wooot.... osx86 is awesome!

[halik]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis
even if they made it work on any/all x86 hardware i see no need to bother with it

well for one it's a superior product compared to windows or linux...

that is all based on ones opinion

give me one reason why windows is superior to osx

it has an infinitly larger number of better programs that work with it
its easier to use
faster (tho just based on the speed on OSX on a Mac)

thats 3

now tell me why OSX is better then all according to you

First of all, mass adoption doesn't make windows a superior OS. I don't see how windows is easier to use than OSX .... as far as general functionality goes, they're just about the same. OSX tends to have an edge over windows as far as usability goes - drag and drop works in everything, expose is really neat once you get used to using it, software managment is drag and drop.

The main advatage is in terms of security - user/permission based filesystem and process handling and you get all the unix you'd ever need. Plus native port of an X server, so you can do x forwarding and/or run opensource apps.

most of what you just said is usefull to about 3% of the computer user population

Uhh...here's about 95% of all my computer activity:
listen to mp3s
watch divx movies
check email
talk to people on aim
download pics off my digital rebel
write crap in word
edit pics in photoshop

I'm willing to bet that's exactly what the other 99% of computer users do. OSX lets me do all of those with ease.... what was your argument again?

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis
even if they made it work on any/all x86 hardware i see no need to bother with it

well for one it's a superior product compared to windows or linux...

that is all based on ones opinion

give me one reason why windows is superior to osx

it has an infinitly larger number of better programs that work with it
its easier to use
faster (tho just based on the speed on OSX on a Mac)

thats 3

now tell me why OSX is better then all according to you

First of all, mass adoption doesn't make windows a superior OS. I don't see how windows is easier to use than OSX .... as far as general functionality goes, they're just about the same. OSX tends to have an edge over windows as far as usability goes - drag and drop works in everything, expose is really neat once you get used to using it, software managment is drag and drop.

The main advatage is in terms of security - user/permission based filesystem and process handling and you get all the unix you'd ever need. Plus native port of an X server, so you can do x forwarding and/or run opensource apps.

most of what you just said is usefull to about 3% of the computer user population

Uhh...here's about 95% of all my computer activity:
listen to mp3s
watch divx movies
check email
talk to people on aim
download pics off my digital rebel
write crap in word
edit pics in photoshop

I'm willing to bet that's exactly what the other 99% of computer users do. OSX lets me do all of those with ease.... what was your argument again?

did you miss this part of what you typed?

"The main advatage is in terms of security - user/permission based filesystem and process handling and you get all the unix you'd ever need. Plus native port of an X server, so you can do x forwarding and/or run opensource apps"

id wager that most people wouldent even understand that

and yes I do all those same things in windows with perfect ease... what was your arguement again??

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis
even if they made it work on any/all x86 hardware i see no need to bother with it

well for one it's a superior product compared to windows or linux...

that is all based on ones opinion

give me one reason why windows is superior to osx

it has an infinitly larger number of better programs that work with it
its easier to use
faster (tho just based on the speed on OSX on a Mac)

thats 3

now tell me why OSX is better then all according to you

First of all, mass adoption doesn't make windows a superior OS. I don't see how windows is easier to use than OSX .... as far as general functionality goes, they're just about the same. OSX tends to have an edge over windows as far as usability goes - drag and drop works in everything, expose is really neat once you get used to using it, software managment is drag and drop.

The main advatage is in terms of security - user/permission based filesystem and process handling and you get all the unix you'd ever need. Plus native port of an X server, so you can do x forwarding and/or run opensource apps.

most of what you just said is usefull to about 3% of the computer user population

Every user benefits from all his features except X server.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis
even if they made it work on any/all x86 hardware i see no need to bother with it

well for one it's a superior product compared to windows or linux...

that is all based on ones opinion

give me one reason why windows is superior to osx

Wrong forum for that!

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis
even if they made it work on any/all x86 hardware i see no need to bother with it

well for one it's a superior product compared to windows or linux...

that is all based on ones opinion

give me one reason why windows is superior to osx

it has an infinitly larger number of better programs that work with it
its easier to use
faster (tho just based on the speed on OSX on a Mac)

thats 3

now tell me why OSX is better then all according to you

First of all, mass adoption doesn't make windows a superior OS. I don't see how windows is easier to use than OSX .... as far as general functionality goes, they're just about the same. OSX tends to have an edge over windows as far as usability goes - drag and drop works in everything, expose is really neat once you get used to using it, software managment is drag and drop.

