Woodrow Wilson... The most racist president ever?

[syrillus]

Originally posted by: Perknose
I know you think you've eloquently rebutted my post, but you haven't even touched it. You're probably just not bright enough to understand that, and you're definitely not the deep thinking social historian that you think you are.

I'd argue point by point with you, but you're the kitchen table that Barney Frank was referring to.

Sorry.

Translation: I'm like, on another level, man. You don't like, even get what I'm talking about, because I'm sooo deep!

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: waggy
what about the founding fathers. they had the chance to end the practice (wich some found disgusting) and make all men really equal but didnt.

It wasn't that the didn't it is that they couldn't.

The south would have never joined the country if they didn't get to keep slavery intact so the founding fathers did what they thought was best.

Many of them fully expected that slavery would eventually go away, as it did.

PJ, I'm making an arrangement with a guy, and he won't agree to the deal I want unless I let him have you as a slave, so I had to agree, because I think my getting what I want is best. But you should not be upset with me, because I sort of think it's wrong for you to be his slave. But I fully expect that your great-grandson or so will not be enslaved, so it's all good. You're welcome. (Edit: As if all the non-southerners opposed slavery. Wrong. Indeed, PJ, your sister will be my slave, for 'recreation', like Jefferson's Sally Hemmings.)

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: waggy
what about the founding fathers. they had the chance to end the practice (wich some found disgusting) and make all men really equal but didnt.

It wasn't that the didn't it is that they couldn't.

The south would have never joined the country if they didn't get to keep slavery intact so the founding fathers did what they thought was best.

Many of them fully expected that slavery would eventually go away, as it did.

PJ, I'm making an arrangement with a guy, and he won't agree to the deal I want unless I let him have you as a slave, so I had to agree, because I think my getting what I want is the best thing. But you should not be upset with me, because I sort of think it's wrong for you to be his slave. But I fully expect that your great-grandson or so will not be enslaved, so it's all good. You're welcome.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: syrillus
I'm like, on another level, man. You don't like, even get what I'm talking about, because I'm sooo deep!

Do0oo00ood! You, too? :laugh:

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: waggy
what about the founding fathers. they had the chance to end the practice (wich some found disgusting) and make all men really equal but didnt.

It wasn't that the didn't it is that they couldn't.

The south would have never joined the country if they didn't get to keep slavery intact so the founding fathers did what they thought was best.

Many of them fully expected that slavery would eventually go away, as it did.

PJ, I'm making an arrangement with a guy, and he won't agree to the deal I want unless I let him have you as a slave, so I had to agree, because I think my getting what I want is the best thing. But you should not be upset with me, because I sort of think it's wrong for you to be his slave. But I fully expect that your great-grandson or so will not be enslaved, so it's all good. You're welcome.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Also found this little tidbit

In 1654, John Casor, a black man, became the first legally recognized slave in the present United States. A court in Northampton County ruled against Casor, declaring him property for life, "owned" by the black colonist Anthony Johnson.

So the 1st legally recognized slave was owned by a black man. Sounds racist to me.

I wonder if Johnson went up to Casor after the ruling and said "OWNED!"

 

[marincounty]

In recent times, I believe Richard Nixon was our most racist president.

Text

"You know what happened to the Greeks? Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo, we all know that, so was Socrates. [...] Do you know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. [...] You know what happened to the popes? It's all right that popes were laying the nuns. That's been going on for yearsâ??centuries."
â??Nixon in May 1971

We're going to [put] more of these little Negro bastards on the welfare rolls at $2,400 a familyâ??let people like [New York Sen.] Pat Moynihan ... believe in all that crap. But I donâ??t believe in it. Work, workâ??throw 'em off the rolls. That's the key ... I have the greatest affection for [blacks], but I know they're not going to make it for 500 years. They aren't. You know it, too. The Mexicans are a different cup of tea. They have a heritage. At the present time they steal, they're dishonest, but they do have some concept of family life. They don't live like a bunch of dogs, which the Negroes do live like."
â??Nixon in May 1971

You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists."
â??Nixon to H. R. (Bob) Haldeman in May 1971

You're so goddamned concerned about the civilians, and I don't give a dâ??n. I don't care."
â??Nixon to Kissinger in 1972, admonishing his aide about concerns over killing Vietnamese civilians
Text

On Jan. 22, 1973, when the Supreme Court struck down laws criminalizing abortion in Roe v. Wade... Nixon made no public statement. But the next day, newly released tapes reveal, he privately expressed ambivalence.
Nixon worried that greater access to abortions would foster "permissiveness," and said that "it breaks the family." But he also saw a need for abortion in some cases - like interracial pregnancies, he said.

