working overtime

fLum0x

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to make a long story short, i am required by contract to work 40 hours a week and i am salary. I get a quarterly bonus, although it does not compensate for overtime. Recently, it has come to my attention that starting monday for 3-4 weeks they are requiring 72 hour work weeks. Now, some of this is due to the mistakes the department has made and some due to customer demands. Meanwhile, we do not and i have been told will not see a dime of this money after a few 72 hours weeks. Basically, we are doing charity work and not getting recognized. Do you think this is right? If yes, how so? If no, what would you do about this issue?

The only real answer i have thought of that would make me happy is going hourly. Anyways, give me your advice and what you would do please. dankee.
 

Kyle

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clearly it's illegal to make you work that much and not pay you more.
talk to a lawyer or go read about labor laws....and then get a lawyer =)
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Kyle
clearly it's illegal to make you work that much and not pay you more.
talk to a lawyer or go read about labor laws....and then get a lawyer =)

salary

OP, read your contract, what does it say about overtime?
 

dxkj

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Nah, you dont have to, you could just quit.

Otherwise, if you are salary, they are not obligated to pay you extra if you were told that some overtime might be required
 

fLum0x

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well, the question is then...

you wait until this whole thing is over and then wait until the next quarterly bonus or 6 months or some period of time. Then do you confront a supervisor or someone above him/her even? Obviously, I dont want to make myself look like a greedy whore to them. I do like my job a lot and i would definitely work more hours if they just paid normal pay or 1.5x like most other overtime.
 

BoomerD

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Depending on the law of the state you are in, and whatever employment contract you nay have signed, being a salaried employee can entitle the company to work you those kind of hours with no extra compensation.
Do they dock you if you take a day off? Maybe doctor's appt or something like that? If so, you have a b!tch, if not, what comes around, goes around...Check the state lavor commision (or whatever passes as such where you are at) for the law on salaried employees. SOME states only allow you to work something like 45 hours with no extra pay, others, the sky's the limit...
 

fLum0x

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Originally posted by: dxkj
Nah, you dont have to, you could just quit.

Otherwise, if you are salary, they are not obligated to pay you extra if you were told that some overtime might be required


so if they say anything about working overtime, it basically makes me bend over...?
 

Zee

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Originally posted by: fLum0x
Originally posted by: dxkj
Nah, you dont have to, you could just quit.

Otherwise, if you are salary, they are not obligated to pay you extra if you were told that some overtime might be required


so if they say anything about working overtime, it basically makes me bend over...?

salary is evil like that unless you are the head of a company. You can work alot... or as little as you like. it's a 1 or 0 situation.
 

fLum0x

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Depending on the law of the state you are in, and whatever employment contract you nay have signed, being a salaried employee can entitle the company to work you those kind of hours with no extra compensation.
Do they dock you if you take a day off? Maybe doctor's appt or something like that? If so, you have a b!tch, if not, what comes around, goes around...Check the state lavor commision (or whatever passes as such where you are at) for the law on salaried employees. SOME states only allow you to work something like 45 hours with no extra pay, others, the sky's the limit...

i work in the state of indiana first of all.

secondly, yes i have to take PTO for anything i do during those hours. I have also been informed that i will not be able to use all of my PTO before the year ends. Which is basically use it or lose it method. I have 6 days left and i have about a month to use them and they will not approve of them during these 3-4 weeks of extensive overtime.
 

fLum0x

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Kyle
clearly it's illegal to make you work that much and not pay you more.
talk to a lawyer or go read about labor laws....and then get a lawyer =)

salary

OP, read your contract, what does it say about overtime?


err, cant find it at this point in time. pretty sure it is at work.
 