The main advatage is in terms of security - user/permission based filesystem and process handling and you get all the unix you'd ever need. Plus native port of an X server, so you can do x forwarding and/or run opensource apps.

most of what you just said is usefull to about 3% of the computer user population

Uhh...here's about 95% of all my computer activity:
listen to mp3s
watch divx movies
check email
talk to people on aim
download pics off my digital rebel
write crap in word
edit pics in photoshop

I'm willing to bet that's exactly what the other 99% of computer users do. OSX lets me do all of those with ease.... what was your argument again?

did you miss this part of what you typed?

"The main advatage is in terms of security - user/permission based filesystem and process handling and you get all the unix you'd ever need. Plus native port of an X server, so you can do x forwarding and/or run opensource apps"

id wager that most people wouldent even understand that

and yes I do all those same things in windows with perfect ease... what was your arguement again??

Well they don't really have to know what that means, so long it lets 'em run openoffice or firefox...right?

And everyone benefits from permission based fs, unless you in particular enjoy getting spam from zombie windows boxes.

 

[feelingshorter]

listen to mp3s
watch divx movies
check email
talk to people on aim
download pics off my digital rebel
write crap in word
edit pics in photoshop

All those listed above can be done in windows even better. I use macs at school for photo editing and i hate it. Completely. Try using trillian for a replacement AIM in windows. Word and photoshop is still better in windows as you got a right click. Hate not being able to right click in word and even the command key in mac doesnt do the job. Watching movies and listen to mp3s can be just as fun on windows. Photoshop + mac = pain in the ass. It all comes down to opinion but just because its the under dog doesnt also make it better as windows being most popular doesnt make it better either.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: feelingshorter
listen to mp3s
watch divx movies
check email
talk to people on aim
download pics off my digital rebel
write crap in word
edit pics in photoshop

All those listed above can be done in windows even better. I use macs at school for photo editing and i hate it. Completely. Try using trillian for a replacement AIM in windows. Word and photoshop is still better in windows as you got a right click. Hate not being able to right click in word and even the command key in mac doesnt do the job. Watching movies and listen to mp3s can be just as fun on windows. Photoshop + mac = pain in the ass. It all comes down to opinion but just because its the under dog doesnt also make it better as windows being most popular doesnt make it better either.

i actually use adium for AIM ... it does all the protocols out there. You get logs, themes, scripts etc.

I always thought Photoshop is the same on windows and apple - i go back and forth those two and I've never noticed any diff. I will give you the single button mouse thing ... stupid ass design considering that it's mainstream. Seeing that i run OSX on my pentium 4 machine, it's not a problem though (using mx1000).

Over OSX tends to get out of your way more than windows IMO, which is why i use it. Plus spotlight is just awesome... too bad winfs won't make it into longhorn.

 

[Darien]

Yes, because we all know we can only use a one buttom mouse on a mac. Heaven forbid the thought of plugging in a 3+ button mouse on a mac!

 

[Goosemaster]

It all comes down to opinion

YEAH, NOW PLEAS FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD I NTHE WORLD< STOP ARGUING THE INTRICACIES OF MACS VS PCS

 

[dugweb]

A new 200gig hard drive is on the way and I would love to throw OSx86 on there, but Im on an AMD

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: dugweb
A new 200gig hard drive is on the way and I would love to throw OSx86 on there, but Im on an AMD

Are you clearly stating that Intel > AMD?!?!?!

<---- pulls up a lawn chair and popcorn for another flame war

 

[dugweb]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: dugweb
A new 200gig hard drive is on the way and I would love to throw OSx86 on there, but Im on an AMD

Are you clearly stating that Intel > AMD?!?!?!

<---- pulls up a lawn chair and popcorn for another flame war

haha! hardly, ive just been wanting a mac for a while, and I would rather just buy the OS to accomplish this, rather than to buy an entire new setup

AMD pwns

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: dugweb

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: dugweb
A new 200gig hard drive is on the way and I would love to throw OSx86 on there, but Im on an AMD

Are you clearly stating that Intel > AMD?!?!?!

