You'd be surprised how much you'll have to hold back your tongue when you consult (due to risk management). I fucking hated dealing with our PWC tax peeps because they absofuckalutely refused to ever talk straight nor take a damn position. We'd basically pay them $25k only to get the most conservative stance. We were recently acquired, and our parent co's internal tax dept is much more aggressive in their stances (obviously).
Tax is tax, I'd take the firm (DT, EY, PWC, NO KPMG) that pays the most money OR with the people you get along most with.
amish
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that is the fucking funniest thing i've read yet. your auditors must suck.
granted this is not from first hand experience at KPMG, but i've heard that on audits a physical binder is taken to the client. they haven't embraced a paperless workplace and moved on to using an electronic binder.
to the OP. take the job if you liked your experience and listen to what the others are saying. great advice.
Svnla
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It is a great salary for new grads in Southern states here <TX, LA, AR> but I thought in high cost living areas like SF, NYC , ect. the offer would be higher.
OP, do you have other offers? Rember the old saying...$1 may not be much but it is better than $0. If you don't, then take this one and stick with it for a while for experience and name <Big 4 name never hurt> and move on a few years later.
Oh, and make sure you can live with that salary in SF.
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Yes, definitely! I think my best bet (in terms of living cost) is to live out of the city and use public transportation (BART) to get there. This is what I did and saved me some money compared to either living there or driving. I might stay at my dad's for a year or so. Cheaper rent....lol
I wouldn't know about that aspect of it, I'm not on the audit side. Different firms embrace technology at different paces so it wouldn't surprise me if there's a differential.
Does that 15 day number include all PTO or just vacation time? If that's inclusive of sick time, other general "personal" time, I'd balk. Those of us in the game put in our hours but that should come with good personal time.
Capt Caveman
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onlyCOpunk
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You have very bad info. In 2004 Big 4 starting pay was $41k, then by 2007 went to $50k. No way in hell it's $70k.
Mostly the fact that they aren't paperless (or rather weren't paperless when I was recruited, which showed tone at management was that they didn't embrace technology) and secondly all of the KPMG people I've met weren't that bright. In general they have the worst reputation out of the big 4.
Associate after two or three years, start taking on more project management responsibilities and client interaction. Salary highly depends on the firm, location, prior experience, and performance ratings. I'd say anywhere from upper $50s to upper $70s.
Typical path for big 4: two years as an associate, two to three years as a senior associate, three years as a manager, three or so years as a sr. manager, x years as a director, and eternity as a partner.
In reality I don't know many partners that stayed with one firm their whole career so that time line can get stretched out a lot once people start switching companies.
$53k sounds about right. I know in Advisory they were starting out in Atlanta at $55k a couple years ago and Advisory was generally paid higher than Tax/Audit. If you push them, you can usually get them to up the signing bonus a little bit.
Sick days at PwC are on an as needed basis. You can take as much as you need but since it affects your work performance and your partner's bottom line, they will notice and inquire. Do not expect it to go unnoticed so don't abuse it. Take it when you are really sick and don't worry.
Schedule vacation plenty in advance.
Have a good time (within the bounds of a professional atmosphere) at all of your trainings and orientations. Make friends throughout the firm. Add them to your SameTime list and keep in touch. The more people that know you and know what you do, the better you will do in your career.
Good luck.
Sick days at PwC are on an as needed basis. You can take as much as you need but since it affects your work performance and your partner's bottom line, they will notice and inquire. Do not expect it to go unnoticed so don't abuse it. Take it when you are really sick and don't worry.
Schedule vacation plenty in advance.
Have a good time (within the bounds of a professional atmosphere) at all of your trainings and orientations. Make friends throughout the firm. Add them to your SameTime list and keep in touch. The more people that know you and know what you do, the better you will do in your career.
Good luck.
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