Wondering who to support for president? Maybe its time to revisit a little history.

[Craig234]

You did a great job proving your point.

No, he didn't. That's a bad post for you. Why don't you show how Obama didn't inherit two wars, didn't inherit an economic crash, and so on if you claim it?

He makes a good point about voters not remembering who caused what, which is why Republicans are rewarded for keeping things bad now.

While Obama has been too much like Bush on some policies, your post is wrong.

 

[Greenman]

I'm not convinced. Obama has had three years to end the wars, three years to close gitmo, three years to improve the economy. Trillions have been spent, nothing is improved. At some point, Obama has to own it all. At some point, we have to say that he was ineffective, at some point, we have to decide that enough is enough.
The Obama Presidency has achieved nothing in three years using more money than anyone in the history of ever. It's time to say goodbye.

 

[Craig234]

I'm not convinced. Obama has had three years to end the wars, three years to close gitmo, three years to improve the economy. Trillions have been spent, nothing is improved. At some point, Obama has to own it all. At some point, we have to say that he was ineffective, at some point, we have to decide that enough is enough.
The Obama Presidency has achieved nothing in three years using more money than anyone in the history of ever. It's time to say goodbye.

Obama owns what he has done and not done in Iraq and Afghanistan, owns the Bush policies he has continued, owns not closing Gitmo, owns his policies on the economy.

So, what do you suggest - a return to the party who serves the wealthy against the American people, who gave all those things in the first place, who has obstructed?

 

[disappoint]

You right and the worse thing that came out of this is when the Repubs pushed through a bill to repeal the Glass-Steigall act which was a MAJOR reason why the financial meltdown occurred. Clinton was to stupid to realize what a HUGE mistake this was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act

President Obama is dangerously close to GWB 2.0 in my book.

So you've realized they share the same marionette strings, but you didn't think Clinton did? Hmm that's odd.

 

[werepossum]

you did a great job proving your point.

lol +1

I'm not convinced. Obama has had three years to end the wars, three years to close gitmo, three years to improve the economy. Trillions have been spent, nothing is improved. At some point, Obama has to own it all. At some point, we have to say that he was ineffective, at some point, we have to decide that enough is enough.
The Obama Presidency has achieved nothing in three years using more money than anyone in the history of ever. It's time to say goodbye.

I don't fundamentally disagree that Obama has been a failure for the progressives and for the country as a whole. Hillary or McCain might well have accomplished more. I think though that most people overestimate the power of a President and underestimate the real world consequences. Yes, Obama could have ended the wars - by losing them. That's not a trivial thing, no matter how one feels about the advisability of starting them. (And honestly, anyone who believes Afghanistan wasn't worth fighting doesn't deserve a President in his own image.) Yes, Obama could have closed Gitmo - but not without releasing terrorists or exposing domestic prisoners to them, and by doing so he would have to concede that these are not POWs but rather criminals, meaning they would have to be tried in criminal court. (And most, being taken outside of our jurisdiction, would go free.) Yes, Obama could have improved the economy - but how, exactly? Along with Bush and Congress, Obama stopped the worst of the bleeding. Beyond that, how can he improve the economy? The only way that I can see would be to openly disclose all the regulatory actions he will take over a second term; if businesses believe him, that would take away some of the uncertainty. The overall benefit might be small though; uncertainty over taxes, health care, and regulatory constraints and penalties will certainly stop a company from hiring and/or expanding, but taking away that uncertainty doesn't necessarily mean hiring and expansion. Those companies still need to see a business model that will reward the extra investment, and in this economy that is probably going to be incremental at best.

I almost certainly won't be voting for Obama, nor did I last time. I just think people need to be realistic about what he accomplished (much of it against my will) and what a President can do. I don't think things would be hugely different today under a President McCain or a President H. R. Clinton. We've collectively dug ourselves a very deep hole, and while the right man or woman can make a difference in leading us out of that hole, there is no Superman to pull us out with his Krypton strength and flying ability. Those who can't see his constraints are no different from those who merely blame the Republicans. There are no easy answers here.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The funny thing is how many righties say, 'ya, ya!' to that as an attack, as if they're enemies of George Bush, forgetting how hard they attacked liberals against Bush.

Bush was in power largely because he had something like 93% Republican support, IIRC. Of course, every Republican you talk to day was one of the 7%.

Another false statement from you . I voted for him twice . That is why I no longer vote. We don't have a real choice . Just 2 the ones that the man behind curtain selects . He doesn't care which of his choices win as they both work for him /her.

 

[Ausm]

So you've realized they share the same marionette strings, but you didn't think Clinton did? Hmm that's odd.

Never claimed or insinuated Clinton was not a Dino.

 

[Ausm]

dangerously close???? Lol, hate to tell ya but he crossed that line a while back.

I am desperately trying not to to lose faith in this President even though the Repugs are doing their damnedest to obstruct anything that would remotely give him a "win" .

 

[Nemesis 1]

No, he didn't. That's a bad post for you. Why don't you show how Obama didn't inherit two wars, didn't inherit an economic crash, and so on if you claim it?

He makes a good point about voters not remembering who caused what, which is why Republicans are rewarded for keeping things bad now.

While Obama has been too much like Bush on some policies, your post is wrong.

The wars . THe people and congress wanted at the time . Prove that Bill clinton wasn't the one who passed the bill that allowed want to bees to be Bees . and be queeen for aday in there nice new $300000 home on a $50,000 a year income . I dare ya prove it wasn't Billy boy .