BoomerD

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The Kahleeforneeya Labor code says:

"510. (a) Eight hours of labor constitutes a day's work. Any work
in excess of eight hours in one workday and any work in excess of 40
hours in any one workweek and the first eight hours worked on the
seventh day of work in any one workweek shall be compensated at the
rate of no less than one and one-half times the regular rate of pay
for an employee. Any work in excess of 12 hours in one day shall be
compensated at the rate of no less than twice the regular rate of pay
for an employee. In addition, any work in excess of eight hours on
any seventh day of a workweek shall be compensated at the rate of no
less than twice the regular rate of pay of an employee. Nothing in
this section requires an employer to combine more than one rate of
overtime compensation in order to calculate the amount to be paid to
an employee for any hour of overtime work. The requirements of this
section do not apply to the payment of overtime compensation to an
employee working pursuant to any of the following:
(1) An alternative workweek schedule adopted pursuant to Section
511.
(2) An alternative workweek schedule adopted pursuant to a
collective bargaining agreement pursuant to Section 514.
(3) An alternative workweek schedule to which this chapter is
inapplicable pursuant to Section 554.
(b) Time spent commuting to and from the first place at which an
employee's presence is required by the employer shall not be
considered to be a part of a day's work, when the employee commutes
in a vehicle that is owned, leased, or subsidized by the employer and
is used for the purpose of ridesharing, as defined in Section 522 of
the Vehicle Code.
(c) This section does not affect, change, or limit an employer's
liability under the workers' compensation law."



"515.5. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), an employee in
the computer software field shall be exempt from the requirement that
an overtime rate of compensation be paid pursuant to Section 510 if
all of the following apply:
(1) The employee is primarily engaged in work that is intellectual
or creative and that requires the exercise of discretion and
independent judgment.
(2) The employee is primarily engaged in duties that consist of
one or more of the following:
(A) The application of systems analysis techniques and procedures,
including consulting with users, to determine hardware, software, or
system functional specifications.
(B) The design, development, documentation, analysis, creation,
testing, or modification of computer systems or programs, including
prototypes, based on and related to user or system design
specifications.
(C) The documentation, testing, creation, or modification of
computer programs related to the design of software or hardware for
computer operating systems.
(3) The employee is highly skilled and is proficient in the
theoretical and practical application of highly specialized
information to computer systems analysis, programming, and software
engineering. A job title shall not be determinative of the
applicability of this exemption.
(4) The employee's hourly rate of pay is not less than forty-one
dollars ($41.00), or the annualized full-time salary equivalent of
that rate, provided that all other requirements of this section are
met and that in each workweek the employee receives not less than
forty-one dollars ($41.00) per hour worked. The Division of Labor
Statistics and Research shall adjust this pay rate on October 1 of
each year to be effective on January 1 of the following year by an
amount equal to the percentage increase in the California Consumer
Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers.
(b) The exemption provided in subdivision (a) does not apply to an
employee if any of the following apply:
(1) The employee is a trainee or employee in an entry-level
position who is learning to become proficient in the theoretical and
practical application of highly specialized information to computer
systems analysis, programming, and software engineering.
(2) The employee is in a computer-related occupation but has not
attained the level of skill and expertise necessary to work
independently and without close supervision.
(3) The employee is engaged in the operation of computers or in
the manufacture, repair, or maintenance of computer hardware and
related equipment.
(4) The employee is an engineer, drafter, machinist, or other
professional whose work is highly dependent upon or facilitated by
the use of computers and computer software programs and who is
skilled in computer-aided design software, including CAD/CAM, but who
is not in a computer systems analysis or programming occupation.
(5) The employee is a writer engaged in writing material,
including box labels, product descriptions, documentation,
promotional material, setup and installation instructions, and other
similar written information, either for print or for onscreen media
or who writes or provides content material intended to be read by
customers, subscribers, or visitors to computer-related media such as
the World Wide Web or CD-ROMs.
(6) The employee is engaged in any of the activities set forth in
subdivision (a) for the purpose of creating imagery for effects used
in the motion picture, television, or theatrical industry."


