Work site arrests of illegals fall dramatically under Obama

[CADsortaGUY]

Again, retarded one, read the thread, i've already answered this.

Oh, and as the EU extremists who complain about "illegal immigration" (a concept that doesn't even EXIST in the EU nations) you probably should end your posts with some patriotic screaming to make you feel like if you actually were of any worth to your nation.

I did read what you posted, it doesn't change just how wrong you are. Like I stated, I know dozens who have done it LEGALLY. So with the "help" of corporations, some with the help of relatives, some with the help of churches, some just on their own. But continue to bleat on and on about what happens here when you aren't even here nor from here.

 

[D1gger]

If you listen to the birthers Obama may very well be an illegal alien himself so why would he push for more arrests?

 

[mect]

Actually, no, it doesn't, there is nothing illegal with ANY immigration in the EU.

Lets ask a EU citisen? (that would be me) does it exist... no.

Hilarious! You think you can tell Americans what's up with their country, but American's can't tell you whats up with countries near you?

And what makes it better is that you're absolutely wrong. The EU passed policy in 2008 allowing illegal immigrants to be held in detention centers for up to 18 months before deportation. This came about in response to Italy attempting to clamp down on illegal immigration including up to 4 years imprisonment.

http://www.euronews.net/2008/06/05/illegal-immigrants-face-18-months-detention-in-eu/

 

[spittledip]

Right, it is so easy for them to immigrate here legally,
Its kinda funny how it works. When my parents came here from Mexico they had no trouble at all because my dad was a doctor. Other people they knew couldn't even get tourist visas to visit family, but my dad had no trouble getting what was almost a limitless visa for the family. The visa later changed from limitless to expiring on some date, but long before that date a legal resident family member had petitioned for our legal residence. It would have taken 20 years for that to go through. Thats a long time, plenty of time for my parents hate of each other to lead to their divorce and then marry citizens. After marrying, they (and I) gained permanent residence in less than a year. Just like that, in about 9 months, magically.

Same thing happened to my sister-in-law. She tried to get a visa to get in the US to visit us, but she didn't have a job at the time (she was a student), so they refused to let her get one. This is from Trinidad, not Mexico.

 

[xj0hnx]

Actually, no, it doesn't, there is nothing illegal with ANY immigration in the EU.

Lets ask a EU citisen? (that would be me) does it exist... no.

Yea, it does, I don't have to ask you, my wife was an EU citizen, and her family still lives there, as well as many friends, and there is indeed illegal immigration, why would I ask someone that denies it?

 

[xj0hnx]

Right, it is so easy for them to immigrate here legally, but they instead choose to risk their well-being crossing the border illegally, to live in the shadows under the constant risk of sudden deportation, and to otherwise be without the rights and benefits of being a legal immigrant, simply because living this way is so much more beneficial than immigrating legally.

The reality is that without a citizen or legal resident in the U.S. to petition for their immigration, or valuable skills, the average skill-less person in Mexico has no chance. They cannot even get tourist visas without significant difficulty.

I am not advocating illegal immigration, just pointing out that what you said makes no sense. If immigrating legally were no problem then of course everyone would do it.

No not everybody would, I doubt even a large percentage would, where I live over 50% hispanic, I've known and worked with more than a couple of illegals, and most do not want to be American citizens they want to work and send money back home, or were running from the law, and don't want to be documented at all, I've also known a couple that came, worked, and brought their families to do it right. And just because you we like potential immigrants to have something to offer the country doesn't make it impossible, I mean imagine that, the US not wanting to just let every as you put it, skill-less, person immigrate just because. And thanks for helping make my point that it is possible to immigrate to America.

 

[Jhhnn]

The implied false equivalency in the OP is pure propagandizing.

the Obama Administration doesn't enforce the law? Neither has any previous, from Reagan forward. Yeh, sure, some trot out the ICE to make a show, show that they're "tough on illegals", kinda like the creation of the prison at Gitmo was created to show that they're "tough on terrar!"

The law is fundamentally unenforceable, because American business loves illegals, hires them every chance they get. There wouldn't be illegals if nobody hired 'em. That's so straightforward and so obvious as to reduce the OP to pure foolish raving and finger-pointing.