"There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white," he told an aide, before adding, "Or a rape."

 

[BarrySotero]

Well if you include Nixon you can sure include Johnson who called MLK "that ni**er preacher" and also said the civil rights bill was about votes. According to Robert MacMillan, steward on Air Force 1 , Johnson also said "I'll have them ni**ers voting Democratic for 200 years". That was during a discussion of the civil rights act. MacMillan said "That was the reason he was pushing the bill. Not because he wanted equality for everyone. It was strictly a political ploy for the Democratic party. He was a phony from the word go"


http://books.google.com/books?...ent+johnson%22+voting+*****&source=bl&ots=KbqOgkc_oF&sig=EpWv7ql3N2p79tbZAyfiIw3YWyw&hl=en&ei=AP-WSo2hEs_UlAf_kpSTDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=%22president%20johnson%22%20voting%20niggers&f=false

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I would imagine that the most racist president would likely be one of the presidents that owned slaves.

for a large portion of time slavery was not associated with a color and did not infer racism but rather classism.

We're talking about the US in this thread, stupi. Slavery in the US was exactly, explicitly and exclusively based on color.

And slavery elsewhere was not classism iether, but rather tribalism/clannism/proto-nationalism.

Slavery was never classism. :roll:

The institution of indentured servants, however, was.

Many "white" Americans got their start in this country as indentured servants. And, no, indentured servants were never slaves -- big difference.

Your post is complete and utter drivel.

Don't let your hate blind you or else you post with stupidity such as here.

Slavery has existed since before man was able to document history. And not only has class played a heavy role on it's function, but in what can only be referred to as YAPDM, you validate that point in your description of it. Over thousands of years up to and including today slavery has been practiced. Throughout the ancient periods, through the middle ages, and in some areas entering the modern era, class could be described as the driving force behind it. But don't let that stop you from using your Olbermann method of statistic as slavery in the US existed for just a shade over 50 years. So by default the events within that period of course are the defacto standard when discussing it.

Just ignore that most of history saw people taken as slaves because they were of another tribe, non citizens of a nation, members of a different political or religious affiliation, unable to satisfy economic demands and the like. Wait, where did I mention color of those enslaved? Oh that's right, throughout most of practice skin tone played no role. In fact until around the late medieval period it still had no discernable mention in the process. It wasn't until society had developed to the point that the different groupings of people (oh, is that yet another reference to class, could be) agreed to not enslave another if they themselves would also not be treated as such that then you can begin to discuss the color of those utilized as a factor. 

But not for the "traditional" reasons that the standard idiot gallery will babble about it, but rather as it became a matter of economics since the European traders (another shocker here for those ole "the bad US" haters like yourself as the US had a miniscule part in the collection and transportation part of the industry) went to where they had available stock. And even now as we finally near the portion of time where matters of color come to the forefront, it still has a heavy does of class and economics. Why so, well because you had people of similar color, yet different nations or tribes, willing to sell those members outside of their class into slavery, and those European traders were buying. So yes, if you want to dwell in your hatred and bigotry and continue to live in what is less than an eye blink in totality of the subject, then I could see how you would be misguided on it.

I know you think you've eloquently rebutted my post, but you haven't even touched it. You're probably just not bright enough to understand that, and you're definitely not the deep thinking social historian that you think you are.

I'd argue point by point with you, but you're the kitchen table that Barney Frank was referring to.

Sorry.

Ah, the several people have pointed out how wrong I was and it's time to tuck the tail and run post.

At least your defense is a comparison to Barney Frank. We could only hope that continues if for nothing else than the lulz.

 

[lupi]

oh look, as if we needed any more what do i see on my desktop once I got home other than this piece......


BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star condemned widespread discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies ? and the cheers gave way to jeers.

The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.

Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than any other people group on the continent.

Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies.

"There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. They have historically been the underdog," Radu Motoc, an official with the Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.

Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of jobs and better living conditions.

Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000.

Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as part of the region's cultural heritage.

 

[Lemon law]

As the someone who recently lionized Woodrow Wilson as the originator of the League of nations idea, on a another thread, I somewhat should have expected someone would point at the ole Wilson had feet of clay on racism. After all, Diagones has been searching for that totally honest man or woman for better than 3K years and has yet to find one yet.