<---- pulls up a lawn chair and popcorn for another flame war

haha! hardly, ive just been wanting a mac for a while, and I would rather just buy the OS to accomplish this, rather than to buy an entire new setup

AMD pwns

it runs on amd too

 

[Spineshank]

In the real world

Mac - Better security
Windows - Better software support


end of arguement.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis
even if they made it work on any/all x86 hardware i see no need to bother with it

well for one it's a superior product compared to windows or linux...

that is all based on ones opinion

give me one reason why windows is superior to osx

it has an infinitly larger number of better programs that work with it
its easier to use
faster (tho just based on the speed on OSX on a Mac)

thats 3

now tell me why OSX is better then all according to you

First of all, mass adoption doesn't make windows a superior OS. I don't see how windows is easier to use than OSX .... as far as general functionality goes, they're just about the same. OSX tends to have an edge over windows as far as usability goes - drag and drop works in everything, expose is really neat once you get used to using it, software managment is drag and drop.

The main advatage is in terms of security - user/permission based filesystem and process handling and you get all the unix you'd ever need. Plus native port of an X server, so you can do x forwarding and/or run opensource apps.

most of what you just said is usefull to about 3% of the computer user population

Uhh...here's about 95% of all my computer activity:
listen to mp3s
watch divx movies
check email
talk to people on aim
download pics off my digital rebel
write crap in word
edit pics in photoshop

I'm willing to bet that's exactly what the other 99% of computer users do. OSX lets me do all of those with ease.... what was your argument again?

That's funny... You didn't list a single thing that OSX lets you do that WinXP doesn't. Nor did you validate the drastically higher price of a Mac vs a PC that can do those basic things very well.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Anubis
even if they made it work on any/all x86 hardware i see no need to bother with it

well for one it's a superior product compared to windows or linux...

that is all based on ones opinion

give me one reason why windows is superior to osx

it has an infinitly larger number of better programs that work with it
its easier to use
faster (tho just based on the speed on OSX on a Mac)

thats 3

now tell me why OSX is better then all according to you

First of all, mass adoption doesn't make windows a superior OS. I don't see how windows is easier to use than OSX .... as far as general functionality goes, they're just about the same. OSX tends to have an edge over windows as far as usability goes - drag and drop works in everything, expose is really neat once you get used to using it, software managment is drag and drop.

The main advatage is in terms of security - user/permission based filesystem and process handling and you get all the unix you'd ever need. Plus native port of an X server, so you can do x forwarding and/or run opensource apps.

most of what you just said is usefull to about 3% of the computer user population

Uhh...here's about 95% of all my computer activity:
listen to mp3s
watch divx movies
check email
talk to people on aim
download pics off my digital rebel
write crap in word
edit pics in photoshop

I'm willing to bet that's exactly what the other 99% of computer users do. OSX lets me do all of those with ease.... what was your argument again?

That's funny... You didn't list a single thing that OSX lets you do that WinXP doesn't. Nor did you validate the drastically higher price of a Mac vs a PC that can do those basic things very well.

You are right, it does the exact same thing, except it's nicer to work with.

<-- Windows network admin, loving goes home to this

 

[mercanucaribe]

The Macs they have in some campus computer labs sure aren't nice to work with. Dumbed down, yes.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
The Macs they have in some campus computer labs sure aren't nice to work with. Dumbed down, yes.

It only seems dumb to dumb people.

 

[Rogue]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
In the real world

Mac - Better security
Windows - Better software support


end of arguement.

That's funny. Let me revise that for you:

In the real world

Mac - no one cares enough to hack it, so it's really security through obscurity. Give it time and let it become more popular and it will prove to be less secure than Windows for most users. I guarandamntee that statement.

Windows - has about a two year head start on truly securing the OS. Vista will improve upon it further. Securing an OS is like trying to eliminate every single possible way that a car's engine could fail, including user errors. It's very, very difficult.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
In the real world

Mac - Better security
Windows - Better software support


end of arguement.

That's funny. Let me revise that for you:

In the real world

Mac - no one cares enough to hack it, so it's really security through obscurity. Give it time and let it become more popular and it will prove to be less secure than Windows for most users. I guarandamntee that statement.
.

i agree with you as well, actually evenm if it never gets as popular as windows the fact that they are porting it to x86, people will start writing virii and malware

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
In the real world

Mac - Better security
Windows - Better software support


end of arguement.

That's funny. Let me revise that for you:

In the real world

Mac - no one cares enough to hack it, so it's really security through obscurity. Give it time and let it become more popular and it will prove to be less secure than Windows for most users. I guarandamntee that statement.

Windows - has about a two year head start on truly securing the OS. Vista will improve upon it further. Securing an OS is like trying to eliminate every single possible way that a car's engine could fail, including user errors. It's very, very difficult.