Don't expect any of that to change anytime RSN, either. The system is clearly slanted towards illegal rather than legal immigrants. Illegals are part and parcel of Globalization- if you can't export the jobs, then import the labor, make it as cheap as possible. Keeping them illegal accomplishes just that.

Righties, of course, can't figure it out, because they've been taught to hate unions, which have been the only organized force opposing the wholesale importation of cheap labor... and the wholesale process of stripping America of productive capacity thru offshoring.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Hilarious! You think you can tell Americans what's up with their country, but American's can't tell you whats up with countries near you?

And what makes it better is that you're absolutely wrong. The EU passed policy in 2008 allowing illegal immigrants to be held in detention centers for up to 18 months before deportation. This came about in response to Italy attempting to clamp down on illegal immigration including up to 4 years imprisonment.

http://www.euronews.net/2008/06/05/illegal-immigrants-face-18-months-detention-in-eu/

You do realise that that .net adress is as credible as whitehouse.org?

It is one mans opinion and that is it, that he calles it EUNews is shameful, even for a fucked up retarded little piece of shit as him.

I am wrong? The EU didn't allow +x10 as many immigrants as the US and 99.99% or those who fled the US wars haven't immigrated into the EU?

Son, find a proper adress and try again, as it is, you punk arsed bitches are just boring the living daylights out of me.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

The implied false equivalency in the OP is pure propagandizing.

the Obama Administration doesn't enforce the law? Neither has any previous, from Reagan forward. Yeh, sure, some trot out the ICE to make a show, show that they're "tough on illegals", kinda like the creation of the prison at Gitmo was created to show that they're "tough on terrar!"

The law is fundamentally unenforceable, because American business loves illegals, hires them every chance they get. There wouldn't be illegals if nobody hired 'em. That's so straightforward and so obvious as to reduce the OP to pure foolish raving and finger-pointing.

Don't expect any of that to change anytime RSN, either. The system is clearly slanted towards illegal rather than legal immigrants. Illegals are part and parcel of Globalization- if you can't export the jobs, then import the labor, make it as cheap as possible. Keeping them illegal accomplishes just that.

Righties, of course, can't figure it out, because they've been taught to hate unions, which have been the only organized force opposing the wholesale importation of cheap labor... and the wholesale process of stripping America of productive capacity thru offshoring.

did you even try reading the op you tool? Have you not been paying attention for the last decade? No one I know thinks Bush or the previous ones properly enforced the immigration law. Why do you think we've been saying ENFORCE THE LAW? We don't want selective enforcement like Bush did with the main emphasis on raids and lesser on the corps. Likewise now, we don't want BHO to stop the raids and hand out slaps to corps. ENFORCE THE LAW. What is so tough about that?
I will also note, just because previous admins didn't enforce the law doesn't mean BHO shouldn't.

Uh - this issue has exactly ZERO to do with unions and offshoring, it has to do with ENFORCING THE LAW. It is enforceable but we have too many bleeding heart morons who see a group to pander to.

 

[Infohawk]

Too bad. It especially makes sense to crack down on illegals given the high unemployment rate.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hit a nerve, CSG? Awww...

Enforce the law? How lame. The law, as is, remains completely unenforceable, unless you're willing to do away with the posse comitatus, have the armed forces do the job. even that probably wouldn't work.

Your big business pals, the guys who finance the think tanks that write your script, don't want it. But they love to keep the right wing raving about it, just so long as they can direct the faux outrage somewhere, anywhere else.

It's all Obama's fault, right? I mean, he's not staging raids just for show, pissing into the grand canyon, so he's clearly to blame for what's come into being over the last 30 years or so...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yea, it does, I don't have to ask you, my wife was an EU citizen, and her family still lives there, as well as many friends, and there is indeed illegal immigration, why would I ask someone that denies it?

Are you daft in a special sort of way? There are NO illegal immigrants in the EU, there ARE illegal ALIENS meaning people who have requested but been denied citisenship.

There is a FUCKLOAD of a difference between the two.