But when we talk about Wilson and Princeton University, we really have to flavor in all that past post civil war history. And Woodrow Wilson, growing up as a son of the solid south, just followed family tradition. Because of all the gin joint IVY league schools, Princeton was traditionally the choice University where racist southerners sent their sons to get that final polish before they came back south to practice the fineness traditions of Jim Crow.

But Wilson somewhat broke that mold, when he demonstrated some talent as as a University administrator. And he forgot to come back south to home.

The point being, I can live with the fact that Wilson was a racist, had those feet of clay, but was still a visionary in other areas.

As for Princeton University, its traditions have changed a wee mite since then.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: dali71
Being part Cherokee, I'm going to have to say Andrew Jackson.

Oh . Lord . YOU are kidding right. He was racist but he also treated his slaves well.

Slavery isn't what you all seem to think . It didn't start with europeans slaveries raiding the Ivory coast in the work of dealing flesh . Blacks were late to the slave game as far as being at the lashed end of the Whip . But they new the Handle end befor whites did. Whites were the slaves when blacks were the masters, See how they cry . Look at the N . American indians. Smart money says there runaway slaves from central America Master indians. Look At the west how the Whites spread out away from the Middle east center . into europe. The whites were the Slaves running west. Both The N american indian and the White man ran to colder climates that were distastefull to there keepers.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: dali71
Being part Cherokee, I'm going to have to say Andrew Jackson.

Oh . Lord . YOU are kidding right. He was racist but he also treated his slaves well.

Slavery isn't what you all seem to think . It didn't start with europeans slaveries raiding the Ivory coast in the work of dealing flesh . Blacks were late to the slave game as far as being at the lashed end of the Whip . But they new the Handle end befor whites did. Whites were the slaves when blacks were the masters, See how they cry . Look at the N . American indians. Smart money says there runaway slaves from central America Master indians. Look At the west how the Whites spread out away from the Middle east center . into europe. The whites were the Slaves running west. Both The N american indian and the White man ran to colder climates that were distastefull to there keepers.

/facepalm

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: marincounty
In recent times, I believe Richard Nixon was our most racist president.

Text

"You know what happened to the Greeks? Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo, we all know that, so was Socrates. [...] Do you know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. [...] You know what happened to the popes? It's all right that popes were laying the nuns. That's been going on for yearsâ??centuries."
â??Nixon in May 1971

We're going to [put] more of these little Negro bastards on the welfare rolls at $2,400 a familyâ??let people like [New York Sen.] Pat Moynihan ... believe in all that crap. But I donâ??t believe in it. Work, workâ??throw 'em off the rolls. That's the key ... I have the greatest affection for [blacks], but I know they're not going to make it for 500 years. They aren't. You know it, too. The Mexicans are a different cup of tea. They have a heritage. At the present time they steal, they're dishonest, but they do have some concept of family life. They don't live like a bunch of dogs, which the Negroes do live like."
â??Nixon in May 1971

You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists."
â??Nixon to H. R. (Bob) Haldeman in May 1971

You're so goddamned concerned about the civilians, and I don't give a dâ??n. I don't care."
â??Nixon to Kissinger in 1972, admonishing his aide about concerns over killing Vietnamese civilians
Text

On Jan. 22, 1973, when the Supreme Court struck down laws criminalizing abortion in Roe v. Wade... Nixon made no public statement. But the next day, newly released tapes reveal, he privately expressed ambivalence.
Nixon worried that greater access to abortions would foster "permissiveness," and said that "it breaks the family." But he also saw a need for abortion in some cases - like interracial pregnancies, he said.

"There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white," he told an aide, before adding, "Or a rape."

Heh. Yea, though I wouldn't be surprised if we have had presidents who were more racist.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Well if you include Nixon you can sure include Johnson who called MLK "that ni**er preacher" and also said the civil rights bill was about votes. According to Robert MacMillan, steward on Air Force 1 , Johnson also said "I'll have them ni**ers voting Democratic for 200 years". That was during a discussion of the civil rights act. MacMillan said "That was the reason he was pushing the bill. Not because he wanted equality for everyone. It was strictly a political ploy for the Democratic party. He was a phony from the word go"


http://books.google.com/books?...ent+johnson%22+voting+*****&source=bl&ots=KbqOgkc_oF&sig=EpWv7ql3N2p79tbZAyfiIw3YWyw&hl=en&ei=AP-WSo2hEs_UlAf_kpSTDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=%22president%20johnson%22%20voting%20niggers&f=false

What do you expect - johnson was from texas.

Sometimes, good things happen in spite of questionable intentions.

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