Work site arrests of illegals fall dramatically under Obama

[feralkid]

Fail Thread.


The truth is U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is reviewing the hiring records at 1000 companies nationwide.

This is the largest audit in the agency's history.

The Obama administration favors work-site enforcement targeting employers rather than employees.

Reducing the hiring magnet is the smart solution. Everyone knows this.

 

[Red Dawn]

Fail Thread.


The truth is U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is reviewing the hiring records at 1000 companies nationwide.

This is the largest audit in the agency's history.

The Obama administration favors work-site enforcement targeting employers rather than employees.

Reducing the hiring magnet is the smart solution. Everyone knows this.

If not they should. Arresting illegal workers is not nearly as effective as punishing those who hire them as the i;llegals will just come back under the cover of darkness after they've been deported. On the other hand if the cost of employing illegals is either a huge fine or incarceration it definitely will deter these underhanded employers from using illegals.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

If your nation had taken ANY KIND of responsibility for refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan as well as Africa i might shed a tear for your hardships when dealing with illegal immigration.

It's not even possible to immigrate legally from Mexico and you complain about illegal immigration?

You reap what you sow.

Not sure how you put 2 and 2 together from your reply. Are you saying that a country should be punished via illegal entry and continued illegal presence while adding to tax evasion because they are not taking people in legally?

That's a load of horse poo. And if you do not think so just ask those that have come here, got naturalized, etc. as they are even more offended by the presence of illegals in America.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Hit a nerve, CSG? Awww...

Enforce the law? How lame. The law, as is, remains completely unenforceable, unless you're willing to do away with the posse comitatus, have the armed forces do the job. even that probably wouldn't work.

Your big business pals, the guys who finance the think tanks that write your script, don't want it. But they love to keep the right wing raving about it, just so long as they can direct the faux outrage somewhere, anywhere else.

It's all Obama's fault, right? I mean, he's not staging raids just for show, pissing into the grand canyon, so he's clearly to blame for what's come into being over the last 30 years or so...

Wrong. It is VERY enforceable, but unfortunately we have too many bleeding hearts with no spine in the Fed gov't- who is charged with enforcing immigration laws.
As to big business - no shit they like the cheap labor - please show where I've stated they don't and/or shouldn't be punished for hiring illegals? The problem is that you fringe leftists want to only focus on one area as well and ignore the other - just what you tried to claim Bush and others did. Plus with the BHO new plan, the "focus" on businesses is weak at best so it actually makes the situation worse as most companies will just shrug it off.

Here's a plan - how about BHO actually enforce the law. Raid businesses that employ these illegals and then follow through with deportations and huge fines for employers caught employing these people instead of letting them off the hook like they did with the kosher plant here in Iowa.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Fail Thread.


The truth is U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is reviewing the hiring records at 1000 companies nationwide.

This is the largest audit in the agency's history.

The Obama administration favors work-site enforcement targeting employers rather than employees.

Reducing the hiring magnet is the smart solution. Everyone knows this.

fail post due to blinders. Did you even read the link? nah, you just drank the koolaid and ignored the realities.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

If not they should. Arresting illegal workers is not nearly as effective as punishing those who hire them as the i;llegals will just come back under the cover of darkness after they've been deported. On the other hand if the cost of employing illegals is either a huge fine or incarceration it definitely will deter these underhanded employers from using illegals.

Agreed, except that what BHO is doing is neither "huge fine" nor "incarceration" - it's not going to deter businesses from hiring illegals. It needs to be both immigration enforcement and business enforcement - not just one(weak attempt) or the other.

 

[Red Dawn]

Agreed, except that what BHO is doing is neither "huge fine" nor "incarceration" - it's not going to deter businesses from hiring illegals. It needs to be both immigration enforcement and business enforcement - not just one(weak attempt) or the other.

Actually I agree with you Still I think going after those who employ illegals hard would be a lot more effective than just rounding up the illegals and deporting them.

 

[JTsyo]

If your nation had taken ANY KIND of responsibility for refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan as well as Africa i might shed a tear for your hardships when dealing with illegal immigration.

It's not even possible to immigrate legally from Mexico and you complain about illegal immigration?

You reap what you sow.