 

Nik

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Kyle
clearly it's illegal to make you work that much and not pay you more.
talk to a lawyer or go read about labor laws....and then get a lawyer =)

salary

OP, read your contract, what does it say about overtime?

There are two different kinds of salary status. Exempt and non-Exempt. While I don't remember which one is which, one of them allows you to work as little or as much as you want without a change in pay, but you must either be an officer of the company or you must have two subordinates. The other is still called salary, but you receive pay based on how much or how little you work.

Anyway, fLum0x, speak with someone in Human Resources to find out exactly what you are and then act accordingly. If you're going to keep working for a company that refuses to pay you beyond what they've offered and you've agreed to, that's not a big surprise. If they're paying you unfairly, that's something different. If you're being a demanding, greedy little sh|t, that's a whole nother something. ;)
 

Kyle

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Kyle
clearly it's illegal to make you work that much and not pay you more.
talk to a lawyer or go read about labor laws....and then get a lawyer =)

salary

OP, read your contract, what does it say about overtime?

I understand that he is paid salary....
I guess I should have elaborated more, or thought more before I replyed...one or the other =)

Either way, I find it hard to believe your contract says you may have to work 74hrs a week, that's a bit excessive...
 

Kyle

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Originally posted by: GuideBot
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Kyle
clearly it's illegal to make you work that much and not pay you more.
talk to a lawyer or go read about labor laws....and then get a lawyer =)

salary

OP, read your contract, what does it say about overtime?

There are two different kinds of salary status. Exempt and non-Exempt. While I don't remember which one is which, one of them allows you to work as little or as much as you want without a change in pay, but you must either be an officer of the company or you must have two subordinates. The other is still called salary, but you receive pay based on how much or how little you work.

Anyway, fLum0x, speak with someone in Human Resources to find out exactly what you are and then act accordingly. If you're going to keep working for a company that refuses to pay you beyond what they've offered and you've agreed to, that's not a big surprise. If they're paying you unfairly, that's something different. If you're being a demanding, greedy little sh|t, that's a whole nother something. ;)


Honestly I don't have any experience with salary work, however I know with SSA (gov't work) they are "salary" employees, but when they work overtime they get paid extra...
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: Kyle
Honestly I don't have any experience with salary work, however I know with SSA (gov't work) they are "salary" employees, but when they work overtime they get paid extra...

Yup. :)
 

Cdubneeddeal

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I'm exempt and on salary. For anything over 45 hours I get paid my regular wage plus $5.00 more an hour. Still getting jacked. If I was non-exempt I would get four dollars more an hour or so.

As far as overtime is concerned. My company is a mandatory overtime facility. When hired, my employees are told right off the bat that mandatory overtime may be iniated, and I had to do it last week. Just 20 hours of OT however. The overtime that you'll be working is very excessive. When overtime like that is mandatory there is something wrong with the company. That much overtime shouldn't be required from a company that should be organized.

In your case, I don't know what I would do. That much overtime being exempt would kill me.
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: dxkj
72 hours is killer man, thats 10 hours a day 7 days a week, or 14 hours a day 5 days a week

10 * 7 = 70

14 * 5 = 70

:confused:
 

ZOXXO

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Originally posted by: fLum0xI get a quarterly bonus, although it does not compensate for overtime.

Do the hourly employees get a quarterly bonus?

What does your quarterly bonus compensate for?
 

Compton

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Originally posted by: fLum0x
Originally posted by: dxkj
Originally posted by: preslove
Quit.

72 hours is killer man, thats 10 hours a day 7 days a week, or 14 hours a day 5 days a week


6 days @ 12 hours

I was salaried and I worked 6 days a week @ 12 hours/day for a year. I would never do it again. I say quit if you can find another job.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Welcome to the New America

Enjoy

I still can't figure out why you don't just move to one of the other great countries since you hate your country so much.

Oh yeah, you're just trolling as usual. :roll: You don't even put much effort into it.