing it. The idea of "simplification"... I need to stop, I think I just got an idea for a novel

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

"Hey Bill, we saw you left work yesterday at Widgets A, but today we noticed on your vacation/PTO day you were for some reason at Widgets B. Do you care to explain why you were at the competitors site on your day off?"

 

[BD231]

*punches someoneonesmind1 in the face*