How many people making large scale corporate purchases do you think visit Anandtech (or any other tech site) for benchmarks to make purchasing decisions? I really don't see what any of your post has to do with anything. What's your point?
How many people making large scale corporate purchases do you think visit Anandtech (or any other tech site) for benchmarks to make purchasing decisions? I really don't see what any of your post has to do with anything. What's your point?
Corperate has nothing to do with this. You brought up corperate. I'm talking about enthusiast based. Take a look at the last 10 pages of this forum and see how many new coming members ask the same question, "which should I choose, Intel or other". My arguement is that VIA forces no one to buy their chipsets. But yet people constantly post bad VIA remarks with nothing more than a FU. It's stupid. You're stating that workstations should only be built on Intel/Intel only, IYO. Why limit yourself to building only that way? I don't understand it, why pay more and gain less?
Some undisclosed cash settlement (not mentioned, but guaranteed) and limited royalties on some licenses (stated in the article).
LMFAO!!
Um, anyways, I don't know why you guys are getting so bent out of shape. I don't think anyone is really bashing Via, I think they're saying they'd prefer Intel. After seeing some of the cheap board prices on Intel mobos, I might have to throw one together.
If I were to build a top-of-the-line Intel rig in the next few months, I'd probably get an Intel Canterwood or Springdale based board.I really like Via though, nothing but good experiences with my KT133A and KT266A boards. I just make sure I stay with boards that end in "A".
Chiz
So what? Neither does Intel SiS or anyone else. I don't see the point here either.
Via is not the only victim of this. Ignore those people. There are plenty of posts with people that have legitimate complaints. Years of subpar products will get a negative following for any company. I've owned Intel, VIA, Sis, and AMD, and there is no debate at all that I have had by far the most problems with VIA and I know I'm not an exclusive member of that club. I don't care how fast a board is, if it is missing a feature I want, is unstable, has compatibility problems or any other downside, I'm not going to use it.
Intel has a proven track record, VIA does not. The second part is your opinion which you are entitled to.
Yep, being late to market and losing market share in the only core logic platform (oops, apologies to the Cyrix crowd
) in which you're licensed will make you do some crazy things, I'm sure. Chiz
Whether or not I personally would buy a Via chipset-based board, I am glad that this was settled. It's good for Intel, good for Via and good for the industry as a whole.
They get to keep making their P4 chips. Don't forget some of the Tech. in the P4 is based on a Patent that VIA NOW owns. When they bought out a CPU maker (a small bad one, can't remember the name) they got the patent. Just like when they bought the assets of S3 they got a license for the P4 chipsets.
From what I have seen if this was played out to the max VIA would have won, and won BIG. But the question is could their company last longer than Intel has money to fight it out in the courts. Prob. not. So they settle and both sides are happy.
YOU wouldn't but it gives other consumers more options, more/less features to fit their needs at a different price point.
And competition is always a good thing
VIA has gotten a lot better since the socket 7 MVP3(?) chipsets.
My last 5 or 6 AMD systems have run on KT133/A chipsets and run flawlessly.
Expect another socket for the p4 line
I seriously hope you were kidding
I wouldn't be surprised if it were true tho.
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OK so VIA is getting over being gut punched in the Intel market now.....just in time to get kicked in the teeth by Nvidia in the AMD market :evil: I have good luck with VIA boards myself but I don't think at this point there's any good reason to choose them over Intel or SiS for the P4 right now so I don't.
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The lowest price a P4X400 or 845PE board sell for is irrelevant, the average price spanning several vendors is what really matters to the thousands of consumers out there that don't purchase from Newegg. So, speaking specifically, ATX desktop VIA chipset-based P4 motherboards look to be no more than $8-10 cheaper (as per pricewatch, froogle, etc.) than ATX desktop Intel chipset-based P4 motherboards. If I were building, say, 10 systems for an office and was responsible for any problems that may arrise there's no question that I'd go with the Intel chipset-based boards before VIA chipset-based boards, even if it meant spending an extra $100. Of course a motherboard maker can make or break a good chipset, so obviously that's another factor I'd be willing to spend a little extra money on.
And we're willing to spend this little extra bit of cash because in our experience most top tier motherboard and chipset makers (like Gigabyte, ASUS, Intel, etc.) really have earned their excellent reputations. It's not as if it's myth somebody made up, it's real (with some exceptions of course). A somewhat similar mentality is prevalent at various technology companies and IT departments that require database servers. That is, do you really believe they're going to go with AMD Opteron-based systems over IA64-based systems (there is a bit of an overlap in market segments between Opteron and IA64 in 8-way to 16-way) if the price difference were 5%? Of course not, though I'm not justifying the decision.
In the end though, a motherboard purchase (or most any purchase for that matter) really comes down to the user's needs and budget.
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The prices I gave were just an estimate. The company that I worked for got their components from one vendor and we of course had special pricing available to us since we ordered in such volume.
And after looking at invoices for the systems and prices available to us, the difference was more than 5 or 10% when it came to a feature for feature comparison.