Security thru obscurity my ass,
OSX is built upon BSD derivative, which has the best security record thus far. Ms has been trying to ghetto patch their product for the past two years because they haven't designed XP as at true multiuser system. If you run all your daemons in the root/admin user space, as soon as someone overflows the stack, you're done. That's why the RPC worm killed off 95% of machines out there...it was a design flaw more than anything else.

If you actually knew something about computer security, you could make some valid arguments against OSX...

 

[acemcmac]

I like the quartz rendering system in the Mac OS. PDF's render so horribly slow on windows because you have to wait for Acrobat to load... Apple found a way to beat that by integrating vector graphics handling into the OS... it's pretty neat. Outside of that, there's a reason I bailed on Mac OS 10.2.4 in favor of XP. Priceerformance ratio on the hardware. Macs are very inconducive to hardware tinkering and modding. PC's are as upgradable and moddable as you can imagine.

I look forward to tinkering with OSX again on the PC, but not before other more important projects

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
In the real world

Mac - Better security
Windows - Better software support


end of arguement.

That's funny. Let me revise that for you:

In the real world

Mac - no one cares enough to hack it, so it's really security through obscurity. Give it time and let it become more popular and it will prove to be less secure than Windows for most users. I guarandamntee that statement.

Windows - has about a two year head start on truly securing the OS. Vista will improve upon it further. Securing an OS is like trying to eliminate every single possible way that a car's engine could fail, including user errors. It's very, very difficult.

Security thru obscurity my ass,
OSX is built upon BSD derivative, which has the best security record thus far. Ms has been trying to ghetto patch their product for the past two years because they haven't designed XP as at true multiuser system. If you run all your daemons in the root/admin user space, as soon as someone overflows the stack, you're done. That's why the RPC worm killed off 95% of machines out there...it was a design flaw more than anything else.

If you actually knew something about computer security, you could make some valid arguments against OSX...

lol, it clear you have no idea what the hell your talking about, all processes running in user mode run in their own space on XP, the reason why the worm hurt everyone so badly is because the process that it used was running as root, there have been dozens of these kinds of attacks on the unix platform including BSD with the first one popp[ing into mine is the attack on finger, same exact sh!t.

until you understand what stack overflows are and how they are exploited to take over one's system, please for the love of god, STFU no0b

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: dugweb
A new 200gig hard drive is on the way and I would love to throw OSx86 on there, but Im on an AMD

Are you clearly stating that Intel > AMD?!?!?!

<---- pulls up a lawn chair and popcorn for another flame war

Yes and I think he's clearly stating that ATI > Nvidia, Clinton > Bush, and C64 > Apple IIe.

Heck, if we're having a flame war, let's do all of them.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
In the real world

Mac - Better security
Windows - Better software support


end of arguement.

That's funny. Let me revise that for you:

In the real world

Mac - no one cares enough to hack it, so it's really security through obscurity. Give it time and let it become more popular and it will prove to be less secure than Windows for most users. I guarandamntee that statement.

Windows - has about a two year head start on truly securing the OS. Vista will improve upon it further. Securing an OS is like trying to eliminate every single possible way that a car's engine could fail, including user errors. It's very, very difficult.

Security thru obscurity my ass,
OSX is built upon BSD derivative, which has the best security record thus far. Ms has been trying to ghetto patch their product for the past two years because they haven't designed XP as at true multiuser system. If you run all your daemons in the root/admin user space, as soon as someone overflows the stack, you're done. That's why the RPC worm killed off 95% of machines out there...it was a design flaw more than anything else.

If you actually knew something about computer security, you could make some valid arguments against OSX...

lol, it clear you have no idea what the hell your talking about, all processes running in user mode run in their own space on XP, the reason why the worm hurt everyone so badly is because the process that it used was running as root, there have been dozens of these kinds of attacks on the unix platform including BSD with the first one popp[ing into mine is the attack on finger, same exact sh!t.

until you understand what stack overflows are and how they are exploited to take over one's system, please for the love of god, STFU no0b

Do ctrl-alt-del and tell me how many users to do you see running processes on your box. If you overflow a stack in something that runs in the admin user space, youll have access to the whole file system.

Unless you're an incompetent Unix SA, all your remotely accessible deamons will run in their own userspace, rather than root. Thats something that windows doesn't have going for it.

The exploits you were talking about were SA errors... if you set tcp//udp listeners to run as root, you're asking for trouble.
the stuff you described