Wow, you just make stuff up to support whatever you like?
26.9% of the legal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, the most from any country.
Look at Table 4

Though I'm surprised that there's only around 12 million immigrants in the country. Wonder if it's because most get citizenship when eligible. Wiki says over 34million foreign born people in the US, that's over 10% of the population.

 

[heyheybooboo]

fail post due to blinders. Did you even read the link? nah, you just drank the koolaid and ignored the realities.

NeanderCon Talking Point Handbook / Bullet Point Numero Uno:

Ignore facts that strike directly at the heart of your argument.

Immigration Officials to Audit 1,000 More Companies
Published: November 19, 2009

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[Jhhnn]

Illegal entry is not a criminal offense, bfdd, but rather a civil offense. The only reason illegals can be held is for deportation purposes.

Proper definitions and attributions matter...

Legal immigration into the US from Latin America is an arduous process except wrt marriage or people having exceptional skills. Some political refugees have it easier, too. The system is really designed to prevent immigration, like it or not.

Repeating the same lame raving ad nauseum isn't really an argument, CSG. There are an estimated 10-15 million undocumented workers in this country, and the border isn't exactly sealed, either. Deporting them is like pouring water through a sieve so long as the job magnet remains. It's elementary, verging on remedial, but a useful point of attack on an assigned liability, right?

 

[cubeless]

and maybe the reason less are being rounded up is that there are less worksites for the feds to stumble across as they aimlessly wander around???

 

[Mursilis]

If not they should. Arresting illegal workers is not nearly as effective as punishing those who hire them as the i;llegals will just come back under the cover of darkness after they've been deported. On the other hand if the cost of employing illegals is either a huge fine or incarceration it definitely will deter these underhanded employers from using illegals.

This. Remove the incentive for illegals to be here, and you remove the illegals. The Feds should just focus on absolutely HAMMERING employers, including prison time for knowingly employing them.

 

[feralkid]

fail post due to blinders. Did you even read the link? nah, you just drank the koolaid and ignored the realities.

I most certainly did read that pile of FUD.

Facts>partisan crap post.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I most certainly did read that pile of FUD.

Facts>partisan crap post.

Yep, and the FACTS are that there is not going to be any "huge fines" or "jail sentences" - which essentially makes this supposed "effort" more show than substance. Why can't the FED fully enforce the law?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

NeanderCon Talking Point Handbook / Bullet Point Numero Uno:

Ignore facts that strike directly at the heart of your argument.

Immigration Officials to Audit 1,000 More Companies
Published: November 19, 2009

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lol, try again junior. Oh teh noes... an "audit" - whatever will the places do with their slightly red hand if they get caught.

 

[nobodyknows]

No, it really isn't.

That unfortunate people are criminals for trying to find a better life just shows me that what the US once was is no more.

"give us your rich, your intelligent, your wealthy masses"

Send the statue back to France because they DO accept the poor.

You have become a comedy of a nation where the only thing that matters when it comes to immigration is what they can do for you.

LOL at the troll.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Actually I agree with you Still I think going after those who employ illegals hard would be a lot more effective than just rounding up the illegals and deporting them.

That may be true but you need to directly affect those here illegally. And by "affect" I mean more than them just losing their job. They need to be sent home, not just allowed to stay here ILLEGALLY.

 

[xj0hnx]

That may be true but you need to directly affect those here illegally. And by "affect" I mean more than them just losing their job. They need to be sent home, not just allowed to stay here ILLEGALLY.

If they, meaning ANY of the past administrations since prior to Reagan, had enforced the laws they'd be doing both, but dang, what a way to kill both parties voter base's.

 

[Hacp]

No, it really isn't.

That unfortunate people are criminals for trying to find a better life just shows me that what the US once was is no more.

"give us your rich, your intelligent, your wealthy masses"

Send the statue back to France because they DO accept the poor.

You have become a comedy of a nation where the only thing that matters when it comes to immigration is what they can do for you.

You frenchmen can have all the illegals you want. We don't want them in our nation. Either they should immigrate here legally like the legal Mexican immigrants, or they should get deported. I would say send them to Gitmo, but that would be too expensive.

 

[Hacp]

Fail Thread.


The truth is U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is reviewing the hiring records at 1000 companies nationwide.

This is the largest audit in the agency's history.

The Obama administration favors work-site enforcement targeting employers rather than employees.

Reducing the hiring magnet is the smart solution. Everyone knows this.