 

[blackangst1]

If your nation had taken ANY KIND of responsibility for refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan as well as Africa i might shed a tear for your hardships when dealing with illegal immigration.

It's not even possible to immigrate legally from Mexico and you complain about illegal immigration?

You reap what you sow.

Bullshit. Mexico is the USA's largest source of both legal and illegal immigration.

 

[blackangst1]

Hit a nerve, CSG? Awww...

Enforce the law? How lame. The law, as is, remains completely unenforceable, unless you're willing to do away with the posse comitatus, have the armed forces do the job. even that probably wouldn't work.

Your big business pals, the guys who finance the think tanks that write your script, don't want it. But they love to keep the right wing raving about it, just so long as they can direct the faux outrage somewhere, anywhere else.

It's all Obama's fault, right? I mean, he's not staging raids just for show, pissing into the grand canyon, so he's clearly to blame for what's come into being over the last 30 years or so...

Its the federal government's job to secure it's nation's borders.

 

[shadow9d9]

Republicans had 14 years of control to put all sorts of criminal and civil penalties on businesses that hired illegals. They did nothing.

You don't arrest the illegals.. you arrest the businesses that pay them... but businesses are sacred to the republican party.

I honestly couldn't care less about illegals.. if it bothers you, you should have had your republican representatives in congress do something when they had the power.

Oh wait.. you use them as scapegoats for everything. Why WOULD republicans actually rid themselves of another fear talking point to manipulate you into voting for them!?

 

[blackangst1]

Right, it is so easy for them to immigrate here legally, but they instead choose to risk their well-being crossing the border illegally, to live in the shadows under the constant risk of sudden deportation, and to otherwise be without the rights and benefits of being a legal immigrant, simply because living this way is so much more beneficial than immigrating legally.

The reality is that without a citizen or legal resident in the U.S. to petition for their immigration, or valuable skills, the average skill-less person in Mexico has no chance. They cannot even get tourist visas without significant difficulty.

I am not advocating illegal immigration, just pointing out that what you said makes no sense. If immigrating legally were no problem then of course everyone would do it.

Its kinda funny how it works. When my parents came here from Mexico they had no trouble at all because my dad was a doctor. Other people they knew couldn't even get tourist visas to visit family, but my dad had no trouble getting what was almost a limitless visa for the family. The visa later changed from limitless to expiring on some date, but long before that date a legal resident family member had petitioned for our legal residence. It would have taken 20 years for that to go through. Thats a long time, plenty of time for my parents hate of each other to lead to their divorce and then marry citizens. After marrying, they (and I) gained permanent residence in less than a year. Just like that, in about 9 months, magically.

You know who denied the visitor's visa right? Mexico. If you know anything about the immigration process (which, given what you've said, you do) you would know when you apply for a visa it must clear your own country for approval. For most countries, if you dont have a reason to return i.e. career, assets, land, business, etc they will NOT approve it. They dont want their own people to leave.


There are several exceptions. The following countries dont need a visa: Andorra, Austria, Australia, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom (For citizens with the unrestricted right of permanent abode in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.)

 

[blackangst1]

Republicans had 14 years of control to put all sorts of criminal and civil penalties on businesses that hired illegals. They did nothing.

You don't arrest the illegals.. you arrest the businesses that pay them... but businesses are sacred to the republican party.

I honestly couldn't care less about illegals.. if it bothers you, you should have had your republican representatives in congress do something when they had the power.

Oh wait.. you use them as scapegoats for everything. Why WOULD republicans actually rid themselves of another fear talking point to manipulate you into voting for them!?

Yep. Agree with the exception of arresting illegals.

 

[dmcowen674]

"The Obama administration should put citizens and legal immigrants first, especially when it comes to jobs."

Absolutely disgusting that the bho admin would not enforce the law. They(the left) whined because Bush didn't do enough to employers and yet here the bho admin isn't really doing anything either, just a slap on the wrist all the while still giving the wink and nod to employers to do it because they don't need to fear the raids as much.

Oh, and remember that meat packing plant in iowa that got raided? The kosher one? Yep, they dropped the immigration charges against the manager and the business itself.
"change" indeed

What is disgusting is how you and your buds are the lowest of the low.

