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jagr10

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Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
But there will always be that invisible (glass) ceiling unless you have a degree.

Could not disagree more, I work in the IT field and the majority of people I work with don't have a college degree, they just know their SH!T backwards and forwards...they also clear 6 digits a year.

And the IT industry is very stable isn't it. Seriously though, a degree can't be taken from you. If you ever are stuck or get laid off 20 years later, that degree comes in handy. Ultimately though, experience is what most people look for. If you can get that in any way it counts alot.

 

DurocShark

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Originally posted by: jagr10
Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
But there will always be that invisible (glass) ceiling unless you have a degree.

Could not disagree more, I work in the IT field and the majority of people I work with don't have a college degree, they just know their SH!T backwards and forwards...they also clear 6 digits a year.

And the IT industry is very stable isn't it. Seriously though, a degree can't be taken from you. If you ever are stuck or get laid off 20 years later, that degree comes in handy. Ultimately though, experience is what most people look for. If you can get that in any way it counts alot.

That it does. However, the way the job market's been the past year or so, I have kicked myself in the head many times for not going to college. (Didn't really have a chance... Mom was a welfare mom, and still had younger kids when I turned 18. Welfare would have given her lots of grief if I stayed there, so I took a crap Sav-On job and moved out a week after my birthday.) Of course, when I'm making money at a decent job and doing ok, school is pretty far down the "to-do" list. Shouldn't be tho.

My mom now is the office manager for a city IT department that is owned/run by a subcontractor. She said that some of the network engineers there are looking for other jobs and having a heck of a time even with their certs. Her boss is hiring only degreed AND certified techs now! For the same $18-22hr! So, in a crappy market, paper is your way in the door. But this is a company I liked before I even tried for the job, so I'm happy. But I think I've learned my lesson...

School in the fall.

 

Hector13

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Originally posted by: Marshallj
Let's look at it this way:

Let's say you have two guys, one's a genius and one's a joe shmoe. The genius knew his talent, saw his direction in life, and never went to college. The joe shmoe knew his mediocrity, knew he had no chance without a degree and toughed it out to get a simple degree. The fact that one has the degree and the other does not, doesn't change the two individuals' capabilities. It's just a piece of paper. What you're left with is a genius, and a joe shmoe with a piece of paper.

I'll choose talent over anything else.

Obviously anyone would choose "talent over anything else". The problem is, the person making the hiring decision does not have perfect information. Usually they can not tell who is a genius and who is a joe shmoe from one interview (much less just from their resume). Given the number of applicants for popular jobs, I doubt most non-grads would even get by the first resume screen. All the person sees is one person who went to college and one person who didn't. Again, on average, the person who went to college will probably be the safer bet.