Words from Iraq

wacki

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This is a bit old, but reading some of the threads in here I thought it might do some good. It was sent to me on Oct 7
It's amazing that Baghdad never had garbage collection before we came. I wonder how they survived this long.


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The following is an excerpt from a military flier and paper distributed by
the 82d Airborne Div. It is about as factual as one could ever find. You
know, from the Horses mouth, etc.

Falcon Flyer

Rip another page off your calendars! August was a tough month for the
Regiment and we're glad to have it over with. The troopers who were here
will never forget the heat of 6-12 August when thermometers pegged out at
136 degrees on the 10th and averaged 133 the whole period. It was a mistake
to let bare skin touch metal - you would come away with a blister. Even so,
the little Iraqi children cheerfully scurried across the blacktop in their
bare feet. The kids are something. They are always smiling and waving.
Troopers get a kick out of them running to the street and saying 'Hey
mister, mister, chocolate - you give me chocolate'. Of course, they have
already learned GI slang and some of the boys practice spitting to imitate
paratroopers.

It will probably have US troops there for at least another couple of
years, so the Army has decided to spruce it up. We are going to throw up
barracks (with flush toilets even!) and then build up quality of life
additions round ourselves.

I wanted to take a few lines and explain the big picture of this
operation as I see it. Our nation has asked the US military to do some
seriously heavy lifting - with the help of some staunch coalition partners.
The global War on Terror is an extremely ambitious undertaking on par with
liberating the continent of Europe while simultaneously defeating the
Japanese in the Pacific during WW II. This war is about ending terrorism and
the culture that breeds it. To do that, we had to come to the source. Some
say that there was absolutely no connection between terrorism and Saddam's
regime. If that's so, how did Abu Nidal, the most notorious terrorist of the
80's and 90's, find sanctuary here in Baghdad until he died last year? How
did Ansar Al Islam, a radical surrogate of Al Queda, operate training camps
in Northern Iraq until 83 of them were killed by US SOF? How was it that our
forces found Al Queda training materials including recipes for bio toxins
here? Who bombed the Jordanian embassy, the UN building, and the Shia mosque
in Al Najaf?

In spite of what you hear from the hyped up election year media, we
are winning this fight. At the tactical level, your loved ones are
conducting operations every night that directly target the remains of
Saddam's murderous regime, along with those who seek to prolong the
post-combat chaos in Baghdad for their own personal gain.

We have hired almost 2000 Iraqis who are working alongside of our
troopers every day to preserve security and protect critical infrastructure.
We have recruited and are now training the first members of the Iraqi Civil
Defense Corps and the new Iraqi Army. There are now almost 6000 Iraqi
policemen in Baghdad and training will continue until there are 16,500. In
AO Falcon, we have also started our own security force called Neighborhood
Watch. We recruited men from each neighborhood to protect their families and
property from criminals and enemy fighters. There are now over 1300 men who
prevent evil doers from entering the Al Rasheed community. We have also
formed both Neighborhood and District Advisory Councils made up of Iraqi
citizens who support our cause and they are beginning to take charge of
their own affairs. The fledgling representative government is taking shape
and the Iraqis are learning that freedom, prosperity and Islam can in fact
co-exist. Each of these groups is beginning to understand that the
propaganda being spread by the anti-coalition media is simply not true.
We are not here for their oil, or to destroy their religion or
install a Jewish government.

They now understand that what was caused by 35 years of neglect and
decay cannot be repaired overnight. They have come to know our troopers for
what they are: decent, caring, honorable people who treat everyone with
dignity and respect unless given reason not to. They also realize this - the
absolute worst thing that could ever happen to them is to have American
Paratroopers as their enemies.

The Iraqis of our district are learning that they can trust us.
Consequently, they are no longer afraid to approach us with the information
we need to eliminate the resistance fighters. The Iraqi people remain our
best sources of intelligence. Because of this, we have transitioned from a
strategy of near continuous presence on the streets to one of precision. We
are no longer alienating innocent Iraqis by conducting searches of entire
city blocks. Instead, we wait until we know for sure, and then strike
quickly to snatch our enemies from their hiding places.

Every hospital and clinic in Baghdad is now operating. The coalition
is printing 5 million new textbooks, handing out school supplies to 1.2
million children and rehabilitating 1000 schools. Iraq is producing over 1
million barrels of oil a day. For the first time in history, Baghdad has a
garbage collection service. Power production has jumped from 300 mega-watts
per day after liberation to 3300 mega-watts per day. There are 1.3 million
Iraqis drawing salaries, 92,000 receiving social security payments, and
90,000 working to clear irrigation canals of obstructions.

So the next time you listen to the presidential contenders and media
- with their predictions of another Viet Nam, failure and hysteria, you know
the real deal. Military campaigns are never easy - and replacing a
tyrannical dictatorship with a democracy where one has never before existed
is especially difficult. But, our troopers are making it happen and making
it matter.

We will not fail and with the help of the Iraqi people, we will
finish this fight and head on home.

Let's Go!
 

Sultan

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blah blah blah is right :D

This excerpt looks like the letters supposedly sent by GI's to the local newspapers and were later found to be forged/faked.
 