I'm still not understanding this elitest attitude that may are taking towards VIA. It's easy to be an armchair critic (as most in this thread are) when it comes to corporate purchases and making long-term installations at businesses and to a lesser extent, Joe Consumer. The company that I worked for does most of the major computer installations and PC networking in Burlington, NC and to a lesser extent, the surrounding cities and counties. We have some pretty big clients on our list and have a loyal customer base (in business since 1984).
We research all of our new system builds and evaluate them on a per-client basis. Before we go selling systems to the public, we build identical machines using the same components to run in our labs for compatibility/stability testing. It's not like we are out tossing a bunch of crap to the consumer for them to use.
If we found that VIA boards were going to be crashing and burning in mission critical applications, we wouldn't be selling them. That's just not good business and it would hurt our reputation with our clients.
And don't make it seem that EVERY Intel board is perfectly stable. Far from it. To tell you the truth, I had more troubles out of my i845G based motherboard than I have with my SiS655 based board (which I have NO problems with).
Just the end of another successful FUD campaign. Intel arrived at the point where they had to "put up or shut up" in the courtroom- they never had the goods, knew it all along. But they successfully intimidated the mobo makers for a couple of years, kept Via on the sidelines, kept the price of their own chipsets high, for that nice profit margin. We've seen this before, and we'll see it again. When you can't compete at an advantage in the marketplace, move to a different arena- the courtroom.
Just one old guy's opinion, of course.
Just one old guy's opinion, of course.
Yeah, Intel really screwed me with the sky high price of their chipsets! I mean, I had the pay $82 for my excellent Albatron PX845PEV Pro mobo!
I think you and Pariah mean different things woth the word "workstation".
I think Pariah meant workstations, as in high end computers that very well paid people sit at and use CAD programs, Pro3D programs, etc etc all day, and where tried&true > price/performance.
And given that market, workstation pretty much implies corporate, which in turn pretty much implies big brand OEM(Compaq, Dell, etc), and that in turn implies Intel/Intel.
So in the end, yes Intel is pretty much the only option for workstations(as in high end expensive boxes with expensive people and software).
Until the big OEM's start selling AMD based boxes, this won't change, maybe with Hammer it will?
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Expect another socket for the p4 line
I seriously hope you were kidding
I wouldn't be surprised if it were true tho.
Its no joke. Intel's Tejas will use a waffle style pinless Land Grid Array.
In my experience, VIA-based motherboards are not unstable, it just takes more work to get them to be stable.
You know? Maybe VIA can make a decent chipset now.. Maybe they have learned from their mistakes. BUT, *I* would spend a few dollars more for the small percentage MORE stability you get from Intel chipset mainboards.
All the VIA fanboys need to get a job in IT supporting various chipset-based PCs, then come back and comment.
>>OVERALL<< can you say with a straight face that VIA *or* SiS make a chipset that is EQUAL in quality/stability to the Intel series? Don't consider cost, as I believe ~$10.00 to be a neglible cost differential for a mainboard.
I believe the biggest reason that AMD isn't deeper into the corporate sector is because of VIA, SiS, and others, that's the main reason Dell gave AMD the heave-ho, horrible chipset support.
Granted - if you are considering cost to the penny, Intel-chipset mainboards are slightly more expensive.
But what did yer momma teach you? "You get what you pay for"
With so many components in modern PCs, I will always pay a LITTLE bit more to eliminate ANY possiblity that a non-Intel chipset manufacturer didn't do the job 100%. Who makes the CPUs anyway!?!
<sigh> WHy do I get into these discussions...
All the VIA fanboys need to get a job in IT supporting various chipset-based PCs, then come back and comment.
>>OVERALL<< can you say with a straight face that VIA *or* SiS make a chipset that is EQUAL in quality/stability to the Intel series? Don't consider cost, as I believe ~$10.00 to be a neglible cost differential for a mainboard.
I believe the biggest reason that AMD isn't deeper into the corporate sector is because of VIA, SiS, and others, that's the main reason Dell gave AMD the heave-ho, horrible chipset support.
Granted - if you are considering cost to the penny, Intel-chipset mainboards are slightly more expensive.
But what did yer momma teach you? "You get what you pay for"
With so many components in modern PCs, I will always pay a LITTLE bit more to eliminate ANY possiblity that a non-Intel chipset manufacturer didn't do the job 100%. Who makes the CPUs anyway!?!
<sigh> WHy do I get into these discussions...
Yeh, well, Intel has a history of playing the part of the 800lb. gorilla. Whenever new hardware is introduced, the manufacturer will charge more, simply to attempt to recoup their investment quickly. No point in letting a competitor horn in on the action when you can throw your weight around, intimidate the motherboard manufacturers. Like I said, it's happened before, when Intel attempted their make money out of nothing rambus scam, sued Via to slow down sales of their 133fsb chipset. Or the way mobo makers had to ship slot tbird boards out the back door, to protect their relationship with the gorilla... Intel got what they wanted, made their profit- witness licensing Sis. P4 boards were very expensive at first, simply because Intel froze everybody in their tracks, scared 'em into buying only intel chipsets... the margin at that point was very, very good...
Again, pure opinion...
Again, pure opinion...
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