You and your hero brought the illegals here to begin to fatten your fucking wallets with cheap labor so don't feign this shit.

It is indeed change. I hope a change you and your America hating friends can't stand and get the hell out of here.

 

[dmcowen674]

With full employment now we need every warm body we can find to fill the jobs begging for workers.

That's right, the economy is strong.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

You know who denied the visitor's visa right? Mexico. If you know anything about the immigration process (which, given what you've said, you do) you would know when you apply for a visa it first goes to your own country for approval. For most countries, if you dont have a reason to return i.e. career, assets, land, business, etc they will NOT approve it. They dont want their own people to leave.

All you people make it seem like its hard for a poor person to get a visa because of some policy the USA has. WRONG.

Eh, I speak of experiences conveyed to me by my parents, all the immigration stuff was sorted out when I was a minor. They did all the work, so I'm afraid I don't really know that much. My point was not to blame the difficulties of immigration on anyone, but simply that it is difficult for the "Joe 6-pack" Mexican equivalent to immigrate legally. The bolded is true, however I didn't realize those requirements were put in place by Mexico. It certainly contradicts the notion many people hold about the Mexican government encouraging illegal immigration.

 

[xj0hnx]

Are you daft in a special sort of way? There are NO illegal immigrants in the EU, there ARE illegal ALIENS meaning people who have requested but been denied citisenship.

There is a FUCKLOAD of a difference between the two.

Yea sure, in all of the EU there's no one that has taken up permanent residence without gaining legal status. Sure thing ace.

 

[blackangst1]

Eh, I speak of experiences conveyed to me by my parents, all the immigration stuff was sorted out when I was a minor. They did all the work, so I'm afraid I don't really know that much. My point was not to blame the difficulties of immigration on anyone, but simply that it is difficult for the "Joe 6-pack" Mexican equivalent to immigrate legally. The bolded is true, however I didn't realize those requirements were put in place by Mexico. It certainly contradicts the notion many people hold about the Mexican government encouraging illegal immigration.

The USA has it's requirements, and the host country has theirs. A visa must be approved by both.

Insofar as "joe 6 pack" does it make sense to have a visa program in place where, for example, Juan wants to come to the USA to visit with no way to support himself? He will need either a sponsor (a US citizen who also has to go through the process) or he must be able to sustain himself while here. It makes sense right? I mean, where is he going to stay? How will he feed himself? He will need some assets in order to do that, no? Why in the world would we want to give a visitors visa to someone who cant take care of themselves? (I lol'd when I wrote this next sentence) we arent a welfare country. When immigrating we expect people to take care of themselves. The same is true for family visas as well. Alot of people think if someone marries an American = automatic green card...WRONG. Again, there must be evidence of self sustaining sponsor, health checks and criminal checks must be done, and the host country must approve the visa. Its not automatic, nor should it be.

 

[LunarRay]

It may be the law of EU to not classify a person seeking residency in the EU and to have done so by entering the EU for that purpose without permission as being in the EU illegally. I don't know the answer to that but it does seem to ring a bell...
I do know that a person who illegally emigrates from their native land is almost always given legal status in the EU... or at least in some places prior to the formation of the EU.
It would be interesting to find that out from an EU legal mind...

 

[xj0hnx]

. Alot of people think if someone marries an American = automatic green card...WRONG. Again, there must be evidence of self sustaining sponsor, health checks and criminal checks must be done, and the host country must approve the visa. Its not automatic, nor should it be.

Very true, my wife's immigration was as much about me, as it was about her. Had to proved I had a residence and a job to sustain us for I think it was six months, or a year, as well as blood test to clear us for certain diseases.

 

[bfdd]

JohnOfSheffield, our immigration policies do need a reworking, but to say it's impossible for people to migrate from Mexico to the USA legally is absolutely fucking retarded. I've met quite a few people who have. Also, to say they aren't criminals is retarded, they broke our law by entering the country undocumented. That makes them a criminal. Look I'm all for changing the USAs immigration policies, I want people to come here and I want it easier for them to do so, but we had a huge problem with people coming over here illegally which is against our laws and has put a big drain on our systems.