No, the solution is to send them back. You take their jobs away without deporting them and they start robbing our stores and raping our women.

 

[Xcobra]

Wtf are you talking about? It's plenty possible, and people do it everyday, there's just a staggering number of defacto criminals that would rather reap the benefits of living and working here without expending the effort to do it legally, which isn't that hard, my wife is a legal immigrant, and it didn't take that long, or cost that much.

Oh shut the hell up. It seems like you know nothing. It took us 10 YEARS for us to get approved to finally come to the US. 10 stinking years. Not to mention the thousands of dollars that my dad had to pay. No but for you, it seemed like a breeze. If it were so, most would come here legally. It takes a LONG time and a LOT of money.

 

[mect]

You do realise that that .net adress is as credible as whitehouse.org?

It is one mans opinion and that is it, that he calles it EUNews is shameful, even for a fucked up retarded little piece of shit as him.

I am wrong? The EU didn't allow +x10 as many immigrants as the US and 99.99% or those who fled the US wars haven't immigrated into the EU?

Son, find a proper adress and try again, as it is, you punk arsed bitches are just boring the living daylights out of me.

So now you are changing your argument. You stated that it doesn't exist in the EU. If your claim was that you handle it better than the US, then I think people would have been willing to listen to what you said, if you were capable of presenting your opinion backed by clear arguments and facts. However, you decided instead to make the claim that it doesn't exist, not that it is easier to immigrate legally to EU nations. You further demonstrate your ignorance, as whitehouse.org would be a perfectly reputable site for posting what legislation has been passed. I admit, I don't know how reputable the site I listed is, but you just attack the source, but you don't appear to be able to refute the claim. The claim isn't exactly an opinion, and is easily verifiable had you the slightest inclination to do so. Since you seem incapable of doing anything other than attempting to maintain your ill informed opinion, I'll help you out a little bit.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?language=EN&type=IM-PRESS&reference=20080616IPR31785
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1A1-D91CE3P81.html
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/eu_illegal_immigration_and_demographic_challenge
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1213784224.16
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008007937_immig20.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7460007.stm

Is that enough? Or are all those sources not reliable. That whole internet thing, its not reliable. I shouldn't trust BBC over your word I suppose. Like this line (from the BBC site), I'm sure they just completely made up.
"EU officials estimate there are up to eight million illegal immigrants in the bloc. "

 

[shadow9d9]

Wrong. It is VERY enforceable, but unfortunately we have too many bleeding hearts with no spine in the Fed gov't- who is charged with enforcing immigration laws.
As to big business - no shit they like the cheap labor - please show where I've stated they don't and/or shouldn't be punished for hiring illegals? The problem is that you fringe leftists want to only focus on one area as well and ignore the other - just what you tried to claim Bush and others did. Plus with the BHO new plan, the "focus" on businesses is weak at best so it actually makes the situation worse as most companies will just shrug it off.

Here's a plan - how about BHO actually enforce the law. Raid businesses that employ these illegals and then follow through with deportations and huge fines for employers caught employing these people instead of letting them off the hook like they did with the kosher plant here in Iowa.

The republicans had 14 years of control. They will do nothing because it is a talking point for them that fools follow. They will never target corporations, which is the only way to stop it.

Keep whining, nothing will change.

 

[Red Dawn]

No, the solution is to send them back. You take their jobs away without deporting them and they start robbing our stores and raping our women.

LOL

 

[zephyrprime]

CSG would you just grow up? You incendiary posts that just parrot talking points exemplify what is wrong in American political discourse. Evolve! Politics shouldn't be a team sport. We're all in this together.

The truth is, immigration enforcement has become tougher under the Obama administration. Here's an excerpt from a report I heard the other day on the radio:

"The Obama administration has been aggressive in removing undocumented workers. In fiscal year 2009, which ended in September, ICE deported 6,300 people from the region represented by Minnesota, the Dakotas, Iowa and Nebraska. That's 1,000 more people than during the last year of the Bush administration. "

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/11/09/immigrants-fired/

The Bush administration raids were nothing more than for show and to placate the public. Illegal immigration under Bush was the greatest ever.

However, the truth is, neither party in America cares about enforcing immigration. Both parties are corrupt. Big business in America wants cheap labor and our politicians are corrupt amoral people. No normal person let alone an altruistic one even wants to go into politics so the field is left to the megalomaniacs and self-servers.