Czar

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a city of the size of baghdad needs garbage collection or there would be constant plagues there, so that little tidbit is highly unlikely
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: Czar
a city of the size of baghdad needs garbage collection or there would be constant plagues there, so that little tidbit is highly unlikely
except when the oppressive govt is building palaces in their leaders "honor" and rebuilding the destroyed city of Babylon
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Czar
a city of the size of baghdad needs garbage collection or there would be constant plagues there, so that little tidbit is highly unlikely
except when the oppressive govt is building palaces in their leaders "honor" and rebuilding the destroyed city of Babylon
so did you hear stories of wast plagues in baghdad before the war?

contradicts what I have been reading from red cross workers who actually were there before the war
 

CaptnKirk

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Press release.

Joe GI would never write a letter like that, it's not directed to a relitive or friend at home.
No specific direction to a loved one that would benefit from the content.
 

tnitsuj

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Baghdad always had a garbage collection service, even places like Calcutta have garbage collection service. Thier wouldn't have been anyone living in that city if they didn't have a way to get rid of thier garbage.



Iraqis were on TV after the war complaining that the trash collection has not started again and I saw an interview on one of the news networks a while back with Iraqi municipal workers including garbage collectors about coming back to thier old jobs and how they were getting paid more than they were before.

I hate when people just make stuff up.
 

tnitsuj

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USAID cleans up Baghdad

notice the caption "as service has yet to be restored." I think it is up and running now, but that is an official US governmnt agency stating that thier was prior service to be restored.
 

tnitsuj

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More evidence that some of the claims in that supposed "letter" are crap/propganda at best.

Coalition Provisional Authority Website on the Ministry of Public Works



The previous regime in Iraq held power inside Iraq through the Ministry of Interior, covering all internal Security arrangements ? police, fire service, etc. ? in addition to the system of local government through the DG Municipalities, and as well as the service delivery aspects of water, sewerage, urban roads, garbage collection and disposal, and the urban development planning parts of Public Works.



When the Ministry of the Interior was subdivided during the establishment of the CPA, the Security aspects were retained in a streamlined Ministry of the Interior, and the Municipalities and Public Works elements were hived off into a new Ministry of Public Works, itself renamed as the Ministry of Municipalities and Public Works by CPA Order Number 33 of 9 September 2003.



The Ministry of Municipalities and Public Works is structured as 7 General Directorates headed by 7 DGs:



1. DG Municipalities (also heads the committee of 5 DGs)

2. DG Administration

3. DG Water Services (and GCWS

4. DG Sewerage Services (and GCWS[1])

5. DG Planning and Following

6. DG Physical Planning

7. DG Construction - Public Works SoE[2]



 

feralkid

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Phony Baloney...Such a pants load of crap...I blame the Media Blamers for this one.


Does not help our troops.


Shame!
 

Doboji

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Well, my buddy in Iraq with the 4th Infantry says virtually the same thing... his unit is working to rebuild the education infrastructure in some town west of Baghdad. And like the letter says the ordinary Iraqis are very happy with the american troops... the children, and the adults. The problem is with the teenagers... the teenagers are far more anti-American. And if you take a moment to look at Psychology... I think you'll see how that makes perfect sense.

A link to the webpage dedicated to my friend... along with pictures he's passed through Instant Messenger, I.E Completely uncensored

Fact is the Iraqis are not as anti-american as the media portrays them to be.

-Max
 

wacki

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Well, my buddy in Iraq with the 4th Infantry says virtually the same thing... his unit is working to rebuild the education infrastructure in some town west of Baghdad. And like the letter says the ordinary Iraqis are very happy with the american troops... the children, and the adults. The problem is with the teenagers... the teenagers are far more anti-American. And if you take a moment to look at Psychology... I think you'll see how that makes perfect sense.

A link to the webpage dedicated to my friend... along with pictures he's passed through Instant Messenger, I.E Completely uncensored

Fact is the Iraqis are not as anti-american as the media portrays them to be.

-Max


It's good to have some backup. The letter I posted was sent to me from my dad who has alot of west point friends. My brother might get stationed out there sometime soon, so he would be a pretty good source of information. But right now I don't have and direct links over there, but my dad does, and I don't need to explain his thoughts.

As for the garbage collection service check out this link

http://www.cpa-iraq.org/transcripts/20030831_bremerbroadcast29august.html

And if you think that doesn't happen take a trip to any third world country. I have friends from brazil, Argentina, and many other similar countries that will all tell you the same thing. The rich live like americans, everyone else lives a much harder life. Be glad your american, and if you aren't by a plane ticket and see how long you can live in the third world.
 

Doboji

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bump... I think this is an important thread... a little cut past the propaganda, words from the front

-Max
 

Shad0hawK

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i live at Fort Hood, i personally know many soldiers over there now and also have family over there.

the fact is alot still needs to be done, the fact also is many areas such as medical care and electrical service are not only restored to pre war levels, but EXCEED them...and have for some time. the majority of the iraqi people want us there

of course leftists do not let little thing like reality get in their way, they have propaganda to push, and anything that goes against what they want to beleive is simply dismissed and ignored.

 

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